If you had to suddenly stop without PCT

[codem]

If you had to suddenly stop all compounds for three months with no PCT, no compounds, no supplements.

What would you do? How bad would it be?

 

[heavyiron]

Up my cholesterol, eat in a small surplus. Done it a dozen times or so. It was easy. However I was young.

 

[LiverKing01]

Alot on here would probably just kill themselves. All those years to pack on size. gone with a blink of an eye. Just look at Dave Bautista amazing transfromation through hard work as he says. Geez, just put down the heavy weights and steroids. Go into calorie deficit. Fuck it. Yes very healthy and good on him though. Most don't give a shit whether they live or die. I don't.
Come too think of it, I think my grandma was buried in the same suit and jewelry Dave wearing

Dave Bautista's dramatic weight loss of about 75 pounds happened over several months in 2024, dropping from around 315 lbs (after bulking for Knock at the Cabin) down to roughly 240 lbs, achieved through intense training, calorie restriction (around 2,500 calories daily), and incorporating Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, motivated by wanting more versatile acting roles and feeling "uncomfortably big".

 

[Ziath11]

Had to go through this silly thing called incarceration. It’s shit and I wouldn’t wish a random cycle end with out PCT on anyone. Not to mention it isn’t exactly easy to maintain a high protein diet in this scenario. That photo above is hilarious that’s how I went in and basically came out.

 

[GiantSlayer3]

I would up my vitamin D intake if possible this time of year . I'd take tongkat ali and stinging nettle .
If that wasn't possible id probably wait til I could get some pct then do an aggressive protocol

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[Glycomann]

I did it over and over and over again because I use to cycle on and off. I'm one of the few on this board that has gone off for years at a time. You suffer for a while and then if your HPTA recovers you go back to normal with some added mass compared to before you juiced up. But the hypogonadal part sucks and it has lasted me over a year. Yeah we didn't have PCT way back in the day.

 

[GYMnTONIC]

Had to go through this silly thing called incarceration. It’s shit and I wouldn’t wish a random cycle end with out PCT on anyone. Not to mention it isn’t exactly easy to maintain a high protein diet in this scenario. That photo above is hilarious that’s how I went in and basically came out.

I had to do the same thing but in jail I told them I would call my lawyer for medical neglect. They tested my T levels and of course I was like 90 n/dL.

They prescribed me 50mgs per week. (Better then nothing) But I was on legit TRT in jail. .funny bc the doctor the first day read my file and said wait you're in jail for steroids and they're giving you the same thing and the State is paying? I said yep and I'm at the gym here 7 days a week lifting.

The doctor said this makes no sense...he couldnt believe his own eyes. Shows you how much of a failure the entire system is.

 

[DadBod45]

I did it once because my wife wanted me to try to get Dr prescribed trt. My levels dropped to 72 and wouldn’t recover any higher so the Dr wanted me to go to a specialist and get a bunch of tests ran ect…..at that point I starting using a hormone clinic for a couple of years.

I was fine mentally but sexually nothing was happening without viagra/cialis. At that time I had been out of the gym for a couple of years so no gains were harmed lol.

 

[Glycomann]

You guys don't seem to recover like we did in the 80s and 90s when it was normal to cycle on and off. You guys just stay on some level of stuff perpetually. Probably most of you blast and cruisers are fucked. I went off 1.5 years ago for a few months and still recovered to 470 and I'm 64.

 

[DadBod45]

You guys don't seem to recover like we did in the 80s and 90s when it was normal to cycle on and off. You guys just stay on some level of stuff perpetually. Probably most of you blast and cruisers are fucked. I went off 1.5 years ago for a few months and still recovered to 470 and I'm 64.

My total t level before I ever started using UGL test was 175 at 27yrs old.

 

[Dyno]

If you had to suddenly stop all compounds for three months with no PCT, no compounds, no supplements.

What would you do? How bad would it be?

I started TRT at 41yrs old. First time ever using gear.

Progressed to moderately high cycles (maxed out at around 1.5grams combined compounds) over the next year and a half or so after that. Dropped everything completely due to some outside stressors and within 3 months was back to 70% of my natty levels.

For reference, before I started TRT my natural test was slightly over 1,000ng/dl Total Test ; with no PCT I got back up to 700 in 3 months. Wasn’t training much during that time either or really taking any supplementation.

Probably greatly depends on genetics, duration, dosage, etc.

I went back on after that 3 month period and intend to stay on forever.

 

[Glycomann]

My total t level before I ever started using UGL test was 175 at 27yrs old.

Did you use prohormones or anything that would disrupt your HPTA?

 

[Glycomann]

I started TRT at 41yrs old. First time ever using gear.

Progressed to moderately high cycles (maxed out at around 1.5grams combined compounds) over the next year and a half or so after that. Dropped everything completely due to some outside stressors and within 3 months was back to 70% of my natty levels.

For reference, before I started TRT my natural test was slightly over 1,000ng/dl Total Test ; with no PCT I got back up to 700 in 3 months. Wasn’t training much during that time either or really taking any supplementation.

Probably greatly depends on genetics, duration, dosage, etc.

I went back on after that 3 month period and intend to stay on forever.

That's great. There is a higher probability to recover if starting use after 26 when the HPTA has fully imprinted.

 

[Downtown1984]

I started TRT at 41yrs old. First time ever using gear.

Progressed to moderately high cycles (maxed out at around 1.5grams combined compounds) over the next year and a half or so after that. Dropped everything completely due to some outside stressors and within 3 months was back to 70% of my natty levels.

For reference, before I started TRT my natural test was slightly over 1,000ng/dl Total Test ; with no PCT I got back up to 700 in 3 months. Wasn’t training much during that time either or really taking any supplementation.

Probably greatly depends on genetics, duration, dosage, etc.

I went back on after that 3 month period and intend to stay on forever.

At 41 your natural test was 1000+ and you started TRT? Why? What test levels are you walking around at while on TRT?

 

[Dyno]

At 41 your natural test was 1000+ and you started TRT? Why? What test levels are you walking around at while on TRT?

Because I wanted to start using gear, didn’t know much about it at the time and started with TRT. We all know the TRT mills will write anybody a 200mg/week script.

I never intended to just be on TRT and am currently on a full cycle.

As another reference for my family history. My dad just had major surgeries to remove internal organs and his entire omentum, and is almost 70 yrs old and earlier in his life did use gear , but has not for quite a while.

Had his total test this year at >1,000ng/dl.

 

[DadBod45]

Did you use prohormones or anything that would disrupt your HPTA?

No sir. Dr said it’s probably something i had been dealing with my entire life. I didn’t have insurance at the time so I decided to stop there and not get any further testing to actually determine why.

Once I started thinking about it, it made sense tho. At no matter what weight, I always had fat around my mid section. My belly was the same size at 150lbs as it was at 190lbs. I had sexual problems that got worse, which was the reason I went to the doc at 27.

I guess at one point in time, I was 3” away from being a woman

 

[heavyiron]

You guys don't seem to recover like we did in the 80s and 90s when it was normal to cycle on and off. You guys just stay on some level of stuff perpetually. Probably most of you blast and cruisers are fucked. I went off 1.5 years ago for a few months and still recovered to 470 and I'm 64.

We were eating high cholesterol diets back then. Building block for T.

2 whole eggs in the morning and a small portion of red meat goes a long ways.

Diets today are cereal and sugar based with low fats. Utter garbage. Typical American diets today are garbage for building LBM.

With modern sups and cholesterol these guys should recover no problem. Obviously there are other environmental factors.

 

[Rot-Iron66]

Im only on 70mg of Test (TRT) and stopped for 8 weeks... Nothing happened...
Test went down, got the best bloods ive ever gotten, and went back on my TRT rite after...

I imagine those on boat-loads with tons of water-bloat might see more changes, but dont worry, you'll live...

 

[Glycomann]

We were eating high cholesterol diets back then. Building block for T.

2 whole eggs in the morning and a small portion of red meat goes a long ways.

Diets today are cereal and sugar based with low fats. Utter garbage. Typical American diets today are garbage for building LBM.

With modern sups and cholesterol these guys should recover no problem. Obviously there are other environmental factors.

I think it's that plus the poisons in the environment crushing T-levels plus all the users today starting earlier and never coming off and, for those that might have a chance to recover, not having the tolerance for the uncomfortable months it takes to turn HPTA back on.

 

[codem]

Well I have to take a break off for 3 months due to jail. And I wasnt prepared to PCT, was planning on cruising.

Last year my test levels were fluctuating too much and lower than normal. But I also just found out I have Hypothyroidism which could have contributed to it and stress.

I don't know if I can convince the doctor to give me testosterone testing a month in.

 

[Dyno]

Well I have to take a break off for 3 months due to jail. And I wasnt prepared to PCT, was planning on cruising.

Last year my test levels were fluctuating too much and lower than normal. But I also just found out I have Hypothyroidism which could have contributed to it and stress.

I don't know if I can convince the doctor to give me testosterone testing a month in.

Test Undecanoate might get you through a decent portion of that time.

 

[Ziath11]

My total t level before I ever started using UGL test was 175 at 27yrs old.

Holy shit I thought mine was bad at 230 in my 20s… went in for a blood test since I hadn’t seen a doctor in years. After the results he called me up and the first thing he asked was if I was able to get an erection. Dude was amazed then proceeded to tell me I had the testosterone of a dying old man. But life is good now no complaints living on TRT.

 

[Ziath11]

We were eating high cholesterol diets back then. Building block for T.

2 whole eggs in the morning and a small portion of red meat goes a long ways.

Diets today are cereal and sugar based with low fats. Utter garbage. Typical American diets today are garbage for building LBM.

With modern sups and cholesterol these guys should recover no problem. Obviously there are other environmental factors.

It’s definitely something that has interested me especially since my hormones were so jacked up in my 20s. But my dr seems to attribute the terrible results to years of serious alcohol and drug abuse. Probably a number of other things involved that we won’t find out about for another 20-50 years.

 

[codem]

It’s definitely something that has interested me especially since my hormones were so jacked up in my 20s. But my dr seems to attribute the terrible results to years of serious alcohol and drug abuse. Probably a number of other things involved that we won’t find out about for another 20-50 years.

Drug use most definitely isn't good on your hormones.

 

[Milford King]

If you had to suddenly stop all compounds for three months with no PCT, no compounds, no supplements.

What would you do? How bad would it be?

Done it a bunch. It’s not a big deal. Just a bit more tired and unmotivated.

It’s actually good for ya to come off once in a while. Humbling and let’s you see the real world.

 

[AR-15]

If you had to suddenly stop all compounds for three months with no PCT, no compounds, no supplements.

What would you do? How bad would it be?

That’s happened to me before. Yes it was because of an unfortunate incident with the law. lol At the time it sucked cause I was 3/4 of the way through a growing cycle and I basically had to sit in jail while my gains went to shit. Luckily before it all went to shit I got moved to where there was a gym and my celly worked in the kitchen so I got to eat like a champ and not loose everything.

I lost my sex drive too which was a huge plus while in prison.

So yeah for me it wasn’t great but it wasn’t the worst thing

 

[codem]

That’s happened to me before. Yes it was because of an unfortunate incident with the law. lol At the time it sucked cause I was 3/4 of the way through a growing cycle and I basically had to sit in jail while my gains went to shit. Luckily before it all went to shit I got moved to where there was a gym and my celly worked in the kitchen so I got to eat like a champ and not loose everything.

I lost my sex drive too which was a huge plus while in prison.

So yeah for me it wasn’t great but it wasn’t the worst thing

How do you think you feel to come off no PCT if you were to get into a fight? I ain't looking to get in a fight with no one but you never know. I'll be in there 3 months during the winter some retarded homeless crazy might piss me off in there to avoid the winter.

 

[AR-15]

How do you think you feel to come off no PCT if you were to get into a fight? I ain't looking to get in a fight with no one but you never know. I'll be in there 3 months during the winter some retarded homeless crazy might piss me off in there to avoid the winter.

For me I don’t think it would matter how I felt.. I mean I may not feel like I’m at 100% but if some scumbag wants to go knuckle and skulls with me then low test ain’t gonna ruin my fun. Especially in prison.

I mean I did manage to still get into one “skuffle” while I was there. Yes only one and I can tell you this. Low testosterone or not I went hard on dude. They knew my background so I had to prove a point to the Homies. Their representative squared up on the wrong dude in the restroom that day. The restroom is where all the scheduled combat took place. No cameras and they would have like 50 dudes keeping an eye out for the guards. Too funny.

Fuck him. I was always told that if you get into a fight in prison and you win everyone will give you some respect but there will always be guys that want to try you. However if you get into a fight in prison and you really hurt the other dude nobody will intentionally fuck with you.

 

[codem]

For me I don’t think it would matter how I felt.. I mean I may not feel like I’m at 100% but if some scumbag wants to go knuckle and skulls with me then low test ain’t gonna ruin my fun. Especially in prison.

I mean I did manage to still get into one “skuffle” while I was there. Yes only one and I can tell you this. Low testosterone or not I went hard on dude. They knew my background so I had to prove a point to the Homies. Their representative squared up on the wrong dude in the restroom that day. The restroom is where all the scheduled combat took place. No cameras and they would have like 50 dudes keeping an eye out for the guards. Too funny.

Fuck him. I was always told that if you get into a fight in prison and you win everyone will give you some respect but there will always be guys that want to try you. However if you get into a fight in prison and you really hurt the other dude nobody will intentionally fuck with you.

I havent done much time in county, havent really had many altercations. But I'm older and I get irritable faster and a lot quicker to jump on someone's shit.

But yeah you're right, fights always happen in the bathrooms, usually the shower in this jail.

And yeah if I'm risking being told on and doing more time for a fight I'm going to 100% not stop until I beat them senseless or I'm beat senseless.

 

[heckler7]

smuggle M1T pills in your butt, no homo