Has anyone successfully bulked with Tren?

[VladDracul]

I've heard on many forums I've browsed and lurked on that some folks prefer to bulk with Tren, basically because it's impossible to gain any significant bodyfat and because it's stupid powerful.

I haven't really had any success with it. I have recom'd with it! My weight stayed exactly the same, but I lost a good amount of bodyfat and made some significant strength gains. It was pretty remarkable. I actually hate Tren, it kills my appetite and I'm always drenched. Don't get the Tren rage thing, luckily...but damn does it work as advertised...

Has anyone here actually ran a successful bulk with this compound?

 

[Vision]

That word "successful bulk" could go many ways.
I personally haven't experienced the desired results when it was used in a bulk. Not that I was attempting to become sloppy, but it hindered a lot of the desired size I was going for. The scale stayed the same, and made some pretty decent changes, at the same time improving my body composition.
It turned out to be more of a recomp if anything.
Tren + Bulk + success is to broad of a question.
I suppose this would come down to the type of bulk people are trying to achieve.
If someone is attempting to fill out their sleeves, while at the same time not minding a little bit of added fluff, it certainly isn't ideal.

 

[Wiseguy]

Agree with @Vision. IMO it is the completely wrong gear to put on pure bulk. Perfect for recomp and cutting. Have to understand the gear and what its purpose is.

That is strictly based on my personal experience. I am sure many will disagree.

 

[Vision]

Agree with @Vision. IMO it is the completely wrong gear to put on pure bulk. Perfect for recomp and cutting. Have to understand the gear and what its purpose is.

That is strictly based on my personal experience. I am sure many will disagree.

100%.

Clearly for obvious reasons we all know that certain compounds truly will favor particular environments that we are putting our body in, tren being a complete nutrient gobbler it will completely and utterly annihilate all nutrients coming in, and anything after that, it's going right to the adipose tissue (That portion isn't necessarily a bad thing). But it just changes the whole dynamics with the metabolic rate and nutrition partitioning.
Heck, fasted cardio, with modern amounts of cardio time could do the same job during a bulk while at the same time keeping the metabolism and appetite strong and somewhat on fire with supporting a completely different type of nutrition partitioning that's more in favor, while keeping someone from getting sloppy (within reason) while burning some fat or maintaining a body composition while gaining.
There's times I've seen guys mention adding clean to a bulk.
I'm simply not understanding that.

Why add compounds that are known to reduce, when someone's trying to increase?

 

[Wiseguy]

IMO the bulking mis understanding is that it gives you super human strength and aggression and some think that will give them the extra push to lift heavy and put on mass. But on the contrary if its killing calories that doesn't work. Also, I find that I can lift heavier on sust than tren, so go figure. Also, lack of energy on tren if you are not disciplined will kill your workout. Any way we agree its not the right choice for bulking.

 

[Vision]

IMO the bulking mis understanding is that it gives you super human strength and aggression and some think that will give them the extra push to lift heavy and put on mass. But on the contrary if its killing calories that doesn't work. Also, I find that I can lift heavier on sust than tren, so go figure. Also, lack of energy on tren if you are not disciplined will kill your workout. Any way we agree its not the right choice for bulking.

Right on, When something is completely annihilating and gobbling up nutrients and calories, it's not going to give that individual that desired environment that you're mentioning. There should be a sticky made about these types of instances, circumstances and the difference with all sorts of environments. Historically, never have I ever gained any strength when there was the lack of nutrients. Cardio and endurance is different, But even endurance was taking a hit. Never have I gained strength or sustained strength, maintaining it or anything when nutrients were being used and partitioned elsewhere (Right into the mouth of the beast).
For guys that are eating 5K and using tren successfully. Bless their hearts, That's something I could never do even during "my" best years.

 

[Meetketchup]

Agree with the great posts above. Tren shines when in moderate to severe calorie deficit to hold/preserve muscle and add aggression to get through workouts. That's why competitors use it in the last week of prep.

 

[rawbuilt]

tren would make putting on weight even harder cause it would create such a higher calorie demand

you would just be burning thru everything

 

[Castaway]

I've heard on many forums I've browsed and lurked on that some folks prefer to bulk with Tren, basically because it's impossible to gain any significant bodyfat and because it's stupid powerful.

I haven't really had any success with it. I have recom'd with it! My weight stayed exactly the same, but I lost a good amount of bodyfat and made some significant strength gains. It was pretty remarkable. I actually hate Tren, it kills my appetite and I'm always drenched. Don't get the Tren rage thing, luckily...but damn does it work as advertised...

Has anyone here actually ran a successful bulk with this compound?

What dose of tren? Tren Ace or Enanthate? Tren is harsh for sure but I rarely hear anyone say they don't see results

 

[VladDracul]

I misspoke. I didn't mean to imply that I didn't see results from it, just that I've never really been able to successfully pack on significant mass, aka "bulk", on it

 

[Castaway]

I misspoke. I didn't mean to imply that I didn't see results from it, just that I've never really been able to successfully pack on significant mass, aka "bulk", on it

Ahh, I gotcha. Yea tren for me has always been dry gains but strong as shit. Deca without the bloat...but tren can be NASTY!
Last time I ran tren I was on no ester tren....wow, the chest cough was vicious!! Lotta sweating too....hence the 'dry" look

 

[VladDracul]

the thing about "dry" gains is that they're more solid. You know it's solid, lean muscle and don't have to question how much of it is bloat or intramuscular water or just excess fat. Even a clean bulk can result in some residual fat gain, maybe not much, but some.

"dry" compounds make that exceedingly difficult

 

[Castaway]

the thing about "dry" gains is that they're more solid. You know it's solid, lean muscle and don't have to question how much of it is bloat or intramuscular water or just excess fat. Even a clean bulk can result in some residual fat gain, maybe not much, but some.

"dry" compounds make that exceedingly difficult

perfect way to say that

 

[Theotherone55]

Too many absolutes being said here.

If you didnt reach your bulk goals by using Tren and were "recomping too much," that means you werent eating enough food. Simple as that. I know a ton of BBers who use it in a bulk and a ton who only use it preontest. It basically comes down to your own personal goals. If your goal is to gain as much mass as possible, body composition not being a huge thing, maybe tren needs to be taken very low or not at all. If the goal is to gain LBM, minimal fat gain, tren can be a necessary tool.

Tren's harshness needs to be taken into account too. Most guys dont want the stress tren causes allll year round, knowing than tren is kinda of a necessary evil for dieting. So with that, most guys would only want to use it for precontest/dieting. Also, can you handle the side effects. I know i was listening to Nate Spear talking about his offseason cycle right now and he's using 1g Tren E + 1g+ Test E. But again, he can handle it.

 

[Sirchon]

I was pretty big on tren, lean big. I got called out for using 'steroids' a lot.

 

[DisgruntledJimmy]

Yes. I've had a successful bulk cycle with tren involved. It took an insane amount of calories to get there though as I quickly realized tren is extremely hungry for nutrients. My caloric intake skyrocketed and it took me a few weeks to find the new sweet spot for growth. I don't mind forcing food into myself so that cycle played out with good results.

 

[AR-15]

That word "successful bulk" could go many ways.
I personally haven't experienced the desired results when it was used in a bulk. Not that I was attempting to become sloppy, but it hindered a lot of the desired size I was going for. The scale stayed the same, and made some pretty decent changes, at the same time improving my body composition.
It turned out to be more of a recomp if anything.
Tren + Bulk + success is to broad of a question.
I suppose this would come down to the type of bulk people are trying to achieve.
If someone is attempting to fill out their sleeves, while at the same time not minding a little bit of added fluff, it certainly isn't ideal.

I mean I’ve used Tren in many bulk cycles. I have been able to gain a little weight while using it but definitely not the 12 or 15lbs I might get from better suited compounds. But what’s the difference? Tren in the cycle I still build muscle and only gain 5lbs maybe but keep that muscle. Run something like dust,Dbol and Deca and yeah I’ll probably gain 10lbs but Inend up dropping five of those pounds post cycle. I basically end up at the same weight regardless
To me my diet really controls the desired effect from a cycle I’m running. Yeah there are compounds more suitable for bulking or cutting but at the end of the day the type and amount of food I consume drives the train. The drugs are needed but imo are secondary to achieve a bulk or cut. To be totally honest I don’t even use the terms bulk or cut anymore. I run whatever compounds work well together in my experiences and eat like a pig. Train like a mad man and just try to put on as much muscle I possible for how ever many weeks I’m enhanced.

BTW great tread with a ton of really good responses and info given.

 

[Vision]

I mean I’ve used Tren in many bulk cycles. I have been able to gain a little weight while using it but definitely not the 12 or 15lbs I might get from better suited compounds. But what’s the difference? Tren in the cycle I still build muscle and only gain 5lbs maybe but keep that muscle. Run something like dust,Dbol and Deca and yeah I’ll probably gain 10lbs but Inend up dropping five of those pounds post cycle. I basically end up at the same weight regardless
To me my diet really controls the desired effect from a cycle I’m running. Yeah there are compounds more suitable for bulking or cutting but at the end of the day the type and amount of food I consume drives the train. The drugs are needed but imo are secondary to achieve a bulk or cut. To be totally honest I don’t even use the terms bulk or cut anymore. I run whatever compounds work well together in my experiences and eat like a pig. Train like a mad man and just try to put on as much muscle I possible for how ever many weeks I’m enhanced.

BTW great tread with a ton of really good responses and info given.

Right on man.
This is the part where I will say that I hate my genetics.
For obvious reasons that I mentioned, and some of the things that you mentioned that were potentials, were definitely real life factors for me. The mirror certainly made the changes, and could have been argued that I put on size, but the scale would have said otherwise. Man honestly, I cannot believe that there is actually a time that I looked forward to this stuff. There was a blend I used a long time ago "trenE/trenA" and I thought it was the best stuff since sliced bread.
Looking back in my mental notes which are very foggy (wish I had a scrapbook), I was not eating in the surplus, so all I was doing realistically was changing body composition. Very effectively.
To a degree I could eat just about whatever I wanted then, and I did, lots of cookie dough ice cream in the evenings, to the point I was sick. Wish I would have took things a bit more serious then with daily macros, rather than relying on drugs.

 

[Theotherone55]

People keep on rolling with this claim that "the scale didnt move."
EAAT MORE.

Yes tren is a fantastic repartioner but INCREASE CALORIES. Simple as that. Test does the same thing. All of these drugs are supraphysiological doses increase our ability to digest and use food. hellll...GH does this THE BEST.
But coaches deal with this shit allll the time. If you are taking a certain amount of drugs and the scale isnt moving, you adjust and eat more. Simple. Im willing to bet you were doing your own nutrition and were stuck and didnt know what to do. Any logical coach would've said, "wow your maintenance is high right now and your body is a furnace...lets eat and grow." Guys take 10iu of GH and can basically eat whatever the fuck they want.....but u gotta eat more. I literally have a classic physique client right now that is eating high 5k cals on training days and high 4k on off days. Carbs are almost at 1000 on training days. When his weight plateau's we up cals....its the offseason and if the goal is to grow you HAVE TO DO THAT. You can't just say, "well im using tren, this is hard...guess i cant use this again." Adapt and move forward.

 

[BlackRain]

I tried a couple times, but I just couldn't out eat Tren. You got to eat fucking big time!! I was around 6500-7000 a day. Still getting leaner.

 

[Vision]

People keep on rolling with this claim that "the scale didnt move."
EAAT MORE.

Yes tren is a fantastic repartioner but INCREASE CALORIES. Simple as that. Test does the same thing. All of these drugs are supraphysiological doses increase our ability to digest and use food. hellll...GH does this THE BEST.
But coaches deal with this shit allll the time. If you are taking a certain amount of drugs and the scale isnt moving, you adjust and eat more. Simple. Im willing to bet you were doing your own nutrition and were stuck and didnt know what to do. Any logical coach would've said, "wow your maintenance is high right now and your body is a furnace...lets eat and grow." Guys take 10iu of GH and can basically eat whatever the fuck they want.....but u gotta eat more. I literally have a classic physique client right now that is eating high 5k cals on training days and high 4k on off days. Carbs are almost at 1000 on training days. When his weight plateau's we up cals....its the offseason and if the goal is to grow you HAVE TO DO THAT. You can't just say, "well im using tren, this is hard...guess i cant use this again." Adapt and move forward.

Well for people that have made the notion that the scale didn't move, I have seen it mentioned that they are openly admitting they haven't consumed more food.
Clearly and obviously people need to make the adjustments.
But this isn't a one-size-fits-all where the scale always has to move in order to make changes.
People get hung up on numbers.
There's BBers and hobbyist that I know that are for an example 205 pounders and fucking look like a 225'er.. if gaining weight and increasing numbers is the goal, naturally consuming more is the next logical approach. But not everyone carries themselves the same, or looks the same with particular body compositions.
I have seen coaches and dealt with coaches where their clients look phenomenal and from the start right up until some pretty decent progress pictures were displayed, the clients didn't budge much at all on the scale.
This simply comes down to goals.
If people are talking about numbers increasing, clearly more food. But if their body composition is displaying something else (getting fluffy or gaining fat in troubled areas, lower back, or Just under the glutes) I would be surprised if any coach would even consider that.
I think what you're missing here is the majority of people participating in the conversation are hobbyists. And even some hobbyist have coaches where the individual has no intent on competing. Having coaches, no one coaches and working with coaches is a learning process It doesn't have to be a competitive process.
Trust me, some guys can eat like a motherfucker, and I'm one of them.
On tren, I won't move the scale much, yet, let me wear a particular shirt or brand and color of my choice and I'll get questioned on what I'm running/ON..

 

[AR-15]

Well for people that have made the notion that the scale didn't move, I have seen it mentioned that they are openly admitting they haven't consumed more food.
Clearly and obviously people need to make the adjustments.
But this isn't a one-size-fits-all where the scale always has to move in order to make changes.
People get hung up on numbers.
There's BBers and hobbyist that I know that are for an example 205 pounders and fucking look like a 225'er.. if gaining weight and increasing numbers is the goal, naturally consuming more is the next logical approach. But not everyone carries themselves the same, or looks the same with particular body compositions.
I have seen coaches and dealt with coaches where their clients look phenomenal and from the start right up until some pretty decent progress pictures were displayed, the clients didn't budge much at all on the scale.
This simply comes down to goals.
If people are talking about numbers increasing, clearly more food. But if their body composition is displaying something else (getting fluffy or gaining fat in troubled areas, lower back, or Just under the glutes) I would be surprised if any coach would even consider that.
I think what you're missing here is the majority of people participating in the conversation are hobbyists. And even some hobbyist have coaches where the individual has no intent on competing. Having coaches, no one coaches and working with coaches is a learning process It doesn't have to be a competitive process.
Trust me, some guys can eat like a motherfucker, and I'm one of them.
On tren, I won't move the scale much, yet, let me wear a particular shirt or brand and color of my choice and I'll get questioned on what I'm running/ON..

Again this is an awesome thread. Great opinions and why each of you have them. That being said you know what else I got from this thread and a ton of others about Tren?
I feel bad for Tren. It gets blamed for just about everything that goes wrong with life while someone’s on it and it takes more black eyes than all the other steroids combined. Almost everyone hates it for one reason or another but yet almost everyone uses it. lol
Im retired now so it really doesn’t serve a purpose for me anymore but ill probably still use it here and there. I mean I sure found a reason to use it in every cycle I could until now. Bulk, cut, pre fight, post fight, winter, summer. I didn’t care. I loved the stuff and it served a purpose every cycle I used it in. Yeah probably not the smartest thing I’ve done over the years but I’m just being real. I have to laugh when I see normal dudes with normal jobs on here posting to the newbies that there is no reason to run Tren unless you’re getting ready for a BBing show. Then a few threads later they are posting about how their next cycle contains Tren in it. Really? WTF? Lol
Sorry didn’t mean to derail a good thread but that does make me laugh.