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Hammer and Bell Mast E Blind Test JANO!!

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SunburnedViking said:
You can’t really blame them bro.

There’s not enough profit margin in $250 primo and $150 mast to send a single vial for testing
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got on a peptide china supplier recently selling 2,000mg of Mast for $19 and 1k/2k Primo for $31/$55.

Not sure what the minimum is but I'd love to see what that tested out as. They have recent Jano reports, but still sus
 
Machforce1 said:
Thanks man. Hell now I don’t even trust the test C and E I bought from them. Might have that tested too. Fucking ridiculous that we have to do this.

I did pin 10 ius of their whatever-the-fuck-it-is-tropin yesterday morning and had blood drawn two hours later. I’ll post the results as soon as I have them.
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There was some recent IGF 1 testing someone pulled and their IGF 1 was lower on 2 IUs than naturally. I believe he is on the 40 IUs.
 
WED said:
Didn't we learn that batch/exp dates are just fake ore repeated?
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Order number helps us determine the APG shipment it was from, and date shipped out to customer. We are investigating this thoroughly.

Now there are 2 totally different results posted.

We are not the manufacturer, which is a fact that seems to still elude many members here.

We save nothing, nor earn any extra profits by a product being wrong, when we paid APG for 200mg Primo, we paid APG 200mg Primo prices for it.

We stepped up and absorbed all loses immediately, and the 694 posts about it definitely caused us to lose some business.
Hammer & Bell gained nothing, lost a LOT.

We did the right thing in a bad situation, and put our customers over profits.

Please be patient while we gather neccessary information. We are also waiting for secondary testing of our own from Analiza Labs.

Over 2 years of great testing, customer testing, blind testing, bloodwork and reviews from trusted vets here on APG products.

1 admitted issue from APG which we took care of immediately and fully.

As that prior issue illustrated, rushing to judgement is not wise.

Thank you to those who have remained patient. 🙂
 
Wardamn said:
There was some recent IGF 1 testing someone pulled and their IGF 1 was lower on 2 IUs than naturally. I believe he is on the 40 IUs.
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Season 6 Leslie GIF by Parks and Recreation
 
WED said:
got on a peptide china supplier recently selling 2,000mg of Mast for $19 and 1k/2k Primo for $31/$55.

Not sure what the minimum is but I'd love to see what that tested out as. They have recent Jano reports, but still sus
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Yeah that list isn’t updated. They’ve been sold out for 6+ weeks…
 
Hammer&Bell said:
Order number helps us determine the APG shipment it was from, and date shipped out to customer. We are investigating this thoroughly.

Now there are 2 totally different results posted.

We are not the manufacturer, which is a fact that seems to still elude many members here.

We save nothing, nor earn any extra profits by a product being wrong, when we paid APG for 200mg Primo, we paid APG 200mg Primo prices for it.

We stepped up and absorbed all loses immediately, and the 694 posts about it definitely caused us to lose some business.
Hammer & Bell gained nothing, lost a LOT.

We did the right thing in a bad situation, and put our customers over profits.

Please be patient while we gather neccessary information. We are also waiting for secondary testing of our own from Analiza Labs.

Over 2 years of great testing, customer testing, blind testing, bloodwork and reviews from trusted vets here on APG products.

1 admitted issue from APG which we took care of immediately and fully.

As that prior issue illustrated, rushing to judgement is not wise.

Thank you to those who have remained patient. 🙂
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Yeah, I was talking about numbers from the box. They are meaningless.

I was effected by the Primo and y'all did make it right.

Your supplier is fucking you and your reputation.
 
WED said:
Yeah, I was talking about numbers from the box. They are meaningless.

I was effected by the Primo and y'all did make it right.

Your supplier is fucking you and your reputation.
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I wonder who else sales Auctus Mast Enan. They all may want to double check
 
Halfi said:
I know but I didn’t see anything on bogo sales
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No, no sale on Mast right now.

Just different esters of Test, NPP, and Cardarine are on sale right now.

I just ordered again this week so I'm familiar with what's currently on sale.


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This is twice in less than two weeks with the same problem with two different compounds.

At this point, it's not an accident. It may not be in the source directly as their brewer could've been stealing Primo and brewing some to sell on the side, but if that's the case, he's been doing it for at least 12 months based on the fact they said they brewed batches big enough to last through 12 months of sales ( I don't know the exact time elapsed, but SB Labs was the one to figure this out). Even if this is the case, this is really bad because their brewer has been probably cutting anything expensive with testosterone for a long time.

If the source did it on purpose, that's obviously worse, but even the first situation is an absolute disaster.

They did the same thing before as a different source so I'm 95% sure the blame is on the source.

What do you guys believe ?

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AR-15 said:
Fuck I just realized I can’t even sell the little bit of Auctus gear I have so I can get real shit. That would make me a legit scumbag. WTF!!!
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I mean, if you sell it as a Test / Primo blend or whatever one you have, maybe not so much

We all know you're a good guy and had no part in this. I know you're still upset for sending people their way, but we all do it. I've been here almost 15 years and I still push certain sources because I believe in those specific sources.

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Fat Mike01 said:
This post requires immediate attention @Rivalson Dont blow smoke up peoples asses and say it isnt if it is. serious matter
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Chill I've ordered a bunch of stuff this year from 4 sponsors here. I dont off the top of my head what order it was from. Its was definitely this year like spring time, early summer.
 
Astro95 said:
Actually very unfortunate to see a thread like this again. The forum is for members to come together in unity even if gear use is the only thing we have in common, not for sources to have pissing contests and ego battles, much less profit from the community by providing bogus products. Whose fault is it now? Or are you guys being targeted in a massive inside plot? Or is a 90% off sale the plan to rectify this mistake? This is not simply about refunding, some people cannot use certain compounds or they miscalculate their Ai protocols due to not having what they thought they had. “Sorry for your gyno, we’ll make it right with a sale just for you our valued customer”. Unbelievable.
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Well fucking said man!
 
Guys acting like its a hunt for the 9/11 A-rabs or some shit
 
Rivalson said:
chill out like you know me, looks like you did some shit to yours bro, mine is gtg
Sup with that shady vial DOOD?
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So he laced his Mast with Test ? Man this is real convenient to be saying this now
 
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