New ICE shooting video?

[chadmack]

These shootings are a direct result of leftist liberal antics escalating all of these situations.

 

[MrWhisper]

You make a decent point, but so do those people who argue that most of those illegals are economically indispensable to the agriculture, construction and hospitality industries. Both can be true at the same time — those industries are generally low-paid, which means we effectively subsidize the workers wages with food stamps and the like. Yes, it is a financial burden on tax payers, but that is how the economy has been structurally set up to keep wages low in those industries.

Will those wages go up and attract more Americans if a large number of illegals are deported? Quite possibly. But expect that will drive up prices for food, homes, hotels, etc. You can’t make labor more expensive and expect the farmers, construction companies and hotels will eat the cost out of the kindness of their hearts for consumers.

I’m not trying to persuade you the mass deportations are a bad idea — just pointing out the reality of economics.

In your case, you may believe the economic trade-offs are worth it, which is understandable.

However, people who don’t believe the mass deportations are economically justified — or morally justified, given that our economy basically recruited these people — are also entitled to their opinion.

It doesn’t make them traitors or guilty of sedition or worthy of prison or execution. The Constitution protects their right to protest and voice their views.

Do you have to agree with them? Nope. But I wish we could recognize that both sides can be loyal Americans rather than hating each other.

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again: It used to be Americans hated the Soviet communists or the Islamic terrorists, but now they don’t hate anyone more than their fellow Americans.

That is incredibly dangerous and damaging to the Republic — much more than any individual policy…

So basically you want to encourage illegal employment by illegal aliens. That just creates another American problem and they still don’t pay taxes where the rest of legal citizens pay there dues like everyone else. If this is your view for better economics in the U.S. then you are apart of the problem.

US min wages for workers at McDonalds or elsewhere was not directly affected by the abundance of low cost illegal alien workers. This was a push by the Democratic Party to gain votes of the dummies who work at Burger King for way to long bc they have no motivation to gain better employable skills. It doesn’t matter that illegals come here and want to do shit work for shit money. Let’s put that into perspective of the law…it’s still illegal to employ an illegal alien without proper documents like at a minimum a work visa and a social security card for work only. Even with these documents it still doesn’t make them even legal residents. There is additional paperwork and a screening for them to even earn the Green Card making them a Permanent Resident, which btw is also temporary and based on renewal to legally stay in the country. If illegals come here and can’t legally work they then have to go somewhere else…and that’s the government to pay the way.

Deportations are punishment for breaking the law. Period! Immigrants that did it the right way hate the fact millions of alien are having there way with their own tax dollars.

Peaceful protests are a right and I support it. But “let’s call it what it is,” it’s organized crime. Committing a crime can be met with deadly force.

Unfortunately Americans are massively divided and disconnected which they’re rarely able to have a disagreement without wanting to crucify each other. However the law is the law and it cannot become incredibly selective based on how you or I feel. You can vote and so can I, so vote for someone that will hold American values and the law of the land to stay firm so that laws are upheld. If you don’t agree with the law doesn’t make it not he law. So Fuck around and Find out is what’s happening now and I love it when they uphold the law.

 

[oldbull]

So basically you want to encourage illegal employment by illegal aliens. That just creates another American problem and they still don’t pay taxes where the rest of legal citizens pay there dues like everyone else. If this is your view for better economics in the U.S. then you are apart of the problem.

US min wages for workers at McDonalds or elsewhere was not directly affected by the abundance of low cost illegal alien workers. This was a push by the Democratic Party to gain votes of the dummies who work at Burger King for way to long bc they have no motivation to gain better employable skills. It doesn’t matter that illegals come here and want to do shit work for shit money. Let’s put that into perspective of the law…it’s still illegal to employ an illegal alien without proper documents like at a minimum a work visa and a social security card for work only. Even with these documents it still doesn’t make them even legal residents. There is additional paperwork and a screening for them to even earn the Green Card making them a Permanent Resident, which btw is also temporary and based on renewal to legally stay in the country. If illegals come here and can’t legally work they then have to go somewhere else…and that’s the government to pay the way.

Deportations are punishment for breaking the law. Period! Immigrants that did it the right way hate the fact millions of alien are having there way with their own tax dollars.

Peaceful protests are a right and I support it. But “let’s call it what it is,” it’s organized crime. Committing a crime can be met with deadly force.

Unfortunately Americans are massively divided and disconnected which they’re rarely able to have a disagreement without wanting to crucify each other. However the law is the law and it cannot become incredibly selective based on how you or I feel. You can vote and so can I, so vote for someone that will hold American values and the law of the land to stay firm so that laws are upheld. If you don’t agree with the law doesn’t make it not he law. So Fuck around and Find out is what’s happening now and I love it when they uphold the law.

It’s not that I want to encourage illegal employment by illegal aliens, I am just stating the fact that they do already work in the agriculture, construction and hospitality industries in great numbers. Not saying that is good or bad, just that it is the reality. You may be willing to absorb the economic impacts of deporting all those workers. However, many farmers and other business owners — who often otherwise lean conservative — are scared as hell of losing those workers. Which is why Trump is privately assuring the agriculture industry that it is going to carve out exemptions for farmers.

Not much publicized, as it would contradict the message his administration is otherwise pushing. My point? Even Trump has a more nuanced view of this issue than black and white, legal/illegal, but he tailors his message to the audience…

 

[MrWhisper]

It’s not that I want to encourage illegal employment by illegal aliens, I am just stating the fact that they do already work in the agriculture, construction and hospitality industries in great numbers. Not saying that is good or bad, just that it is the reality. You may be willing to absorb the economic impacts of deporting all those workers. However, many farmers and other business owners — who often otherwise lean conservative — are scared as hell of losing those workers. Which is why Trump is privately assuring the agriculture industry that it is going to carve out exemptions for farmers.

Not much publicized, as it would contradict the message his administration is otherwise pushing. My point? Even Trump has a more nuanced view of this issue than black and white, legal/illegal, but he tailors his message to the audience…

All politicians tailor their message to the audience…duh. It’s will they follow thru. Trump has a habit of following thru. How about that? A politician that says something then does it.

The country has plenty of people living on the streets that can take on these careers. OR these employers can do it legally with immigrants that come to America with a work Visa. Back home I used to work for a fruit orchard that did that with Jamaicans. They helped them get their work Visa’s so they could work legally in the U.S. They paid for there transportation back and forth and had double wide homes for them to live in. They also had 2 vans that hold up to 15 of them so they can go do there shopping, ext. It can be successfully done legally for the workers and the employer.

 

[oldbull]

All politicians tailor their message to the audience…duh. It’s will they follow thru. Trump has a habit of following thru. How about that? A politician that says something then does it.

The country has plenty of people living on the streets that can take on these careers. OR these employers can do it legally with immigrants that come to America with a work Visa. Back home I used to work for a fruit orchard that did that with Jamaicans. They helped them get their work Visa’s so they could work legally in the U.S. They paid for there transportation back and forth and had double wide homes for them to live in. They also had 2 vans that hold up to 15 of them so they can go do there shopping, ext. It can be successfully done legally for the workers and the employer.

I’m not criticizing Trump for tailoring his message to his audience — just pointing out that he is not necessarily as gung ho about deporting all illegals as he may lead you to believe. I suppose time will tell whether he really does carve out that exemption for farmworkers or not.

To be clear, I am not a supporter of unconstrained mass migration. Of course it will result in the type of culture clash we are seeing here and in Europe. You can’t expect to import millions of low-paid workers and not have it result in upheaval of some degree. The fact we created an agriculture industry dependent on illegal immigrant labor is not a sustainable solution in the long term.

That said, we can’t pretend it won’t have economic impacts and cause food price inflation if all those farmworkers disappear. Some of those jobs may be taken by Americans but they will have to pay more — hence the inflation. Farmers operate on low margins and can’t eat the cost of more expensive labor.

Also, I’d argue the USA is in a less drastic situation than Europe, as we have largely imported a Catholic minority — as opposed to a hostile Muslim religion that is fundamentally opposed to Western society…

 

[MrWhisper]

We had inflation with them here before now so that doesn’t mean much today. Let’s not pretend that is what will stimulate inflation.

Agriculture jobs typically pay more than minimum wage based on what they want to pay for what job you do so they can simply adjust the pay if need be. The more and more environmental regulations are the problem the farmers face more than with labor costs. Trump let up on some of them his last term which helped the agricultural community.

 

[oldbull]

We had inflation with them here before now so that doesn’t mean much today. Let’s not pretend that is what will stimulate inflation.

Agriculture jobs typically pay more than minimum wage based on what they want to pay for what job you do so they can simply adjust the pay if need be. The more and more environmental regulations are the problem the farmers face more than with labor costs. Trump let up on some of them his last term which helped the agricultural community.

If Americans would be willing to work for the same wages as the illegals, then why aren’t they doing it now? Truth is, Americans don’t take farm labor jobs even if they are decently paid. They might take them eventually, but only if wages go way up. In that case, many farmers will go out of business, thus constraining the food supply and causing inflation. Or they’ll have to raise prices if they are able to pass them on, which will also cause inflation. That is economics 101, I don’t see how you get around that.

Frankly, I tend to agree we would be better off if our agricultural system did not rely on illegal labor. But that is the system we have, and it doesn’t seem to make much sense to basically eliminate much of the farm labor because “rules are rules,” regardless of the economic disruption.

Also, I find it interesting that folks on this forum who say “rules are rules” and must be unbending in all circumstances are also freely talking about using illegal steroids. If the rules are rules without exception, then it might be a good idea to notify the DEA and then head off to prison — it’s where we all belong, right, since rules are rules?

 

[MrWhisper]

If Americans would be willing to work for the same wages as the illegals, then why aren’t they doing it now? Truth is, Americans don’t take farm labor jobs even if they are decently paid. They might take them eventually, but only if wages go way up. In that case, many farmers will go out of business, thus constraining the food supply and causing inflation. Or they’ll have to raise prices if they are able to pass them on, which will also cause inflation. That is economics 101, I don’t see how you get around that.

Frankly, I tend to agree we would be better off if our agricultural system did not rely on illegal labor. But that is the system we have, and it doesn’t seem to make much sense to basically eliminate much of the farm labor because “rules are rules,” regardless of the economic disruption.

Also, I find it interesting that folks on this forum who say “rules are rules” and must be unbending in all circumstances are also freely talking about using illegal steroids. If the rules are rules without exception, then it might be a good idea to notify the DEA and then head off to prison — it’s where we all belong, right, since rules are rules?

I tend to side with you that Americans have become lazy and want more than they are worth. However if the government would stop bailing them out then they would either have to do it or live on the street. Give them the opportunity to fail before ruling it out. And when they do in many cases people will rise to the occasion cuz they have to. Too much government support creates weak people enslaved by government bail out programs.

Rules are rules and laws are laws and I am on a forum knowing what my consequences are. I still respect them and believe in upholding the law. It’s the dumbasses that believe they are at no risk bc of weak state leaders allowing for weak enforcement and judges that allow it and send people on there way with less than a slap on the wrist. Sends a message that it’s ok that we won’t hold you fully accountable. If you accept the risk then you accept what the consequences are. Everyone on here knows that shit. In fact there a a few who openly talk about receiving prison time for being caught with gear across the forums.

 

[oldbull]

I tend to side with you that Americans have become lazy and want more than they are worth. However if the government would stop bailing them out then they would either have to do it or live on the street. Give them the opportunity to fail before ruling it out. And when they do in many cases people will rise to the occasion cuz they have to. Too much government support creates weak people enslaved by government bail out programs.

Rules are rules and laws are laws and I am on a forum knowing what my consequences are. I still respect them and believe in upholding the law. It’s the dumbasses that believe they are at no risk bc of weak state leaders allowing for weak enforcement and judges that allow it and send people on there way with less than a slap on the wrist. Sends a message that it’s ok that we won’t hold you fully accountable. If you accept the risk then you accept what the consequences are. Everyone on here knows that shit. In fact there a a few who openly talk about receiving prison time for being caught with gear across the forums.

Though we take divergent views on this, I appreciate you being willing to debate the issue in a respectful tone. I think we can all find more common ground than we realize across the country — even with libtards and illegals.

Regarding Americans becoming lazy — maybe some have, but I also think there’s a stigma that’s developed against farm work. Probably the fact it is associated with illegal immigrants has contributed to that. No white American is going to brag to their friends about their grown child who picks strawberries for a living. It’s seen as being at the very lowest rung of society. It’s an unfortunate stigma against honest work.

If Trump really does deport all the illegals, including those who keep the agriculture, construction and hospitality industries afloat, there will definitely be an economic realignment. Artificial intelligence and robotics may have to rush to fill in some gaps, some labor-intensive crops may be solely imported from foreign countries, and other unpredictable changes may take place. Will we survive? Sure, we will.

But I honestly don’t see that the disruption would be worth it. My sense is that folks who are most alarmed by illegals immigrants have not actually met any, and primarily base their views on certain media.

Farmers I know who are otherwise very conservative but have a lot of Hispanic farmworkers are almost uniformly fond of them and believe it is needlessly cruel to deport those people, especially since some have practically become like family to them after decades of working together.

Of course, there are horror stories about atrocities committed by illegals, and I have no doubt they place a disproportionate burden on social services. But most of them are just regular folks trying to do right by their families.

As to the food stamps and such, that is an unfortunate aspect to how we have structured our economy. Not only illegals but most every low-level worker is reliant on government handouts because we effectively want to provide companies with cheap labor.

As a society, we have decided that we would rather have our tax dollars supplementing the salaries of the working poor rather than forcing companies to pay them more and provide better benefits.

Is that an unwise economic or moral choice? I am sure arguments can be made for both sides of the issue. But we have to recognize that these handouts do not operate in isolation, and are in fact a subsidy for private companies.

 

[Rot-Iron66]

Of course, there are horror stories about atrocities committed by illegals, and I have no doubt they place a disproportionate burden on social services. But most of them are just regular folks trying to do right by their families.

Doesnt matter ^^ If illegal, federal law was broken, period. Getting sent back to where they came from illegally, all Prez's have done it.
Obozo did it in record numbers. Other countries execute for such crimes. Being sent back is pretty "tame" and non-violent.

The bleeding hearts like to cry about that same thing mentioned above. But not the families of loved ones slaughtered and raped by violent 'ape like" illegals.
many are non-human when it comes to society... Come here legally, stop draining our tax dollars, stop the brutal crime...

Look athe UK and other countries allowing them in 24x7, just violent 3rd world shitholes now, unrecognizable. Child rape is pretty much OK there.
Wrist slap, victims blamed, etc... disgusting libturds and globalist scum..

 

[Milford King]

Lol

Forum libtards crying over one of their own, a rat face scrawny bitch ass vermin, taking back shots is hilarious.

Fuck that loser.

No one, on the left, whined or felt bad for Ashli Babbit or Charlie kirk.

I hope more of you brainwashed fucks try to get tough in the streets.

P.S : dude definitely skipped legday. See kids, skip leg day at your own peril.

 

[oldbull]

Lol

Forum libtards crying over one of their own, a rat face scrawny bitch ass vermin, taking back shots is hilarious.

Fuck that loser.

No one, on the left, whined or felt bad for Ashli Babbit or Charlie kirk.

I hope more of you brainwashed fucks try to get tough in the streets.

P.S : dude definitely skipped legday. See kids, skip leg day at your own peril.

Not sure if your post was directed at me — though I assume so — but I am not and have never been a liberal. I can occasionally be a tard but that is unrelated to politics. Do you consider Ronald Reagan a libtard?

 

[MrWhisper]

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[chadmack]

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[lottalead]

So Tim Walz and these other clowns were inciting people to stand up and fight against ICE...and then the brainwashed herd listens. And deaths occur.

This issue in Minn..is totally created and being politically inflamed intentionally.

Take the main political leaders, bring them all in for treason and hang them.

Take ICE out and bring in our Military. Let them sweep up the invaders.. that's what they are. And who let them walk in the door? Well let's hold their feet to the fire.

I know just the man that will...and it's not Trump

Coming soon

i say get rid of 90% of all politicians at the top--governors senate house all the way up---then start over with a whole new set of rules! start locking the fuckers up so the others have a reason to behave and work for the people!

 

[lottalead]

protesting is one thing interfering with the law is illegal inciting riots is illegal

 

[selfmademonster]

i say get rid of 90% of all politicians at the top--governors senate house all the way up---then start over with a whole new set of rules! start locking the fuckers up so the others have a reason to behave and work for the people!

They'll just be replaced by friends, kin or like minded individuals and it starts all over again. That's the way the system has been structured and what pawns have been dying for over many generations.Fighting for freedom....the freedom for them to keep you dumb under their thumb

 

[lottalead]

They'll just be replaced by friends, kin or like minded individuals and it starts all over again. That's the way the system has been structured and what pawns have been dying for over many generations.Fighting for freedom....the freedom for them to keep you dumb under their thumb

thats why we need a whole new set of rules in which they get in serious trouble rather than nothing