First cycle questions and help?

[SteezyBoBeezy]

So I have my shipment of test e, Anavar 25mg and some Nolvadex as well.

My diet atm is 3700 calories clean and I also use mass gainer for a extra 1200

My diet is good and my training is good too

This is my first cycle

I was planning on running 300mg a week test ( 3 pins a week at 100mg

and was thinking 25mg Anavar 2x a day but lately been thinking maybe only 25 mg once a day.

I’m currently 190 pounds and train 5/6 days a week.

I also have Tudca, and Cell assist for my toxicity.

Nervous about gyno during my cycle and how to handle it with the Nolvadex during my cycle.

I have a good understanding of use for it for my PCT.

Any advice or input would be great

Also I have 1 inch 25 gauge needles.

Thanks y’all

 

[Meetketchup]

Drop the var. No need for first cycle as Test will be the driver and more than enough.

Don't use Nolvadex during cycle. If you want E2 control use Arimidex or Aromasin.

Liver will be fine without the Var.

Eat real food instead of the weight gainer.

 

[Jbswole40]

Def leave out var,mass gainer.
Use Nolvadex later if run into any issues,dont get stuck in your head about gyno..YES EAT REAL FOOD!

 

[SteezyBoBeezy]

I eat close to 3700 a day and then add a extra 1200 through the shakes

Why drop the var? Would there be no benefit of if this run? And between the E CONTROL what’s the safest one or really the one with easier sides? Thanks for helping and answering

 

[FearsomeCOR]

Nervous about gyno during my cycle and how to handle it with the Nolvadex during my cycle.

Super easy bro. Start feeling irritation/sensitivrity? Take it then go check e2 so you can dial in a reasonable ai dose.

Do you plan to blast and cruise? Or is this just a 12-16 week cycle and you’re coming off?

 

[Meetketchup]

I eat close to 3700 a day and then add a extra 1200 through the shakes

And?

I eat close to 3700 a day and then add a extra 1200 through the shakes

Why drop the var? Would there be no benefit of if this run? And between the E CONTROL what’s the safest one or really the one with easier sides? Thanks for helping and answering

Because it's not needed in a surplus, especially when running your first cycle where you will get great gains from just the test. Var shines in a deficit to keep muscle and promote strength with low energy. Besides you don't need the hit on cholesterol or liver when you don't need to.

 

[SteezyBoBeezy]

And?


Because it's not needed in a surplus, especially when running your first cycle where you will get great gains from just the test. Var shines in a deficit to keep muscle and promote strength with low energy. Besides you don't need the hit on cholesterol or liver when you don't need to.

So you’re saying Anavar should be used in a cutting stage?

And I eat 3700 calories in food the mass gainer is just extra calories and carbs is what I was saying.

 

[Jbswole40]

So you’re saying Anavar should be used in a cutting stage?

And I eat 3700 calories in food the mass gainer is just extra calories and carbs is what I was saying.

Yes

 

[SteezyBoBeezy]

Super easy bro. Start feeling irritation/sensitivrity? Take it then go check e2 so you can dial in a reasonable ai dose.

Do you plan to blast and cruise? Or is this just a 12-16 week cycle and you’re coming off?

Was planning a 12 week cycle then hopping off recovering then starting another in 3 months after my pct.

Yes

why should I drop the gainer? Is it going to do more harm then good?

TIA!

I do appreciate y’all very much

 

[Meetketchup]

why should I drop the gainer? Is it going to do more harm then good?

Let's use common sense without getting technical. What do you think would be better...

Weight gainer powder with maltodextrin etc or lean meats, rice/potato/fruits/etc? Get my point?

 

[FearsomeCOR]

Was planning a 12 week cycle then hopping off recovering then starting another in 3 months after my pct.

I’d drop the var, do more test, and a longer cycle.

 

[SteezyBoBeezy]

I’d drop the var, do more test, and a longer cycle.

500 for 12 weeks?

 

[FearsomeCOR]

500 for 12 weeks?

I’d go off labs and push 16-20.

 

[Jbswole40]

1st cycle correct?
300 would b plenty,bloods halfway ..
Every1 is different, hate to see u go in do 500 test have e2 over 100 many things can happen.. kiss method..
This is not a race..start low,u have time to bump or run next cycle at 500.

 

[SteezyBoBeezy]

Let's use common sense without getting technical. What do you think would be better...

Weight gainer powder with maltodextrin etc or lean meats, rice/potato/fruits/etc? Get my point?

My question isn’t what’s better, what I’m saying is if I’m 3700 clean why would dropping the gainer be a good.

I eat real food all day. Then add the gainer for an extra boost. Is the boost not needed then if I’m consuming 3700 calories while hitting all my macros?

 

[Hablooblah]

So I have my shipment of test e, Anavar 25mg and some Nolvadex as well.

My diet atm is 3700 calories clean and I also use mass gainer for a extra 1200

My diet is good and my training is good too

This is my first cycle

I was planning on running 300mg a week test ( 3 pins a week at 100mg

and was thinking 25mg Anavar 2x a day but lately been thinking maybe only 25 mg once a day.

I’m currently 190 pounds and train 5/6 days a week.

I also have Tudca, and Cell assist for my toxicity.

Nervous about gyno during my cycle and how to handle it with the Nolvadex during my cycle.

I have a good understanding of use for it for my PCT.

Any advice or input would be great

Also I have 1 inch 25 gauge

Test 300mg for first month or 2 then up to 500mg after bloodwork. Start slow titrate up thats how you avoid problems. Dont jump into 500mg of test that would be foolish... Drop the Var! Dont take nolva unless you need it and if you do get a flare up 40mg/day until its gone. Get some aromasin on hand, at 300 you may not need it at 500 you prolly will but you wont know how much until bloods, pull those week 4-5 and see how you handle things. Dont push things too quick take it slow and do it right... shoot for minimum 16 weeks this cycle.

 

[SteezyBoBeezy]

Test 300mg for first month or 2 then up to 500mg after bloodwork. Start slow titrate up thats how you avoid problems. Dont jump into 500mg of test that would be foolish... Drop the Var! Dont take nolva unless you need it and if you do get a flare up 40mg/day until its gone. Get some aromasin on hand, at 300 you may not need it at 500 you prolly will but you wont know how much until bloods, pull those week 4-5 and see how you handle things. Dont push things too quick take it slow and do it right... shoot for minimum 16 weeks this cycle.

Ok ok thank you for this

 

[Meetketchup]

My question isn’t what’s better, what I’m saying is if I’m 3700 clean why would dropping the gainer be a good.

I eat real food all day. Then add the gainer for an extra boost. Is the boost not needed then if I’m consuming 3700 calories while hitting all my macros?

Extra boost? My point is eating the "additional calories" from food is more advantageous than a weight gainer for obvious reasons.

So everyone including me is saying drop the var, add an AI if needed, start at 300mg and IF NEEDED increase incrementally and use real for additional calories or whatever you are calling it instead of a weight gainer. It's good advice.

Lastly get blood work done so you know all of your hormone levels and other vitals.

 

[Notsurewhat2dowithmyhands]

My question isn’t what’s better, what I’m saying is if I’m 3700 clean why would dropping the gainer be a good.

I eat real food all day. Then add the gainer for an extra boost. Is the boost not needed then if I’m consuming 3700 calories while hitting all my macros?

What @Meetketchup is saying, is that you will get better results and feel better if you add 1200 calories of real food vs adding 1200 calories of processed crap. Yes the calories are the same. No the quality of protein and carbs are not. Those mass shakes are trash that lead to digestive issues and bloating most of the time. Stick to real whole foods. Also everyone who has commented before me are some of the most knowledgeable people I've seen on this forum, take their advice.

 

[SteezyBoBeezy]

What @Meetketchup is saying, is that you will get better results and feel better if you add 1200 calories of real food vs adding 1200 calories of processed crap. Yes the calories are the same. No the quality of protein and carbs are not. Those mass shakes are trash that lead to digestive issues and bloating most of the time. Stick to real whole foods. Also everyone who has commented before me are some of the most knowledgeable people I've seen on this forum, take their advice.

Oh I’m taking this all in. I guess the issue I run into on forums is when I ask a question ppl take it like I’m disregarding their statement Whe really I’m just trying to understand it from every direction

I plan on doing 300 mg a week

No var

I need to find Aromasin.

And doing 3 pins at 100 a week.

Also stopping the mass gainer and going to add a extra meal and fat snack into my day.

 

[Jbswole40]

Oh I’m taking this all in. I guess the issue I run into on forums is when I ask a question ppl take it like I’m disregarding their statement Whe really I’m just trying to understand it from every direction

I plan on doing 300 mg a week

No var

I need to find Aromasin.

And doing 3 pins at 100 a week.

Also stopping the mass gainer and going to add a extra meal and fat snack into my day.

Sounds good,the Aromasin u will get,get u a costco membership and a coach if u serious..Stay focused,discipline and consistency will take u far..

 

[SteezyBoBeezy]

Sounds good,the Aromasin u will get,get u a costco membership and a coach if u serious..Stay focused,discipline and consistency will take u far..

I got Sam’s Club. And idk about a coach if that’s needed. I’m not looking to become as big as most of y’all. I’d like good size and I do train pretty hard with weights. I’d love a coach but can’t afford that.

 

[19NorFan]

This is what I would do:

- Start at 350mg/week, test solo. 100mg EOD.

- No anavar or AI. You need to establish a baseline for what your body can handle with test solo first.

- Do blood work before cycle to establish a natty blood work baseline

- Do blood work at 8 weeks to establish a 350mg/week test solo baseline

- Throwing in anavar or an AI will disrupt the baseline and give you false data. You need to know how much your cholesterol will skew with test solo, what it will do to estrogen etc. You want as few variables as possible for this first cycle.

- Separate from that and this is just my preference: Don’t run orals at all unless you are doing contest prep or are a few years into being enhanced and need to utilize orals to push through plateaus.

- All oral steroids hit the cholestrol hard in my experience, they all contribute to liver toxicity to some degree and safer injectable alternatives that produce the same outcome are readily available.

- Orals really shine when you’re extra shredded, or need to push through plateaus or want to a achieve a specific look on stage but it is not something I’d recommend to a casual lifter

Extra boost? My point is eating the "additional calories" from food is more advantageous than a weight gainer for obvious reasons.

Not necessarily. If eating the additional 1,200 calories from “real food” causes enough digestive strain to make consistently eating in a surplus challenging every day, then it is better to just get it from powders.

That being, I don’t think the OP needs 5,000 calories a day to grow at his weight and experience level.

 

[Wiseguy]

My brother you don't need to complicate things. 300mg of test for 10 to 12 weeks is perfect. Most likely will not have any gyno issues but blood work will reveal it does happen.

Good luck.

 

[Jbswole40]

I got Sam’s Club. And idk about a coach if that’s needed. I’m not looking to become as big as most of y’all. I’d like good size and I do train pretty hard with weights. I’d love a coach but can’t afford that.

U have real great members & coaches commenting on your thread..take notice.

 

[SteezyBoBeezy]

U have real great members & coaches commenting on your thread..take notice.

Understood what you’re saying now, I didn’t at first I thought like a personal trainer lol. Thank you guys again.

 

[Meetketchup]

Not necessarily. If eating the additional 1,200 calories from “real food” causes enough digestive strain to make consistently eating in a surplus challenging every day, then it is better to just get it from powders.

Obviously if you can't get the food down. OP didn't mention or imply that.

 

[chadvand13]

First cycle starter pack:

✓ Test E

✓ Anavar

✓ Nolvadex

✓ TUDCA

✓ Cell Assist

✓ 4900 calories

✓ 17 hours of YouTube research

✓ Checking nipples every 12 minutes

✓ Asking strangers on the internet if a chest hair is gyno



You are more prepared for this cycle than I was for my wedding.

Just remember, the first side effect of Test E is suddenly finding yourself flexing in the bathroom mirror at gas stations.


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[Mutant]

So what I’m reading id he should drop the bulking powder? I think that’s what I’m seeing! Yep , yep I went back and saw that ALOT!!!
And eat real foods? Yep , yep that was mentioned also a few times.


But what we need to know now is should we really drop the weight gainer for real or just sometimes? I have a feeling we’re still going to use the gainer!

Sorry , I’m just goofing with you my friend . Hey , if you already bought a bunch of it just use it up and not waste anymore more money on it.
Steaks and chicken and charcoal are way better to buy!