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I don't understand Enclomiphene.

CarvinDC125

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So I do understand how enclomiphene works at a high level. I know it lowers IGF-1, yet can raise natural HGH levels for some, and for other it might kill them from a stroke. But here's what's confusing me, in looking into this stuff I found several people saying it work GREAT for about three months then their E began to raise and did not stop raising until they discontinued Enclomiphene. A few chimed in saying theirs got way too high and they had to be prescribed an AI to get it back down even AFTER discontinuing it for months. Now normally I would say, oh you must have gotten ripped off and got Clomid (Clomiphene) instead of Enclomiphene, but most everyone in that subreddit had gotten it prescribed to them from one of those online places you see like Hones.
Another thing you don't see at all online is people using HGH with Enclomiphene. It might actually be beneficial I would think, but the weirdest one of all I found was places like Hones and Hims often prescriber 160mg test C split to 80mg twice a week with 6-25 to 12.5mg of Enclomiphene daily. And even weirder is a really not so common way to lower Estrogen and Test if it gets too high on Enclomiphene by taking 25mg Anavar 3-4 times a week. It normally would shut you down but I guess if your Natural test got to 2000 from enclomiphene it apparently just knocks you down to around 900...Stuff is WEIRD!!!! How can E raise on it when it's supposed to suppress E? I know regular clomid will eventually raise E if you take it longer than 8 weeks of so, but Enclomiphene is supposed to by nature lower E. According to one person the bod can over compensate so much it can breakt through the drug and cause E to rise...Anyone here know anything about this stuff? I was thinking about taking it with HGH just to see if I would wake up dead or not, but I don't know now...I don't like High E sides...Last time I had that I was getting hot flashes like a women going through menopause
 
Enclomiphene is a SERM, not an AI. So it will not suppress E2 formation. In fact, it it raises testosterone some of that will convert to E2. As a SERM, it will selectively block estrogen receptors in some tissues, like the hypothalamus and pituitary. That's how it works to increase LH.

I have read similar from personal accounts that estrogen raised too much. I used it for about 6 weeks and it didn't work any better than regular clomid but my nads are old stomped raisins.
 
enclomiphene can be used like trt and ?I think used like hcg during a cycle, I see lots of info on enclomiphene as an alternative to HCG, there are differences. Seem like enclomiphene would be good pct also.
 
It’s sucks don’t use it. Damages your eyes, blood clotting is a side effect. Inject testosterone brother
 
CarvinDC125 said:
So I do understand how enclomiphene works at a high level. I know it lowers IGF-1, yet can raise natural HGH levels for some, and for other it might kill them from a stroke. But here's what's confusing me, in looking into this stuff I found several people saying it work GREAT for about three months then their E began to raise and did not stop raising until they discontinued Enclomiphene. A few chimed in saying theirs got way too high and they had to be prescribed an AI to get it back down even AFTER discontinuing it for months. Now normally I would say, oh you must have gotten ripped off and got Clomid (Clomiphene) instead of Enclomiphene, but most everyone in that subreddit had gotten it prescribed to them from one of those online places you see like Hones.
Another thing you don't see at all online is people using HGH with Enclomiphene. It might actually be beneficial I would think, but the weirdest one of all I found was places like Hones and Hims often prescriber 160mg test C split to 80mg twice a week with 6-25 to 12.5mg of Enclomiphene daily. And even weirder is a really not so common way to lower Estrogen and Test if it gets too high on Enclomiphene by taking 25mg Anavar 3-4 times a week. It normally would shut you down but I guess if your Natural test got to 2000 from enclomiphene it apparently just knocks you down to around 900...Stuff is WEIRD!!!! How can E raise on it when it's supposed to suppress E? I know regular clomid will eventually raise E if you take it longer than 8 weeks of so, but Enclomiphene is supposed to by nature lower E. According to one person the bod can over compensate so much it can breakt through the drug and cause E to rise...Anyone here know anything about this stuff? I was thinking about taking it with HGH just to see if I would wake up dead or not, but I don't know now...I don't like High E sides...Last time I had that I was getting hot flashes like a women going through menopause
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Don't bother. Test, aromasin, Provi
 
I know a guy who’s been using enclomiphene for TRT long term and he feels good, and hasnt had any issues.

I’ve been on enclomiphene for 6-8 months now. Came off prescribed TRT because my fertility was shot and my wife and I are trying to have a baby. Feel better on enclomiphene than I did on clomid. Haven’t had any issues with enclomiphene. Bloodwork shows everything in normal ranges except my GH is very low but IGF-1 is ok. Not sure what that’s about. But it sucks compared to test. Going back on TRT soon.
 
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I had a conversation with a guy from work yesterday who is looking to start TRT. He is 58yo. He has a buddy who is using enclomiphene and hyped it up to him while I expressed that if you have low T why don’t you use T like the majority…like me. We went in and out what each one does and so on but ultimately he doesn’t want to do injections. I told him that nobody does but you get used to it and it just becomes a simple chore. He is steadfast on enclomiphene. Some people just not willing to take the injections step.
 
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JACKED_ said:
It’s sucks don’t use it. Damages your eyes, blood clotting is a side effect. Inject testosterone brother
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I agree with you it’s a bad compound.
If Test is making you aromatize to estrogen that causes problems I like MASTRON to use with it 2-1 ratio and it drys you up. To the OP I would keep arimidex on hand but don’t crash your estrogen because you will not be happy.

You could use MASTRON with Ralo and see how the estrogen levels in the blood.
 
Coach Anderson said:
I agree with you it’s a bad compound.
If Test is making you aromatize to estrogen that causes problems I like MASTRON to use with it 2-1 ratio and it drys you up. To the OP I would keep arimidex on hand but don’t crash your estrogen because you will not be happy.

You could use MASTRON with Ralo and see how the estrogen levels in the blood.
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I’m not looking to use it outside maybe as a pct. Was just confused as to why people use it for TRT if eventually it will cause estrogen to go high.
 
Everyone reacts different to it. I might try it out sometime in the future for pct/trt if wanting to take a brake from shots.
 

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