Growth Hormone and T4: Anabolic Synergy

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Growth Hormone and T4: Anabolic Synergy


By Mark Stent (B.Sc, Dipl Dat, SPN, Founder of www.bodybuilder.co.za and Muscle Fusion Nutrition Stores)

Growth hormone and thyroid hormones have been standard drugs in the arsenals of bodybuilders for years. Growth hormone has been used for its anabolic, muscle cell increasing, fat loss and anti aging properties. Thyroid hormones have been used for the fat loss, stimulatory and (to a lesser extent) anabolic effects. In this article I will look at the synergies between the two different types of thyroid hormone (T4 and T3) and Growth hormone (GH) and their applications in bodybuilding.
Before we get into the juicy stuff, we need to start with a little ‘geek-talk’ and some physiology.


The body produces two thyroid hormones, the first is thyroxine (T4) and the second is triiodothyronine (T3), which is the most widely used thyroid hormone in the world of muscle building. T4 is the inactive thyroid hormone and needs to be converted to T3 to exert thyroid-specific effects. This is done by the enzymes in the deiodinase group, of which there are 3 types – D1 and D2, which involved in the initiation of the process of conversion of T4 to T3 and D3, which is involved in the deactivation process.
The secretion of T4 is created in the thyroid gland and is stimulated by Thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH), which in turn is stimulated by Thryrotropin Releasing hormone (TRH). So, when T3 levels rise, the body says, ‘hey, I have enough T3 floating around, so I need to cut back’, which it does by suppressing TSH (this is known as a ‘negative feedback loop’). Incidentally, thyroid hormones require insulin or IGF-1 to trigger their effects.


Growth hormone (GH) is produced in the pituitary gland and is regulated by factors such as hormones and enzymes. It is regulated by two hormones Somatostatin (SS) and Growth hormone releasing hormone (GHRH). When there is too much GH circulating the body another negative feedback loop tells it to produce SS to decrease GH levels. When the body has too little GH, GHRH is produced. GH has the ability to stimulate the conversion of T4 to T3, making thyroid hormones partially dependent on GH. Somatostatin (which is secreted when GH levels are too high) can also inhibit TSH secretion or reduce TRH secretion, which means it can limit the amount of T4 produced by the body. This means that although GH increases the conversion of T4 to T3, which means more T3, it may actually mean lower than normal T4 levels.

GH gene transcription is what gives GH its wonderful effects (such as muscle growth, fat loss etc) and T3 enhances these effects, making GH and T3 extremely synergistic, in fact, T3 is the limiting factor in exogenous GH usage. Here we now have a contradiction: T3 and GH are synergistic, but too much T3 decreases the anabolic effects of GH.


This is where a well known steroid and performance enhancing drugs expert hypothesised that it is the conversion process of T4 to T3 that is important. Let me explain. When there is too much T3 in the body and normal levels of T4, the thyroid sends a signal to produce less D1 and D2 (the activators) and more of D3 (the in-activator) and thus inhibits many of the synergistic effects of T3. When D3 levels are high, growth factors such as IGF-1 are stimulated, which means D3 is an important part of the equation with regards to the anabolic effects of GH.


Now for the part you have all been waiting for, the summary and conclusion…

When growth hormone is taken, along with T3, the GH will stop converting T4 to T3 after a certain point, which means it will shut of the good, anabolic effects of GH by killing the pathway that creates them! This, to me, seems like a bad thing! Now if we add T4 into a GH cycle, we would enhance this pathway, giving the GH more anabolic effects! Remember that T4 alone is pretty ineffective for our purposes and requires something like GH to be made effective.

I have actually seen how effective using T4 in conjunction with GH is, first hand. An athlete I was working with was dieting for a show using GH and T3 (along with many other anabolic compounds), but was seeing no change in his fat to muscle ratio. Even with changes in his diet, such as lowering carbs, increasing cardio and even lowering calories, there were minimal changes, at best. T4 was introduced and within 1 week a change of 2.5% body fat and an increase of 1kg of muscle was measured! This is a pretty drastic change in any book.
The way I see it, growth hormone costs a lot, and, if it were me, I would want to maximise it as much as possible to get a better ‘bang for my buck’, T4 seems to be the catalyst here and without it, GH is a waste of money.

 
I have personally seen the difference when adding in T4 with GH and its pretty amazing how fast it works. I have been on GH for over a year and seen some small changes when stacking with AAS. When adding in T4 a few times once when I was cruising with low dose Test and 3iu of GH daily it was pretty crazy that I started to burn fat but maintain the muscle gains. Very shortly after starting again in my prep for my first show I have seen how quickly it can start working in body composition. I have had people tell me I look bigger but Im actually leaner and have lost 10lbs so far. This is in a matter of a few weeks. The synergy's of T4 and GH I believe is real and if you want optimal usage of GH throw in some T4 for 6-8 weeks then break for another 4 and hop back on again. I think you will love the results even if you are bulking I can see how it will allow you to grow and stay leaner throughout. My 2 cents for what its worth. I would love to hear from someone who is far more knowledgeable than I am.
 
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I agree, it makes the GH work much better. Plus you don't start getting the bad fatigue that builds after a while on GH, which makes me think it's from thyroid depletion. I feel much better with t4 in there
 
What are the does of t4 you take and do you have to cycle off off for four weeks ?
 
What are the does of t4 you take and do you have to cycle off off for four weeks ?

I’m currently at 100mcg but naturally your body makes around 90-110mcg so working up to 150mcg or more is recommended. I’m getting great results with 100mcg though.

It’s recommended to cycle off after 8 weeks max to let your natural thyroid start working again since it will be suppressed during usage. 4 weeks in between cycles is the minimum they say. Also, it’s better to reduce dosage gradually before coming totally off.


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Great post. Thanks!

This is the one thing I disagree with my coach on and I use T4 with HGH instead of T3 for prep (which he prefers). But he also only likes theT3 later in, like 8 weeks out. Which leads me to the question or dilemma that it is impossible or at least unwise, to "cycle" thyroid hormones during prep so the 8 weeks on/4weeks off would or could be catastrophic in a 16-18 weeks prep.

Why should I care anyway about production of thyroid hormones if I am taking exogenous sources anyway?
 
Great post. Thanks!

This is the one thing I disagree with my coach on and I use T4 with HGH instead of T3 for prep (which he prefers). But he also only likes theT3 later in, like 8 weeks out. Which leads me to the question or dilemma that it is impossible or at least unwise, to "cycle" thyroid hormones during prep so the 8 weeks on/4weeks off would or could be catastrophic in a 16-18 weeks prep.

Why should I care anyway about production of thyroid hormones if I am taking exogenous sources anyway?

All good points. So are you saying it’s best to go from T4 straight to T3 when it gets closer to contest time? Not cycle off?


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Great post. Thanks!

This is the one thing I disagree with my coach on and I use T4 with HGH instead of T3 for prep (which he prefers). But he also only likes theT3 later in, like 8 weeks out. Which leads me to the question or dilemma that it is impossible or at least unwise, to "cycle" thyroid hormones during prep so the 8 weeks on/4weeks off would or could be catastrophic in a 16-18 weeks prep.

Why should I care anyway about production of thyroid hormones if I am taking exogenous sources anyway?
If t3 is elevated, then there's no reason to supplement with more.

He might want to switch later if, he drops the gh though. That's the only reason I can see for ditching the t4 and adding t3.

T3 will destroy lean tissue quick.
 
Right Monte,
I always warn people who use T3 they better be eating and probably juicing because straight T3 is very intense.

I was saying my coach likes T3 but I used only T4 for the first time in prep last time along with GH (also first time) and I sure didn’t need the attributes of T3 supplementation. It also wasn’t as uncomfortable as taking T3, which for me, even at 50mcg, makes me feel like I am going to internally combust. I never went over 100mcg of T4 which for me, along with 4iu HGH, had the same effects of T3 that I got in prep 30 years ago at 26. (The T4 along with the HGH of course).

I think it has been well described in this forum many times: No HGH=T3. With HGH=T4.

I don’t plan on using T3 again.
 
Been wondering this for a while. Thank you for posting with the details and background. That helps me understand things better, just how my mind works.

I ran t3 during a cut once. It worked wonderfully but I did lose a lot of muscle despite being on a decent blast. The GH and t4 seems perfect.
 

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