NPP frequency and pin method

[Mikeltee2]

I just added NPP to my TRT+ stack. Currently pin Test-E 100mg eod for a total of 200mg a week. Bloods look great, so I just added 80mg NPP which I intend to just add to my 200mg Test-E. I pin 1.5" to the glutes and alternate sides Sunday and Wednesday. Should I be doing NPP M-W-F? I don't want to hit my glutes 4 times a week, so I have read people use slin pins for NPP. Where would I pin this, what gauge, and what length? Im about 14%bf currently and not much fat on my quads. Its primarily on my belly. I could manage EOD if I can get a slin pin method down if that is also recommended.

 

[Nood]

MWF is fine for NPP

 

[Ckmeter]

Every day, especially if it's in MCT oil. Half life is like 2 days. If I go less frequent, I break out and have side effects. Some guys can get away with eod or MWF. I use 1" 25g for all my oil pins. Injection sites I use: Side delts, front delts, rear delts, quads, glutes, biceps, triceps, and lats.

I really recommend against using slin pins for oil. Get the oil deep to have more consistent absorption and less visible scar tissue. This is coming from someone who pinned delts with insulin pins for the first two years I was on gear.

 

[Cypher]

Every day, especially if it's in MCT oil. Half life is like 2 days. If I go less frequent, I break out and have side effects. Some guys can get away with eod or MWF. I use 1" 25g for all my oil pins. Injection sites I use: Side delts, front delts, rear delts, quads, glutes, biceps, triceps, and lats.

I really recommend against using slin pins for oil. Get the oil deep to have more consistent absorption and less visible scar tissue. This is coming from someone who pinned delts with insulin pins for the first two years I was on gear.

Are you more into something like a 25" 5/8, or a 1"?

 

[Mikeltee2]

I dont know if I was having a good day, or it was placebo, but I felt unstoppable after that 40mg NPP yesterday so I am onboard with hugher frequency. Maybe Deca is more my style. I have a bottle of it too. I did NPP first to see if I have sides. Ill switch it up to MWF for a month and then transition assuming all is well and bloods look good.

 

[Vision]

MWF is fine for NPP

This is what I used, every time, same with cyp. When I was ON.

 

[Ckmeter]

Are you more into something like a 25" 5/8, or a 1"?

Not sure what you mean by this. I pin all my
Gear in all the injection sites I mentioned with a 1” 25g that I bury as deep as I can.

 

[Mikeltee2]

I landed on SWF so its only one additional pin. 2 pins in and there is no noticeable PIP or sides, although I dont know how long it takes to show sides. I plan to grab a few more bottles from Dutch. That sucks that its only 100mg and deca is 200mg for $5 more, but for this first run, I am going to stick with NPP. Im looking forward to the bloods in 8 weeks. Ill probably switch to deca though for more even levels if I choose to keep it in my stack. Experimentation is exciting!

 

[WED]

Daily. 27g 1" most places. 25 5/8 in my lats. Sometimes shoulders, but if I don't go deep into my shoulder some leaks out

 

[dcdogz]

Daily. 27g 1" most places. 25 5/8 in my lats. Sometimes shoulders, but if I don't go deep into my shoulder some leaks out

Link to your 27 1g please

 

[WED]

Link to your 27 1g please

https://a.co/d/08SxXbtl

 

[Wally954]

I landed on SWF so its only one additional pin. 2 pins in and there is no noticeable PIP or sides, although I dont know how long it takes to show sides. I plan to grab a few more bottles from Dutch. That sucks that its only 100mg and deca is 200mg for $5 more, but for this first run, I am going to stick with NPP. Im looking forward to the bloods in 8 weeks. Ill probably switch to deca though for more even levels if I choose to keep it in my stack. Experimentation is exciting!

Npp is far superior to deca, less bloat, less sides,no real after effects when u come off compared to feeling like shit for months when dropping deca, I also don’t get deca dick from npp.also 3 times a week is all u need.
Most of your gains will be seen in the first four weeks too, deca barely even start to work at 4 weeks.You will be impressed by how quick it comes on.

 

[Vee]

I landed on SWF so its only one additional pin. 2 pins in and there is no noticeable PIP or sides, although I dont know how long it takes to show sides. I plan to grab a few more bottles from Dutch. That sucks that its only 100mg and deca is 200mg for $5 more, but for this first run, I am going to stick with NPP. Im looking forward to the bloods in 8 weeks. Ill probably switch to deca though for more even levels if I choose to keep it in my stack. Experimentation is exciting!

I found that Deca and NPP might have the same name, but the ester length totally changes the dynamic of the compound. They are totally different animals to me.

Also, don’t underestimate the power of 100mg/ml NPP vs 200mg/ml Deca… mg for mg, they’re not the same animal for everyone. (For me, NPP is very Tren-like)

 

[dcdogz]

I pin npp everyday.
Absolutely love it 300 weekly atm

 

[Mikeltee2]

Npp is far superior to deca, less bloat, less sides,no real after effects when u come off compared to feeling like shit for months when dropping deca, I also don’t get deca dick from npp.also 3 times a week is all u need.
Most of your gains will be seen in the first four weeks too, deca barely even start to work at 4 weeks.You will be impressed by how quick it comes on.

Thanks for this. I did not find this information in my research. I will stick with NPP. I am only using 100mg total per week. I added it for its therapeutic properties to aid in recovery and prevent joint pain. I am substituting 100mg test-e for it. Will I see gains with such a small dose? I planned on staying on this stack forever assuming bloods look good. Is this a bad decision? Should it be cycled? Once I am at 12%bf, I plan to increase my stack as much as my bloodwork snd heartrate will allow me to.

 

[dcdogz]

I found that Deca and NPP might have the same name, but the ester length totally changes the dynamic of the compound. They are totally different animals to me.

Also, don’t underestimate the power of 100mg/ml NPP vs 200mg/ml Deca… mg for mg, they’re not the same animal for everyone. (For me, NPP is very Tren-like)

Yes you don't need much!

 

[Mikeltee2]

I found that Deca and NPP might have the same name, but the ester length totally changes the dynamic of the compound. They are totally different animals to me.

Also, don’t underestimate the power of 100mg/ml NPP vs 200mg/ml Deca… mg for mg, they’re not the same animal for everyone. (For me, NPP is very Tren-like)

How many mg do you run and do you cycle it or cruise with it? Ive had a little extra spring in my step this week, but I chalked it up as placebo effect.

 

[Wally954]

Thanks for this. I did not find this information in my research. I will stick with NPP. I am only using 100mg total per week. I added it for its therapeutic properties to aid in recovery and prevent joint pain. I am substituting 100mg test-e for it. Will I see gains with such a small dose? I planned on staying on this stack forever assuming bloods look good. Is this a bad decision? Should it be cycled? Once I am at 12%bf, I plan to increase my stack as much as my bloodwork snd heartrate will allow me to.

I would do 150-200 test and 100mg npp for trt plus but I probably wouldn’t stay on npp forever just because of possible cardiovascular issues but u could cycle every so often, but I would do 300 mg test and 200-300 mg npp to do a baby blast for 3-4 months depending on how u feel. Some people like higher test to npp ratio, me personally, I feel the best on 1 to 1 ratio for cleaner gains and less side effects overall , it’s seems like too much test amplifies the nandralone sides for me.Everyone reacts differently so you just have to see what works with your body chemistry. Also npp turns me into an uncontrollable sex addict who doesn’t give a shit about nothing but working out and sex.

 

[WED]

I would do 150-200 test and 100mg npp for trt plus but I probably wouldn’t stay on npp forever just because of possible cardiovascular issues but u could cycle every so often, but I would do 300 mg test and 200-300 mg npp to do a baby blast for 3-4 months depending on how u feel. Some people like higher test to npp ratio, me personally, I feel the best on 1 to 1 ratio for cleaner gains and less side effects overall , it’s seems like too much test amplifies the nandralone sides for me.Everyone reacts differently so you just have to see what works with your body chemistry. Also npp turns me into an uncontrollable sex addict who doesn’t give a shit about nothing but working out and sex.

When I come off cycle in 6 weeks I was going to do NPP or mast (or both) with my TRT+. I usually run 130-150 prescribed by my doctor and was thinking of doing 100-150 of mast and maybe 100 of NPP too. Still debating

 

[Wally954]

When I come off cycle in 6 weeks I was going to do NPP or mast (or both) with my TRT+. I usually run 130-150 prescribed by my doctor and was thinking of doing 100-150 of mast and maybe 100 of NPP too. Still debating

All 3 would be nice , but if I was going to use all three, I would just go in proper for a few months and run 300 of each.i haven’t cruised with npp but I have with masteron and its great to cruise with on lower doses . It takes the fluffiness out of the test In the right areas. I’m sure the NPP would have an effect, but I’ve never used it at less than two or 300 mg a week and at these dosages it reminds me of a puffy version of tren without all the negative sides

 

[GhostReaper]

Thanks for this. I did not find this information in my research. I will stick with NPP. I am only using 100mg total per week. I added it for its therapeutic properties to aid in recovery and prevent joint pain. I am substituting 100mg test-e for it. Will I see gains with such a small dose? I planned on staying on this stack forever assuming bloods look good. Is this a bad decision? Should it be cycled? Once I am at 12%bf, I plan to increase my stack as much as my bloodwork snd heartrate will allow me to.

I've been using Deca for decades..never one problem..Most of my older friends..the same..
No Deca dick issues, depression or any other problems that are often mentioned..
Infact was my favorite compound after Test,of course..
This is what I've seen over the years..guys shy away from one of the best compounds out there primarily because of other guys issues with Deca..
Which is kinda funny..because there's 1000 threads about Tren..and it's Horrible sides,100x worse than Deca..Yet the Hype, I guess is why guys jump on Tren..
Just because of opinions and issues from guys, people skip it..
Everyone is different..many respond differently to compounds..that being said..
I always say, what works for one guy..might not for another..but to never try due mainly from other's experiences..I don't understand..
And Deca is probably the #1 compound this happens too..
Sorry, I believe..especially with Deca. One should give it a chance..Try it and see how you respond..
You will never know until you run it..
Deca dick probably is the #1 reason most don't try it..and a good deal of the time it's not the Deca causing ED..

I love both Deca and NPP..
Deca is one of those..Love it or Hate it..
Skipping Deca because of other guys issues, when it might become one of your favorites..I think happens a lot..

Deca is one of the best for Mass..Dan used to say..if you can't grow on Test/Deca/Dbol you must be dead..!!

As for the frequency of NPP...every 3 days works best for me..

Lastly, yrs ago..I had an injury during a Deca cycle..so I decided to take a week off..ended up being 2 weeks..I was expecting a drop in strength..
I was amazed..I had strength and benched more than before the break..
Two factors I believe..a little over training, body needed the rest..
AND..
The Deca..

There are probably more guys on this Forum using Deca than those that don't..

Z

 

[Wally954]

I've been using Deca for decades..never one problem..Most of my older friends..the same..
No Deca dick issues, depression or any other problems that are often mentioned..
Infact was my favorite compound after Test,of course..
This is what I've seen over the years..guys shy away from one of the best compounds out there primarily because of other guys issues with Deca..
Which is kinda funny..because there's 1000 threads about Tren..and it's Horrible sides,100x worse than Deca..Yet the Hype, I guess is why guys jump on Tren..
Just because of opinions and issues from guys, people skip it..
Everyone is different..many respond differently to compounds..that being said..
I always say, what works for one guy..might not for another..but to never try due mainly from other's experiences..I don't understand..
And Deca is probably the #1 compound this happens too..
Sorry, I believe..especially with Deca. One should give it a chance..Try it and see how you respond..
You will never know until you run it..
Deca dick probably is the #1 reason most don't try it..and a good deal of the time it's not the Deca causing ED..

I love both Deca and NPP..
Deca is one of those..Love it or Hate it..
Skipping Deca because of other guys issues, when it might become one of your favorites..I think happens a lot..

Deca is one of the best for Mass..Dan used to say..if you can't grow on Test/Deca/Dbol you must be dead..!!

As for the frequency of NPP...every 3 days works best for me..

Lastly, yrs ago..I had an injury during a Deca cycle..so I decided to take a week off..ended up being 2 weeks..I was expecting a drop in strength..
I was amazed..I had strength and benched more than before the break..
Two factors I believe..a little over training, body needed the rest..
AND..
The Deca..

There are probably more guys on this Forum using Deca than those that don't..

Z

Don’t get me wrong. Deca is awesome but when I come off of it, I’m not the same for at least three months. It takes too long to clear the system and the side effects Hang around long after you stop using it. I guess if you run it nonstop you won’t have the same issues. also, if you do run into issues with Deca, you have to wait a long time for them to resolve versus with npp it is in and out of you really fast. I have ran both but NPP just has less side effects in general, including mental sides it seems that deca builds up in your system and compounds the dosages overtime really saturating your receptors. Also more water retention and progesterone sides,atleast for me. I’ve never had to take caber or much any ai’s on npp, I just came off a four month cycle in December and I may be used 2 1/2 or 3 mg of arimidex the whole time,deca gives me puffy nipples but I get nothing from npp. some people go good with Nandrolone and some hate it, but I think it’s safe to say that if you get side effects from NPP, you would get more side effects from Deca

 

[GhostReaper]

I guess I'm lucky with Deca.
None of those issues have I encountered..
None of my friends either..

But..to new guys looking at compounds to run..
That enough to pass on Deca..when they may have no issues..

When I was doing research on Trestolone..lots of sides..Estrogen being #1..
The best anyone can do..research and be aware of the Pro's and Con's...
Dosage and duration are major factors..
Finding the dose with good gains without unbearable sides is always the Goal..
And that takes time..

Z

 

[Knarfster]

I just added NPP to my TRT+ stack. Currently pin Test-E 100mg eod for a total of 200mg a week. Bloods look great, so I just added 80mg NPP which I intend to just add to my 200mg Test-E. I pin 1.5" to the glutes and alternate sides Sunday and Wednesday. Should I be doing NPP M-W-F? I don't want to hit my glutes 4 times a week, so I have read people use slin pins for NPP. Where would I pin this, what gauge, and what length? Im about 14%bf currently and not much fat on my quads. Its primarily on my belly. I could manage EOD if I can get a slin pin method down if that is also recommended.

First, I don;t think you need 1.5 inches at 14% Bf. 1 inch should be fine (I was doing 23ga 1.5 for awhile, but switched to 23 ga 1.25 Ventro glute for 3cc, I hate a slow push). I rotate Thigh (Vastus lateralis) into the mix if I am doing under 2cc. For the thigh I use 27ga 5/8 Slin Pin.

 

[Mikeltee2]

First, I don;t think you need 1.5 inches at 14% Bf. 1 inch should be fine (I was doing 23ga 1.5 for awhile, but switched to 23 ga 1.25 Ventro glute for 3cc, I hate a slow push). I rotate Thigh (Vastus lateralis) into the mix if I am doing under 2cc. For the thigh I use 27ga 5/8 Slin Pin.

I agree with the 1.5" potentially being too long. I squat twice a week and do standing hip thrusts with 8+ plates so there is next to zero fat in my glutes. I carry the majority of my fat in my torso according to my dexa scans. I do intend to switch it up to 1". I would love to pin other areas of my body. My muscles are now defined, but I am not sure that they are thick enough to pin. My quads probably are, but I would want a doctor or an expert to show me how to do delts. Ill have to watch some videos. I really love microdosing my peptides so I wouldn't mind microdosing my trt stack to keep as balanced levels as possible. I can get away with a minimal amount of reta by pinning EOD and have the same benefit of a dose 3 times the amount once a week. I use 1cc syringes, as with e3.5d I am at .7cc. I still have wiggle room to go to 300mg test 100mg NPP in these syringes which will probably be my max before my E2, thyroid, and hemocrit takes a nosedive. The smaller syringe allows me to fill with more accuracy.

After reviewing comments in here, I think I will go 250mg Test and 100mg NPP for 6 weeks and then draw labs. Thats pushing the boundaries for TRT+.

 

[Knarfster]

I agree with the 1.5" potentially being too long. I squat twice a week and do standing hip thrusts with 8+ plates so there is next to zero fat in my glutes. I carry the majority of my fat in my torso according to my dexa scans. I do intend to switch it up to 1". I would love to pin other areas of my body. My muscles are now defined, but I am not sure that they are thick enough to pin. My quads probably are, but I would want a doctor or an expert to show me how to do delts. Ill have to watch some videos. I really love microdosing my peptides so I wouldn't mind microdosing my trt stack to keep as balanced levels as possible. I can get away with a minimal amount of reta by pinning EOD and have the same benefit of a dose 3 times the amount once a week. I use 1cc syringes, as with e3.5d I am at .7cc. I still have wiggle room to go to 300mg test 100mg NPP in these syringes which will probably be my max before my E2, thyroid, and hemocrit takes a nosedive. The smaller syringe allows me to fill with more accuracy.

After reviewing comments in here, I think I will go 250mg Test and 100mg NPP for 6 weeks and then draw labs. Thats pushing the boundaries for TRT+.

I did one cycle, 160mg/week Test, and 262.5 mg/week NPP (later threw in some Mast P) that was pinned EOD. Worked great.