Well said bro...Right on brother, and yes the stuff is legal, but still there certain things people do in their personal life that they don't want aired.
I'm not opposed to it or against it, and I'm not advocating or saying that it will have a negative effect on people, however that is one of the side effects for some people and it especially holds true for people who smoke a lot of marijuana, whether they want to argue it and talk about marijuana and all of its amazing god-given healing properties, whatever, the fact of the matter is certain things that we use that are relatively harmless can catch up to us down the road.
But again this is why things didn't make sense at first and I was standing firm with testosterone being a driving force that should have kept things running smoothly with the amount that was free.
But the blood work you posted was crucial with solving this.
This is the prime example why it's extremely pivotal to always give as much detail as possible, even if the individual does not think that something that they're doing could be related. Unbeknownst to them there could be so many hidden factors, yet all the while people would be pointing fingers slandering or blaming a lab without a shred of evidence.
I've seen it before, and I've seen Labs take a beat'n all because people were ill-informed and uneducated, I have even seen this take place with false negatives and skewed results from roidtest, and people commenced the slandering.
Not once that I think this was the lab.
Everything that we do here at the end of the day and after all, is one big science experiment on ourselves.
We owe each and every single instance the benefit of the doubt for process of elimination, it's best to try to rule out as many contributing forces as possible before assuming the worst. True story!
Thanks for all the replies so far! Just waking up to go do cardio before I go into work. I had labs done June 22nd. Problem with the labs in regards to the estrogen number is that it's not an accurate representation of my baseline. I made a rookie mistake and chose a bad time to get the labs in regards to e2.
I was like 2 weeks out from having tried mast again (2 wks out from last mast shot). I was only on 250mg Test E and 50mg ED proviron. Given its mast E it's likely still having an effect to some degree on this E2 number which means it's not an accurate representation of my baseline e2 running 1mg adex a week with 250mg test.
I have since tried mast again with the result as described in my initial post. From what you guys are saying it sounds like I should drop the AI and give e2 a chance to rise THEN try Mast again.
This will hold true with a case to case basis.Most of the time Masteron takes care of what your AI will do
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Good for you with kicking that shit to the curb man.Right...kick that shit to curb.i never tried it but had my share of problems w painkillers for years..I gotta have my sexlife in full on beast mode,anything messing w that I'm drop.
Thanks.training hard & strict diet & lifestyle got me right.i do not miss it or alcohol at all.alot of positive things said on this forum.Good for you with kicking that shit to the curb man.
Yes sir! I can definitely see what you mean. My apologies for not including those labs in my initial post and them being a couple posts down.Right on brother, and yes the stuff is legal, but still there's certain things people do in their personal life that they don't want aired.
I'm not opposed to it or against it, and I'm not advocating or saying that it will have a negative effect on people, however that's one of the side effects for some people and it especially holds true for people who smoke a lot of marijuana, whether they want to argue it and talk about marijuana and all of its amazing god-given healing properties, whatever, the fact of the matter is certain things that we use that are relatively harmless can catch up to us down the road.
But again this is why things didn't make sense at first and I was standing firm with testosterone being a driving force that should have kept things running smoothly with the amount that was free.
But the blood work you posted was crucial with solving this.
This is the prime example why it's extremely pivotal to always give as much detail as possible, even if the individual does not think that something that they're doing could be related. Unbeknownst to them there could be so many hidden factors, yet all the while people would be pointing fingers slandering or blaming a lab without a shred of evidence.
I've seen it before, and I've seen Labs take a beat'n all because people were ill-informed and uneducated, I've seen this take place with false negatives and skewed results from roidtest, and people commenced the slandering.
Not once did I think this was the lab or the product, never crossed my mind.
But people like to go there first and run wild with it and start shaming.
Everything that we do here at the end of the day and after all, is one big science experiment on ourselves.
We owe each and every single instance the benefit of the doubt for process of elimination, it's best to try to rule out as many contributing forces as possible before assuming the worst. True story!
If I was a betting man, I would 1,000% guarantee that the two culprits that you had involved in the past and present that has caused issues for you would be tren and kratom.. and at this moment regardless of what compounds you're taking kratom will be the heavy baller with any sexual issues whether it's with desensitivity, lack of desire and so on.Yes sir! I can definitely see what you mean. My apologies for not including those labs in my initial post and them being a couple posts down.
Definitely interested to see how I respond to Mast without Kratom in play. I am just connecting the last dots in my head with this situation and trying to learn as much as possible.
Since the symptoms (sexual issues) was only present when mast was in play would it be safe to say that the mast exasperated the elevated prolactin symptoms? Maybe in the sense of lower e2 from the adex/mast combo + elevated prolactin combined equaled the symptoms i had? Saying that the mast wouldn't of produced these symptoms without the elevated prolactin? Am I close at all?
I love aromasin for this reason. I do use adex, I have it on script, it has its purposes.. I switch out AI,s depending on goals compounds and feels. I feel at my best on aromasin, that speaks volumes. and this is coming from a life long adex user.. modest amounts of aromasin won't smash E and tank them like you said. Its more tolerated and for long term use with TRT and blasting and cruising its a breath of fresh air with bone density, essentially not weakening bones like adex.. The PK (pharmacokinetic properties completely out classes other AI's IMO..Prob scenario 2. Drop the adex. You may not need any AI if you are running mast.
Adex is STRONG. (Bad for the bones too). Use aromasin blocks conversion, boosts free-test & wont tank your E.
Listen man, some days we are the bug, other days we are the windshield. If you have days where past demons are whispering in your ear about things you've overcame, with temptations. Hit me up on PM's.Thanks.training hard & strict diet & lifestyle got me right.i do not miss it or alcohol at all.alot of positive things said on this forum.
I feel the same exact way as what Vision said!
Being a previous alcoholic, I get it! Hit us both up in PMs. I get PM email notifications so if I'm awake and not swamped at work I will reply to you quickly. Don't try and fight your demons alone. We have all came entirely to far to not have each other's backs.
This will hold true with a case to case basis.
It is true and it is factual that mast could display behaviors and characteristics that would be very similar to some AI's, by way of other properties and different mechanisms of action. A very good portion of those that are very successful with this well already have a very low body composition fat ratio.
I wouldn't rely on it, especially if someone is in the double digits.
Adipose tissue likes to be a safe haven that will harbor the aromatase enzymes. This is a significant source for aromatase activity.
This is one of the reasons mast shines a lot better when the users body fat index and composition is nice and tight.
Good info. Appreciated. I haven't taken an AI in like 1 to 1.5 wks and I upped my proviron dose from 50mg to 100mg a day. No high e2 sides. My nips ALWAYS get itchy if it gets high. When i do take an AI again it will be aromasin and not adex. Going to get some Mast Prop soon and work on finding my test to mast ratio.As previously mentioned most won't need an AI while on Mast.. I for one felt great at 1:1 ratio of Test:Mast... that is.. until I didn't... after about a year.. it tanked my E2.. no idea why it took so long.. I've had to drop it down a lot.. Now I'm about 3:1 ratio Test:Mast and feel much better.
Great to hear..have never used aromasin yet.only use adex as needed which is not much.proviron 50ed mast 3-400week helps for me.keep pushing.Bump for an update and a big thank you!
Wanted to take a moment and thank all of you that commented in this thread.
I've since discontinued armidex entirely and went to a low dose of Aromasin. I am now 2.5 wks into 200 mast along with my 250 test and I'm LOVING it. 50mg per day proviron is still in there as well. All I can say is wow!
So thank you to everyone for all your help!
@Vision Bro, Thank you!!
Brother, this is absolutely terrific News man it's so good clicking on to this link and reading your update, and everything turned right around.Bump for an update and a big thank you!
Wanted to take a moment and thank all of you that commented in this thread.
I've since discontinued armidex entirely and went to a low dose of Aromasin. I am now 2.5 wks into 200 mast along with my 250 test and I'm LOVING it. 50mg per day proviron is still in there as well. All I can say is wow!
So thank you to everyone for all your help!
@Vision Bro, Thank you!!
You completely nailed it 100% brother. Very well done!! Thank you again. I'll be ordering more aromasin and not touching adex again unless it's an emergency.Brother, this is absolutely terrific News man it's so good clicking on to this link and reading your update, and everything turned right around.
Thank you for taking into consideration some advice and suggestions that was truly aimed at your well-being, I would have never suggested anything that I have little experience with, I would have tagged someone that is more qualified, but I personally was in the same predicament, with ditching arimidex and entirely changing out my AI, well at the same time using a low or moderate amount of mast and test..
It was day and night.
In 2 weeks from now you're going to feel like you're floating on air.
Embrace the moment, but most of all make as many notes as you possibly can so you can read back on. In this outlines that you really don't need much.
Good for you brother (high 5).
So many other guys chimed in with real life feedback man, your peers came through for you brother.
Keep us posted how you make out especially for all the solid readers.
Good decision. Adex eats your bones brother.Bump for an update and a big thank you!
Wanted to take a moment and thank all of you that commented in this thread.
I've since discontinued armidex entirely and went to a low dose of Aromasin. I am now 2.5 wks into 200 mast along with my 250 test and I'm LOVING it. 50mg per day proviron is still in there as well. All I can say is wow!
So thank you to everyone for all your help!
@Vision Bro, Thank you!!
I see why I'm hurting for a day or 2 after taking...thought it just lowered my estrogen to much.anyways why I barely take it,only sometimes when running over 500mg test.Good decision. Adex eats your bones brother.
Look it up on PubMed.I see why I'm hurting for a day or 2 after taking...thought it just lowered my estrogen to much.anyways why I barely take it,only sometimes when running over 500mg test.
Will do..already ordered me aromasin.i don't need any more loss of bone.had that issues years ago when I broke my back.dr put me on 40,000ius of vitamin d.wasnt sure how aromasin worked,says it completely kills estrogen, I know need some to build muscle.Look it up on PubMed.
Its the #1 side effect: loss of bone density.
Aromasin is the way to go. Imo. Adex is an emergency AI for short term use, 1 week or less, if estro gets out of control.
Sadly, trt docs are trained to prescribe it. The gd pharma co.s know exactly what this shit does long term, and the FDA is ok with it (bc they are all former big P employees) they come from big pharma co.s, work on the FDA panel as schills, then go back to big pharma as VPs & Presidents. Its a racket.
100% doctors handed out like crazy, I asked my doctor to switch it up and he doesn't know about any other anti-estrogens, he pulls out his notepad and starts going on his Google.Look it up on PubMed.
Its the #1 side effect: loss of bone density.
Aromasin is the way to go. Imo. Adex is an emergency AI for short term use, 1 week or less, if estro gets out of control.
Sadly, trt docs are trained to prescribe it. The gd pharma co.s know exactly what this shit does long term, and the FDA is ok with it (bc they are all former big P employees) they come from big pharma co.s, work on the FDA panel as schills, then go back to big pharma as VPs & Presidents. Its a racket.
Yes, from the data that I have personally seen, it has the most success with neutralizing the aromatization without completely nuking it.So correct if I'm wrong..aromasin will completely stop test from aromitizing to estro,but it won't completely kill my estrogen?.never needed ai,but currently running about 600wk.only sometimes get sides.mast &proviron help,but get sides usually 24hrs after dosing.
With your last portion using mast and prov, some guys can actually get away with it but if you pulled blood work, you might be surprised at where your estro really is. Tighter you are, depending on genetics with enzymes, less AIs people would actually need. Let me reword that, some people could get away with using less..So correct if I'm wrong..aromasin will completely stop test from aromitizing to estro,but it won't completely kill my estrogen?.never needed ai,but currently running about 600wk.only sometimes get sides.mast &proviron help,but get sides usually 24hrs after dosing.
Great info,and analogies . Didn't know about the adex & tomaxifin issue.i have used just tamoxifen for flare up puffy nips in past.i have caber too hope I will not have to use it only running 350 npp with mast & proviron 600 test.so sides as of now little acne,but I can live with that for now.always been overzealous when it comes to anything feeling or looks with my nips.i was fat 26%+bf at 1 time don't want tits again. I'm under 10% now.conversion not strong but still always on mindWith your last portion using mast and prov, some guys can actually get away with it but if you pulled blood work, you might be surprised at where your estro really is. Tighter you are, depending on genetics with enzymes, less AIs people would actually need. Let me reword that, some people could get away with using less..
Those dosages that you were running are actually perfect man, anything more than that will demonstrate more side effects than actual returns.Great info,and analogies . Didn't know about the adex & tomaxifin issue.i have used just tamoxifen for flare up puffy nips in past.i have caber too hope I will not have to use it only running 350 npp with mast & proviron 600 test.so sides as of now little acne,but I can live with that for now.always been overzealous when it comes to anything feeling or looks with my nips.i was fat 26%+bf at 1 time don't want tits again. I'm under 10% now.conversion not strong but still always on mind