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Ment train

TheOldJJdigs said:
Ya that would be my question too. I’m actually running prop and Test E right now… I like the balance the Test E gives me and the immediate boost the prop gives me. I’m running our Primo at a moderate dose and a small amount of NPP really for joint support more than anything. I’ve been wanting to add something else… I run Mast Prop but I’ve wanted to dump that for a while now. I might try what Bolan is suggesting… I have 4 vials of it so I might just try 25mg EOD for a week or more. Than see if I need to adjust my AI. The. Go up to 50mg EOD… then to 50mg ED
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After 6 weeks on Ment the gains kinda subside....So no longer than 6-8 weeks tops.
 
zionoir626 said:
Many reasons for this thought pattern..
1..Test being one of the two..each cycle with a different oil, see what works for you,what sides at what doses and duration..and
Estrogen control if at all needed..
2..orals as a push, short duration..same evaluation of each oral you use..
3..this helps answer tons of Q's..
At what Test level my markers start to rise..
How certain orals act..same thing..

Huge learning process ,that takes lot of time and patience..

But 3 or 4 cycles and you have a Foundation to work From..
And when you do branch out to 3 oils or 2 orals..if a side comes up, shouldn't be any guess work..

That not what most do..and cycles later...
An OMG thread, ER wake up call...
See it everyday..everywhere..
I mean even 20 yr Vets use this formula..
Why..
Because it keeps you structured, so you don't do 5 oils and 3 orals for 16wks..
KISS
Z...
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No Z you’re absolutely right man. It’s just tough to break old habits especially when I’ve been going for so long and I’ve been doing so well. But I know what you mean… we all at some point push the boundaries and sometimes we have to pay for that down the road. I feel with the older I get I have become more conservative with the dosages and the less is more attitude
 
zionoir626 said:
Many reasons for this thought pattern..
1..Test being one of the two..each cycle with a different oil, see what works for you,what sides at what doses and duration..and
Estrogen control if at all needed..
2..orals as a push, short duration..same evaluation of each oral you use..
3..this helps answer tons of Q's..
At what Test level my markers start to rise..
How certain orals act..same thing..

Huge learning process ,that takes lot of time and patience..

But 3 or 4 cycles and you have a Foundation to work From..
And when you do branch out to 3 oils or 2 orals..if a side comes up, shouldn't be any guess work..

That not what most do..and cycles later...
An OMG thread, ER wake up call...
See it everyday..everywhere..
I mean even 20 yr Vets use this formula..
Why..
Because it keeps you structured, so you don't do 5 oils and 3 orals for 16wks..
KISS
Z...
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Hey newbies,
Screen shot this type it up & hit print put it on your wall or better yet your screen saver..
Well put z.
 
Jbswole40 said:
Hey newbies,
Screen shot this type it up & hit print put it on your wall or better yet your screen saver..
Well put z.
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Isn’t that the truth…. Z’s been around a long time.

Not calling you old Z!!!! You might have old balls… but you’re not old 😁😁😁
 
TheOldJJdigs said:
Ya that would be my question too. I’m actually running prop and Test E right now… I like the balance the Test E gives me and the immediate boost the prop gives me. I’m running our Primo at a moderate dose and a small amount of NPP really for joint support more than anything. I’ve been wanting to add something else… I run Mast Prop but I’ve wanted to dump that for a while now. I might try what Bolan is suggesting… I have 4 vials of it so I might just try 25mg EOD for a week or more. Than see if I need to adjust my AI. The. Go up to 50mg EOD… then to 50mg ED
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Same @TheOldJJdigs ,I'm about a week in ,test cyp & bold cyp..have this in the stash been wanting to run..
 
Run a log fellas on the ment train!!! Intrested on what you guys think....
Next up Inj YK-11 ;)
 
Jbswole40 said:
Same @TheOldJJdigs ,I'm about a week in ,test cyp & bold cyp..have this in the stash been wanting to run..
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So awesome I just saw you write that. So I have AG’s Bold CYP and I’ve been wanting to change things up for a while.

What do you guys think of this.

Dropping the NPP or keeping it at 50mg E4D. Then running

Test Prop 400mg/wk
Test E 250mg/wk
Bold CYP 400mg/wk
MENT 50mg EOD
Primo E 600mg/wk

Running Proviron at 50mg ED and not running any oral as that’s a good amount of oil.

Suggestions/Advice? I have any AI I want to add in there if estro gets too high but I seriously doubt it with Primo and Proviron at the MG I’m running. The only variable is the MENT
 
TheOldJJdigs said:
So awesome I just saw you write that. So I have AG’s Bold CYP and I’ve been wanting to change things up for a while.

What do you guys think of this.

Dropping the NPP or keeping it at 50mg E4D. Then running

Test Prop 400mg/wk
Test E 250mg/wk
Bold CYP 400mg/wk
MENT 50mg EOD
Primo E 600mg/wk

Running Proviron at 50mg ED and not running any oral as that’s a good amount of oil.

Suggestions/Advice? I have any AI I want to add in there if estro gets too high but I seriously doubt it with Primo and Proviron at the MG I’m running. The only variable is the MENT
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I would prob drop the npp,or primo..but I understand why u wanna keep it in.
I run proviron 50 ed also,I'm not sure how to dose ai but will soon find out..
 
Jbswole40 said:
I would prob drop the npp,or primo..but I understand why u wanna keep it in.
I run proviron 50 ed also,I'm not sure how to dose ai but will soon find out..
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I know… it seems like a lot to me too. I just have to have the NPP for my joints. Even at 50mg I notice a big difference… I love Primo but if I drop the dosage down to 300mg… I’ve never run primo at that low of a dose. I like the general well being that Primo gives me… and it keeps me full and really just growing constantly. Nothing like adding 5lbs in a week growing but rather just a steady growth over time. So
I’m reluctant to drop it all together.

Anyone have experience running primo at low dosages?
 
Goal when choosing compounds to run..
What are you trying to achieve..??
What kind of things cause you issues, like mood swings or wife suddenly grows a slong..lol
What compounds will get you there with the least problems or risk..doses, duration..
Then you look at what sides you know you're going to have to deal with..

And that cycle...
Trest being the strong compound, will likely not get much from the lesser compounds a waste of $$$..
Like maybe Mast with Trest if you get some AI benefit..compensating an Estrogen sides with a compound that will help you manage the harshest compound..

There's a good deal to consider..
Also,can a compound be ran without Test..??
Even seasoned Vets are not totally sold on Always Test..
I only did one, but my doses were extremely low...without Test..but the results were freaking amazing..
A carved in stone rule...perhaps not..!!
In 50 yrs...they'll be laughing at what we did..
Remember this stuff has been around how long..??
Not Long..
Z...
 
TheOldJJdigs said:
So awesome I just saw you write that. So I have AG’s Bold CYP and I’ve been wanting to change things up for a while.

What do you guys think of this.

Dropping the NPP or keeping it at 50mg E4D. Then running

Test Prop 400mg/wk
Test E 250mg/wk
Bold CYP 400mg/wk
MENT 50mg EOD
Primo E 600mg/wk

Running Proviron at 50mg ED and not running any oral as that’s a good amount of oil.

Suggestions/Advice? I have any AI I want to add in there if estro gets too high but I seriously doubt it with Primo and Proviron at the MG I’m running. The only variable is the MENT
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The only modification I would change, is eliminate one of test bases. Chose Test P or E. And bold is part of the test family as well. I personally like using 1 compound from each aas family tree. Test, Nandrolone and DHT. I personally use 2 oils and 1 oral (usually dht). I use only 3 total compounds. But I like to run my Test high in the off season, I personally believe test is the best muscle builder. Recomp/cut I like to lower the test and ramp up the Tren.
 
GymMonkey1117 said:
The only modification I would change, is eliminate one of test bases. Chose Test P or E. And bold is part of the test family as well. I personally like using 1 compound from each aas family tree. Test, Nandrolone and DHT. I personally use 2 oils and 1 oral (usually dht). I use only 3 total compounds. But I like to run my Test high in the off season, I personally believe test is the best muscle builder. Recomp/cut I like to lower the test and ramp up the Tren.
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We’re not that far off I typically run my oils the exact same way. However a good friend of mine on here suggested a while back to use a medium chain ester test with prop and after trying it I love it. I’m not sure I’ll ever go back just using one. I do know what you’re saying though. Do you ever get to a point where you run more Tren then test?
 
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GymMonkey1117 said:
The only modification I would change, is eliminate one of test bases. Chose Test P or E. And bold is part of the test family as well. I personally like using 1 compound from each aas family tree. Test, Nandrolone and DHT. I personally use 2 oils and 1 oral (usually dht). I use only 3 total compounds. But I like to run my Test high in the off season, I personally believe test is the best muscle builder. Recomp/cut I like to lower the test and ramp up the Tren.
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My best & favorite cycles were with 1 test,nandrolone & dht..more times than not it was npp.
 
Yea, do have some reaction to highE or C.
Why 2.5 esters??
Cause Test C and E are damn close..
Z...
 
TheOldJJdigs said:
We’re not that far off I typically run my oils the exact same way. However a good friend of mine on here suggested a while back to use a medium chain ester test with prop and after trying it I love it. I’m not sure I’ll ever go back just using one. I do know what you’re saying though. Do you ever get to a point where you run more Tren then test?
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It depends. To me recomps are different than cut cycles. If I want to cut I will run Tren higher then test, but if I want recomp and gain a little size, I will have test higher. I personally never run test lower than 500mg a week on cycle. If I trying to gain size I will keep raising test until I feel comfortable. The issue I have found with Tren is diminishing results after higher doses. I haven’t had diminishing returns with test other then high estrogen, which is good or bad depending on situation
 
Test/DHB/NPP....is a killer..
But, I'm thinking of a no-test base with my next DHB run...
Z...
 
Test lower dhb / npp all around 3-400 ...
Loved it.no ai.just proviron
 
I tried CJC1295 last yr..damn stuff dropped 7 lbs off me..even thought I was using it for elevating gh levels..
Guess it shredded the fat first, 7lbs in 5 days..
Might run it the last month..
I'm wanting to drop the NPP halfway..
Run another oil..and Var/Drol combo
Last 3 wks..
Z...
 
No..first two cycles I'm all Test..
But DHB and Trest can be used without a Test base..
DHB doesn't convert, nice, less Estro problems out the gate..no reception flooded or competition among compounds..
Less oil,less sides and depending on compounds..
The logic is there..
Z...
 

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