First Cycle - Sustanon 250/ TBol. Need advice

[ProSaibot]

Will be doing 2x a week Sustanon 250 1-12 week and introducing Tbol from week 6-12.

PCT Nolva 20mg ED from week 15-20

Current natty test levels are on the higher end -> 710ng. All other bloods are in normal range, maybe free T being on higher end as well. Lipids are near optimal

Quesitons:
Any advice and what to expect as a higher natty test producer?
How long till I get to natty baseline levels?
How is hair shedding on Sustanon? Good idea to introduce Finasteride?
I read that HCG and AI isn't necessary for first cycle. Even the oral can be dropped.
Have tried only RAD140 SARM before and was happy with results, returned to baseline within a month. I heard that difference between proper Test cycle vs SARMS is like coke vs weed lol

 

[cdubw44]

Sust on virgin muscle is going to be pippy. Height, weight, age and diet? Hair depends on genetics. You may need an Ai you may not so have it ready. Do you want kids or your balls normal size? Then HCG. Sarms are like caffeine to test is like coke!

 

[Deezo]

Sust is king . Don't worry about it being pippy in virgin muscle, it may hurt but what hurts more is being a skinny bitch. I often hear of dudes on gear worried about "hairshedding" honestly some worry about their hair more than women.
Keep an AI on hand incase of sides. HCG is not necessary
Drop the tbol and start the sust at 300 a week after that u can always up the dose if needed. Run it for 12 weeks. Pct 3 weeks after I'd do
Nolva 40/40/20/20.
Get your diet, training and sleep in order and let sust do the rest. Good luck.

 

[Deezo]

Will be doing 2x a week Sustanon 250 1-12 week and introducing Tbol from week 6-12.

PCT Nolva 20mg ED from week 15-20

Current natty test levels are on the higher end -> 710ng. All other bloods are in normal range, maybe free T being on higher end as well. Lipids are near optimal

Quesitons:
Any advice and what to expect as a higher natty test producer?
How long till I get to natty baseline levels?
How is hair shedding on Sustanon? Good idea to introduce Finasteride?
I read that HCG and AI isn't necessary for first cycle. Even the oral can be dropped.
Have tried only RAD140 SARM before and was happy with results, returned to baseline within a month. I heard that difference between proper Test cycle vs SARMS is like coke vs weed lol

Why did you choose Tbol, it has quite the opposite effects of what sustanon has. What are your goals.

 

[Wiseguy]

Beginner cycle 300mg of sust will give you great results with minimal sides. I never used HCG in 30 years of cycling and have 3 awesome and healthy kids. I would never touch AI unless blood work showed my Estrogen was through the roof. Guys forget you need estrogen to grow. PCT two weeks after last shot for 4 weeks.

No need for oral.

Good luck and be safe

 

[Deezo]

Beginner cycle 300mg of sust will give you great results with minimal sides. I never used HCG in 30 years of cycling and have 3 awesome and healthy kids. I would never touch AI unless blood work showed my Estrogen was through the roof. Guys forget you need estrogen to grow. PCT two weeks after last shot for 4 weeks.

No need for oral.

Good luck and be safe

Great reply, I was thinking of what you would say while writing out my reply. Hcg never used here too. AI neither... But... Wouldn't 18-21 days to start PCT be "safer" because of the long acting esters in sustanon?
Not a big difference just a question to you. As I too will be starting pct soon and interested to know your thoughts.

 

[Wiseguy]

Great reply, I was thinking of what you would say while writing out my reply. Hcg never used here too. AI neither... But... Wouldn't 18-21 days to start PCT be "safer" because of the long acting esters in sustanon?
Not a big difference just a question to you. As I too will be starting pct soon and interested to know your thoughts.

Since I’ve been on trt forever I don’t do PCT but when I did and I did several sust only cycles i
Just did nolva two weeks after last shot and I was good. If I am not mistaking the longest ester is about 10-12 days. Anyway I don’t think it makes much difference

 

[Matt88]

Beginner cycle 300mg of sust will give you great results with minimal sides. I never used HCG in 30 years of cycling and have 3 awesome and healthy kids. I would never touch AI unless blood work showed my Estrogen was through the roof. Guys forget you need estrogen to grow. PCT two weeks after last shot for 4 weeks.

No need for oral.

Good luck and be safe

This ^ Enough said......

 

[ProSaibot]

Why did you choose Tbol, it has quite the opposite effects of what sustanon has. What are your goals.

Goals are: Clean Bulk/ Slight recomp. Tbol was suggested to me due to this. I'm open to suggestions regarding it.

Beginner cycle 300mg of sust will give you great results with minimal sides. I never used HCG in 30 years of cycling and have 3 awesome and healthy kids. I would never touch AI unless blood work showed my Estrogen was through the roof. Guys forget you need estrogen to grow. PCT two weeks after last shot for 4 weeks.

No need for oral.

Good luck and be safe

300mg week - so 150mg twice per week or some other process? OG plan was 250mg every 5 days.

Just wondering how should I spread the doses

 

[Wiseguy]

Goals are: Clean Bulk/ Slight recomp. Tbol was suggested to me due to this. I'm open to suggestions regarding it. 300mg week - so 150mg twice per week or some other process? OG plan was 250mg every 5 days. Just wondering how should I spread the doses

Goals are: Clean Bulk/ Slight recomp. Tbol was suggested to me due to this. I'm open to suggestions regarding it. 300mg week - so 150mg twice per week or some other process? OG plan was 250mg every 5 days. Just wondering how should I spread the doses

 

[Wiseguy]

Goals are: Clean Bulk/ Slight recomp. Tbol was suggested to me due to this. I'm open to suggestions regarding it. 300mg week - so 150mg twice per week or some other process? OG plan was 250mg every 5 days. Just wondering how should I spread the doses

Monday Thursday shots

 

[Draig]

Beginner cycle 300mg of sust will give you great results with minimal sides. I never used HCG in 30 years of cycling and have 3 awesome and healthy kids. I would never touch AI unless blood work showed my Estrogen was through the roof. Guys forget you need estrogen to grow. PCT two weeks after last shot for 4 weeks.

No need for oral.

Good luck and be safe

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[maxmuscle1]

I bought 1,000g of L-Taurine . It for sure helps with painful “low back pumps” and Tbol gives it to you good! It’s a great oral . 6-10g works for me

Max

 

[Matt88]

I bought 1,000g of L-Taurine . It for sure helps with painful “low back pumps” and Tbol gives it to you good! It’s a great oral . 6-10g works for me

Max

This ^ I use 4-6g pre workout if I'm on something that causes pumps. That along with a good electrolyte supplement is golden

 

[badgerz94]

Definitely use Finasteride. It will block the DHT from the Sust. Fin side effects are way overrated. I started Fin when I started steroids and it worked great until I stupidly used Tren and Mast which Fin does nothing for. If you care about your hair, get the script for Fin. I get 3 months for $15 with my insurance.

 

[ProSaibot]

Definitely use Finasteride. It will block the DHT from the Sust. Fin side effects are way overrated. I started Fin when I started steroids and it worked great until I stupidly used Tren and Mast which Fin does nothing for. If you care about your hair, get the script for Fin. I get 3 months for $15 with my insurance.

How much dosage did you take for FIN? Also did you start it from first day on cycle?

 

[Ziath11]

If your dick stops working assume blame on the Finasteride not high estrogen. I’ve seen people make this mistake and then crash their estrogen when it’s the fin.

 

[Deezo]

How much dosage did you take for FIN? Also did you start it from first day on cycle?

@Wiseguy as well as myself have countless times said run only the sust as a first cycle. Seems you have made up ur mind and are open to side effects. See what @Ziath11 has said. Call is yours advice has been given by a very experienced user. But still you're here questioning Finasteride. Good luck

 

[badgerz94]

1 gram Fin per day. I take it on and off cycle, 365 days per year. I do not know the percentage of people who lose hair by taking Test but for me it wasn't worth the gamble. Once the hair is gone, its gone. Taking it after the fact, you may get some regrowth where you lost it, but it will be very thin/fine. OTC Minoxidil that you can buy at Costco or Walmart will work on the crown. Fin works on the front hairline. Minoxidil at Walmart is $20 for a 3 month supply

In the last couple of years, I destroyed my hair by using Tren and Mast. My doctor prescribed me Dutasteride which is even more powerful than Fin in the hopes it would help regrow the hair but it didn't work so I recently had a hair transplant. I will post the results next week when it hits 3 months. These aren't the old days of hair transplants. Its a complicated and painful procedure and you look like shit for quite a while but the results have gotten much better. Its also really expensive.

 

[maxmuscle1]

1mg finasteride . (He meant )

The topical doesn’t mess with me

Max

 

[Ziath11]

1mg finasteride . (He meant )

The topical doesn’t mess with me

Max

Max taking all the ladies with those Luscious locks

 

[maxmuscle1]

Max taking all the ladies with those Luscious locks

Lol ! Most definitely! I’m gonna start Hex/Sust/Var Monday along with some other PED’s . So I’m all about using a strict routine as I have since I was 13 really , but now I use a serum plus I have a whole supplement & hair product regimen. I just need to run 1g primo w some Mast and testosterone , see if I go bald !

Naw, my hair does thin (the shaft) when I run high mast , Adrol …but when I go back to my TRT/GH , it comes back even more . The body hair is what gets ridiculous

Max