Masteron / Dr Todd Lee

[Maxwell]

@Astro95 Loved this post makes alot of sense

 

[Wiseguy]

I love both compounds but Primo for me its at a whole different level. Feeling of well being, very slow steady gains, very little if any sides, muscle bellies nice round and full, preserves muscle while on cutting cycle. With all that said I love Masteron 200mg with 200mg of test for trt. Perfect combo.

 

[Machforce1]

I love both compounds but Primo for me its at a whole different level. Feeling of well being, very slow steady gains, very little if any sides, muscle bellies nice round and full, preserves muscle while on cutting cycle. With all that said I love Masteron 200mg with 200mg of test for trt. Perfect combo.

How long do you normally run primo before you start noticing the effects you described?

 

[Wiseguy]

How long do you normally run primo before you start noticing the effects you described?

I run primo usually for 12 weeks at 400mg. Typically between week 2 and 3 full muscle bellies are pretty noticeable.

 

[RaiderStrong]

I run primo usually for 12 weeks at 400mg. Typically between week 2 and 3 full muscle bellies are pretty noticeable.

At double the price of Mast I hope it’s worth the cost of admission. Like I said, I’ve ran everything under the sun just never opened up the wallet for primo as I’ve heard it’s overrated. Personally if I was going to try primo I would try it first with a test/mast/primo combo.

 

[Wiseguy]

At double the price of Mast I hope it’s worth the cost of admission. Like I said, I’ve ran everything under the sun just never opened up the wallet for primo as I’ve heard it’s overrated. Personally if I was going to try primo I would try it first with a test/mast/primo combo.

You have to remember my brother everyone has different goals, medical conditions, physics, age and list goes on. For example I never use Deca, Anadrol, Dbol all wet compounds to me and doesn't fit with my lifestyle. Sdrol is pure poison in my opinion but many love it and that's fine. In my opinion it's 100% worth it and my body responses extremely well to it.

 

[Glycomann]

Then some need to be educated on that very point. Bc I heard numerous ppl say that mast does indeed cause them to be “flat”.

Really I just want validation on not running primo. Right now it’s the supposed golden ticket in the industry but it’s also a killer on the wallet.

Do it systematically and stop acting like you have ADDHD. If you have ADDHD or some other affliction see a head doctor before you end upon 16 different PEDs. Run things like this systematically in successive cycles with the appropriate time off in between.

cycle
1. Test only
2. Test only
3. Test and anabolic 1 (i.e. deca)
4. Test and anabolic 2 (i.e equipoise)
5. Test and anabolic 3
ecetera ...ecetera...ecetera

 

[RaiderStrong]

Do it systematically and stop acting like you have ADDHD. If you have ADDHD or some other affliction see a head doctor before you end upon 16 different PEDs. Run things like this systematically in successive cycles with the appropriate time off in between.

cycle
1. Test only
2. Test only
3. Test and anabolic 1 (i.e. deca)
4. Test and anabolic 2 (i.e equipoise)
5. Test and anabolic 3
ecetera ...ecetera...ecetera

I don’t think you get it. I am 42. I am a seasoned vet when it comes to this stuff. Just not with primo.

The debate of primo vs mast is everywhere in this industry not just here with me. Just trying to settle the debate and why everyone right now is emptying out their wallets for this compound.

Also, thanks for making fun of ppl with ADDHD I guess….

 

[Bolan]

I don’t think you get it. I am 42. I am a seasoned vet when it comes to this stuff. Just not with primo.

The debate of primo vs mast is everywhere in this industry not just here with me. Just trying to settle the debate and why everyone right now is emptying out their wallets for this compound.

Also, thanks for making fun of ppl with ADDHD I guess….

Primo is ok.......Great for women. Will give you the 3D look if the dose is high enough...
Im a good sized guy and for me to see any benefit I have to be in the 600mg-1g range to see
any major changes. Primo is a VERY safe compound and wont skew your markers off too much.
Neither will Masteron.
Personally, since the price has gone up so much on Primo ( And Masteron)
I'd rather spend the money on Mast.

 

[Wiseguy]

I don’t think you get it. I am 42. I am a seasoned vet when it comes to this stuff. Just not with primo.

The debate of primo vs mast is everywhere in this industry not just here with me. Just trying to settle the debate and why everyone right now is emptying out their wallets for this compound.

Also, thanks for making fun of ppl with ADDHD I guess….

At the end of the day my friend nothing matters unless you try it and see how it works for you. Opinions are going to vary and there is no right or wrong. I will gladly empty out my wallet because it does wonders for me.
60 years old pic from two days ago.

 

[Meetketchup]

I don’t think you get it. I am 42. I am a seasoned vet when it comes to this stuff. Just not with primo.

The debate of primo vs mast is everywhere in this industry not just here with me. Just trying to settle the debate and why everyone right now is emptying out their wallets for this compound.

Also, thanks for making fun of ppl with ADDHD I guess….

Nobody is questioning your experience or knowledge. The point we're all trying to make (those of us who have ran it and have coached many people) is they are basically interchangeable. Most people wouldn't notice a difference between the two. So, no need to overthink things. If you want to try it, then try it.

 

[Sector.]

Mast is one of my favorite compounds. It’s in every single cycle, bulk or cut. Just feel amazing on it, libido through the roof, and the cosmetics, hardening, and vascularity are great.

Run enough test to grow, stack the rest of the cycle with mast or primo, and enjoy

Primo will put on more size than mast, mast isn’t really a growing compound, that’s why test should be the primary driver of growth. But primo isn’t worth being over 2x the price of mast.

 

[Meetketchup]

Mast is one of my favorite compounds. It’s in every single cycle, bulk or cut. Just feel amazing on it, libido through the roof, and the cosmetics, hardening, and vascularity are great.

Run enough test to grow, stack the rest of the cycle with mast or primo, and enjoy

Primo will put on more size than mast, mast isn’t really a growing compound, that’s why test should be the primary driver of growth. But primo isn’t worth being over 2x the price of mast.

Agree with everything you said except the bolded part. Generally, I haven't found this to be the case. May have you a tad fuller with glycogen/water, but that doesn't equate to size in the long run.

 

[RaiderStrong]

Agree with everything you said except the bolded part. Generally, I haven't found this to be the case. May have you a tad fuller with glycogen/water, but that doesn't equate to size in the long run.

And the debate continues……

 

[Wiseguy]

You will never have a clear answer on this. Again, its all about the individual and how well they respond to each compound.

 

[Meetketchup]

And the debate continues……

Geez dude. If you want to get in the weeds of a few percent difference in possible gains, have at it. Run both separately and see which one you prefer. Nobody else's opinion is going to or should matter at that point.

The body is not a textbook.

 

[RaiderStrong]

That comment was meant to be sarcasm.

I’m good with riding with my test/mast and not spending more than double on primo.

Thank you guys for reassuring me that it’s not worth the extra cash.

 

[GrindingGray]

Bc from what I’ve heard mast is trash for growth and primo is the SECRET sauce. lol

You (I’m assuming) did your research before starting and are seeing good results so I don’t see why you would suddenly change things. Masteron is underrated in my opinion. Do what you had planned and swap the masteron for primo next cycle and compare for yourself. Most of the time peoples recommendations regarding gear is based on personal experience and everyone responds differently.

 

[Wardamn]

I definitely carry more fullness mg to mg on primo over mast. All things equal.

I know its not just in my head as my wife and training partner both notice as well.

 

[Syntha Claus]

While we are at it, some other guy on the internet says that if you use 523mg of test in a cycle you get 7.357% more gainz.
I need to know because my diet and training are on point but gear is what matters.
I eat around 8 ounces of meats per meal along with a handful of nuts and a scoop of rice…precisely.

 

[domestic-supply]

No one is stepping on stage on 140mg test and a g of mast. I called out his bs recently and he just gets pissy. All his followers are part of some cult like they've found out some secret blasting mast only.

And what a 1g of Test gives precontest? Better look? I doubt it
I had perfect experice with NO Test at all and tons of anabolics such as Winstrol, Masteron, Tren, Turinabol combined together. Test will never give you that hard as a rock Winstrol look
If you are big enough and want to improve your shape you dont need much Testosterone, just my 2 cents

 

[RaiderStrong]

I definitely carry more fullness mg to mg on primo over mast. All things equal.

I know its not just in my head as my wife and training partner both notice as well.

I do look/feel flat with the mast but being in a growth phase I just have to play with carbs more to keep the fuller look. If not I feel/look flat.

I do plan on inserting some npp at a low dose for joints and I feel that will help with the fullness a bit as well.

 

[Meetketchup]

And what a 1g of Test gives precontest? Better look? I doubt it
I had perfect experice with NO Test at all and tons of anabolics such as Winstrol, Masteron, Tren, Turinabol combined together. Test will never give you that hard as a rock Winstrol look
If you are big enough and want to improve your shape you dont need much Testosterone, just my 2 cents

Great post.

 

[Syntha Claus]

And what a 1g of Test gives precontest? Better look? I doubt it
I had perfect experice with NO Test at all and tons of anabolics such as Winstrol, Masteron, Tren, Turinabol combined together. Test will never give you that hard as a rock Winstrol look
If you are big enough and want to improve your shape you dont need much Testosterone, just my 2 cents

I think that if 140mg of test get you to nice levels, like 900+, then a gram of masteron would definitely improve your look.
I wonder how so many people who never stepped on stage, know what it requires?

"I don't compete, but I could if I wanted to..." strikes again.

 

[Battousai]

And what a 1g of Test gives precontest? Better look? I doubt it
I had perfect experice with NO Test at all and tons of anabolics such as Winstrol, Masteron, Tren, Turinabol combined together. Test will never give you that hard as a rock Winstrol look
If you are big enough and want to improve your shape you dont need much Testosterone, just my 2 cents

That's prep though, different context

 

[Wiseguy]

"I don't compete, but I could if I wanted to..." strikes again.

My brother sometimes I think we live in the same town.

 

[domestic-supply]

That's prep though, different context

Sure, if youre bulking up then Test is a king. If you want to get shredded then you can skip it if you like.

 

[Glycomann]

I don’t think you get it. I am 42. I am a seasoned vet when it comes to this stuff. Just not with primo.

The debate of primo vs mast is everywhere in this industry not just here with me. Just trying to settle the debate and why everyone right now is emptying out their wallets for this compound.

Also, thanks for making fun of ppl with ADDHD I guess….

. Yes, I am an asshole and completely insensitive. Your earlier posts painted you as a newcomer to this.

 

[Wiseguy]

That comment was meant to be sarcasm.

I’m good with riding with my test/mast and not spending more than double on primo.

Thank you guys for reassuring me that it’s not worth the extra cash.

Ill end my responses with this. Every single gear is going to have a different effect based on the individuals condition, training, diet, experience, goals, medical conditions and quality of gear. No one is right or wrong and its your money spend it any way you want it if the gear works perfect for you. This is not a cookie cutter. Me personally I wouldn't spend a penny on NPP, Dbol, Deca, Sdrol, Adrol because they don't work with my life style and goals.
Again no right or wrong. If it works for you great and go at it, but just because it doesn't its not a waste of money for others that do work. Be safe my friends. . Off to the next topic.

 

[Syntha Claus]

Last year I was on 300 mast p and 500 cyp per week. Somenofbyounwill remember that my then, very incompetentncoach, told me to pop a milligram of anastrozole per day without asking for bloodvwork.

About a month after starting this cycle I did blood work.
My E2 was 26.
I have never been a big converter but this was ridiculously low. Mast was the only new variable for me.
I am using only 200/week of mast p this year and my E2 is in the 50s.

I can only contribute this phenomenon to the mast doing some AI thing.