New member few questions

[chrissuhr]

First cycle been running 400mg Tren E and 500mg Test E ( from FL and PSL ) every week (split into 2 seperate doses ) and .5mg arimidex EOD starting on my 3rd week. My question is while being halfway through my cycle the only real not great side effects I've had are lack of appetite and upset stomach when force eating, i'm still sticking to diet as best as possible but it's difficult to choke down enough clean calories some days. Anyways when you have side effects with tren/test how do you know when to up test dose vs lower tren dose etc. I get everyone has their sweet spot just trying to figure out the most effective way to find it. ( I use Tren/Test E because I don't want to pin every day because it's not something i'm really trying to share with my wife )

 

[Bft84]

First cycle been running 400mg Tren E and 500mg Test E ( from FL and PSL ) every week (split into 2 seperate doses ) and .5mg arimidex EOD starting on my 3rd week. My question is while being halfway through my cycle the only real not great side effects I've had are lack of appetite and upset stomach when force eating, i'm still sticking to diet as best as possible but it's difficult to choke down enough clean calories some days. Anyways when you have side effects with tren/test how do you know when to up test dose vs lower tren dose etc. I get everyone has their sweet spot just trying to figure out the most effective way to find it. ( I use Tren/Test E because I don't want to pin every day because it's not something i'm really trying to share with my wife )

If I’m running tren or anything else and it’s effecting my digestion, sleep, energy levels, appetite, etc. i drop the compound completely.
The food and the training are drivers of growth.
I don’t know why you’re running tren especially at 400mg your first cycle.
The tren is what’s causing your issue.
You’re not even to the point of utilizing that amount of drugs.
You should stick to test. If you really wanted another compound for whatever reason masteron or primo would’ve been okay.
You shoudve known the answer to this question before you ever touched gear

 

[wesley_swolle]

Agree with dropping the tren altogether. HOWEVER, if you're dead set on continuing, cut the dose in half. Two hundred milligrams should be plenty

 

[chrissuhr]

Agree with dropping the tren altogether. HOWEVER, if you're dead set on continuing, cut the dose in half. Two hundred milligrams should be plenty

Thanks for the reply I think I will try cutting tren in half first since i've loved everything else so far since week 4ish things have been great, just a mild upset stomach while trying to maintain new higher calorie/macro targets and a little night sweats. I appreciate your time opinion, and the valuable if your to dumb to stop do this instead answer.

 

[Drugsgear]

Welcome to the forum.


Sincerely, Alan.

 

[Multislacking]

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[Redbird51]

Welcome

 

[Matt88]

First cycle been running 400mg Tren E and 500mg Test E ( from FL and PSL ) every week (split into 2 seperate doses ) and .5mg arimidex EOD starting on my 3rd week. My question is while being halfway through my cycle the only real not great side effects I've had are lack of appetite and upset stomach when force eating, i'm still sticking to diet as best as possible but it's difficult to choke down enough clean calories some days. Anyways when you have side effects with tren/test how do you know when to up test dose vs lower tren dose etc. I get everyone has their sweet spot just trying to figure out the most effective way to find it. ( I use Tren/Test E because I don't want to pin every day because it's not something i'm really trying to share with my wife )

I'm going to go out on.a limb here. The tren isn't what's effecting your appetite. It's tren E and it hasn't been long enough to lag your thyroid and appetite down ibc its a longer ester. I'd bet money your estrogen is crashed from thar much AI and your no appetite is a side effect of being estrogen crashed.

Any dry and painful joints by chance?

 

[Bft84]

I'm going to go out on.a limb here. The tren isn't what's effecting your appetite. It's tren E and it hasn't been long enough to lag your thyroid and appetite down ibc its a longer ester. I'd bet money your estrogen is crashed from thar much AI and your no appetite is a side effect of being estrogen crashed.

Any dry and painful joints by chance?

i didn’t even see the ai dosage.
Tren e usually fucks up my digestion around week 3 but there’s a good chance his estrogen is too low because he’s just haphazardly throwing in an ai eod.

 

[Matt88]

i didn’t even see the ai dosage.
Tren e usually fucks up my digestion around week 3 but there’s a good chance his estrogen is too low because he’s just haphazardly throwing in an ai eod.

To be fair when I first read his post I read it to quickly and I read it as him being on week 3 of the cycle.

Exactly on the AI. Just tossing AI at it and hoping for the best tbh. I definitely still think crashed estrogen could be a thing here regardless or maybe you're on to something with the tren e.

 

[samgraves82]

Test and tren on first cycle ???

 

[chrissuhr]

Well I’ll get there eventually thanks for all the advice and knowledge guys I read several articles elsewhere trying to get info at first then I find found a recommended test tren cycle ( that also suggested .5mg Ai EOD starting week 3 and ran with it didn’t have appetite problem till like week 3-4 week 6 now and it’s not worse just not better ) will adjust to lessons learned here and be less of an idiot we all have to start somewhere yeah?

 

[chrissuhr]

I'm going to go out on.a limb here. The tren isn't what's effecting your appetite. It's tren E and it hasn't been long enough to lag your thyroid and appetite down ibc its a longer ester. I'd bet money your estrogen is crashed from thar much AI and your no appetite is a side effect of being estrogen crashed.

Any dry and painful joints by chance?

No dry joints but definitely will stop the ai as well and find some more info for when an ai is necessary, thanks!

 

[Bft84]

No dry joints but definitely will stop the ai as well and find some more info for when an ai is necessary, thanks!

You need bloodwork to know if, when, and how much is necessary. There’s no blanket answer. Some guys need it on 250mg. Some guys don’t need any on a gram.

 

[Matt88]

No dry joints but definitely will stop the ai as well and find some more info for when an ai is necessary, thanks!

Personally, my nipples get itchy if my estrogen gets high. It's generally the very first symptom for me. But like bft said labs are your best bet. You can buy them your self and your doctor will never even know. That would be ideal if u could go get some asap. Even if you did the minimum amount of labs at least u would 100% know if your e2 crashed.

Personally for me on 500mg test I need 1mg of anastrozole a week.

If you can't or won't get labs done I'd suggest dropping the AI for a week and see how you feel. Check back in here if possible.

 

[Multislacking]

You can buy them your self and your doctor will never even know.

That's a "depends". If you live in a smaller area and there are only a couple of places that draw blood, they will likely input your bloods into the same system that everyone uses. Doesn't matter if you did an online labwork order or not. Just a heads up for the country boys.

 

[chrissuhr]

Personally I don't really care if doctor knows or not with hippa i doubt i have to worry about my medical records really affecting me in any meaningful way yeah? And so when I go in do I just say I want a blood test in general or specify I want to check testosterone/estrogen? Thanks again everyone for all the help.

 

[Matt88]

That's a "depends". If you live in a smaller area and there are only a couple of places that draw blood, they will likely input your bloods into the same system that everyone uses. Doesn't matter if you did an online labwork order or not. Just a heads up for the country boys.

Ah makes sense. Its not like that here so I hadn't thought of that. Good call though for sure.

 

[Bft84]

Personally I don't really care if doctor knows or not with hippa i doubt i have to worry about my medical records really affecting me in any meaningful way yeah? And so when I go in do I just say I want a blood test in general or specify I want to check testosterone/estrogen? Thanks again everyone for all the help.

You want a male and female and lipids

 

[Matt88]

You want a male and female and lipids

Honestly I think I'd wait till after pct or on cruise to do lipids tbh. I'd think his lipids will be wrecked on the tren as is. I may be wrong though. Just a thought.

 

[Bft84]

Honestly I think I'd wait till after pct or on cruise to do lipids tbh. I'd think his lipids will be wrecked on the tren as is. I may be wrong though. Just a thought.

I’d do them now and after.
If they’re really bad then he needs to drop the tren and write it off in the future.
Slight elevations aren’t worrisome but if they’re wrecked from a few weeks of 400 mg of tren then that’s a huge red flag,

 

[jozifp103]

Welcome brother. This is a tough one but first thing I'd do is get blood work and check everything including prolactin which is a common side-effect-producing hormone that Tren tends to elevate.

 

[FARMATON]

Aromasin (exemestane) is a very effective way to manage conversion without crashing estro, also increases "free-Test" levels (thats the good stuff)
On a typical cycle, waiting til week 4-5 to start any estro control is best. Lowest effective dose.
Your body will seek to keep a ratio of test to estro. Taking a.i.s from the start can ruin a cycle (esp with nolvadex & arimidex). As your test levels rise, SOME elevation of estro is necessary to maintain balance.
Aromasin is the best option for conversion-control in our opinion, it is a steroid by definition, and does not have the bone eroding side effects of letro, nolva & adex. Since it does not eliminate estrogen, (or simply block it from binding to breast tissue) it leaves very little risk of "crashing" estro. It simply blocks the conversion of exogenous/naturally produced testosterone into estrogen.

 

[Durro]

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[PositiveVibes]

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[chrissuhr]

Just an update I lowered tren to 300 and life is great, appetite may not be quite as strong as when on nothing but no major side effects and eating no longer a struggle. I'm getting towards end of cycle up 20+ pounds with definite improvement everywhere. Had to get new clothes because of tightness in arms legs etc, and every time I see someone I haven't seen in a while they immediately comment on my gains. I'm almost sad to be done with cycle as I'm now convinced tren is truly the nectar of the gods.

 

[Sponx]

Welcome!

Tren is powerful... Be cautious with its effects... Not something you want to take lightly. Less is more.

 

[Onidus]

Welcome to asf bro💪 and crazy first cycle. I waited 8 years before trying tren lol

 

[Forty01]

Aromasin (exemestane) is a very effective way to manage conversion without crashing estro, also increases "free-Test" levels (thats the good stuff)
On a typical cycle, waiting til week 4-5 to start any estro control is best. Lowest effective dose.
Your body will seek to keep a ratio of test to estro. Taking a.i.s from the start can ruin a cycle (esp with nolvadex & arimidex). As your test levels rise, SOME elevation of estro is necessary to maintain balance.
Aromasin is the best option for conversion-control in our opinion, it is a steroid by definition, and does not have the bone eroding side effects of letro, nolva & adex. Since it does not eliminate estrogen, (or simply block it from binding to breast tissue) it leaves very little risk of "crashing" estro. It simply blocks the conversion of exogenous/naturally produced testosterone into estrogen.

As I’m getting ready for my first run this is great info. Thanks for the input. Sorry OP definitely not trying to hijack your post lol. Good luck

 

[SkeevsBudz]

Not gonna lie. When i first tried tren i went up to 600 after like 5 weeks in. I still didnt feel any side effects other then acne and itchy nips but i felt like a god no anger issues and i slept like a baby, maybe 1 time ir 2 times a week i would wake up to pee but i fell back asleep regardless. Beast in the gym

But as i used tren more taking lower doses and controling estro i felt even better knowing your controling the tren not the other way around. BRO tip, Start low i would say 150mg and let your body get used to it and maybe your second time around u can go higher but other then that your just wasting the full effects if u cant eat, rest, or know what it could really do on low dose