First Cycle 300 or 500

[Gorbchungus]

I’ve been on trt for several months now and got the itch to try a cycle. Been lifting for 7 years in various capacities. Also have done jiu jitsu for 7 years. I’m 195 5’10”. Just a little background.

Anyway at one point on trt I was taking 170mg a week and that landed my total around 1500 total test and 83e2. Prior to trt I was around 300 ish total test. To me this seems like I respond pretty well to test. And 500 for me might be like 700 for others. Should I still press on and do 500 or should I do less, like 300 considering how much I get out of so little. I’m sure I could just send it at 500, but like other beginners I’m worried about high estrogen levels namely gyno. Maybe that’s just the risk.

Any help or suggestions are greatly appreciated.

 

[Astro95]

300

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[Meetketchup]

300

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This. You start low and can always bump if needed.

Also, if your test is at 1500 now you should already be making some good gains.

 

[Gorbchungus]

I have definitely made some strength gains and have thickened up a bit. Thanks for the input. Unless someone makes a convincing argument for 500 I suppose I’ll just give 300 a shot and if it’s underwhelming and not much sides maybe I’ll increase or save that for a future cycle altogether.

 

[BC22]

I’d maybe give it a little more time and see what kind of gains you can squeeze out of your TRT dose. I hear you on the itch to run a cycle but if it’s only been a few months you can probably make a lot more progress at your current dose.

 

[gp0385316]

I’ve been on trt for several months now and got the itch to try a cycle. Been lifting for 7 years in various capacities. Also have done jiu jitsu for 7 years. I’m 195 5’10”. Just a little background.

Anyway at one point on trt I was taking 170mg a week and that landed my total around 1500 total test and 83e2. Prior to trt I was around 300 ish total test. To me this seems like I respond pretty well to test. And 500 for me might be like 700 for others. Should I still press on and do 500 or should I do less, like 300 considering how much I get out of so little. I’m sure I could just send it at 500, but like other beginners I’m worried about high estrogen levels namely gyno. Maybe that’s just the risk.

Any help or suggestions are greatly appreciated.

I didn't read everything, sorry, just bit busy. I just keep seeing this. When did it become popular to take such a low dose??

I keep seeing it. It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. 250 MGS a week of test is, usually, an "off" period for serious competitive bodybuilders. 250-300 MGS a week is not going to exhibit the full benefits of taking test. And, what is the reason for doing it?? What, possibly, can be the difference in side effects between 300 and even 625 MGS a week of test. Most likely none at all.

It makes no sense to be taking 300 MGS of test a week. Unless you are using something else at a higher dose and are only using the test to replace the amount your body produces.

IE. 300 MGS a week of test
50 mgs EOD TREN ace
30 mgs dbol a day. That makes sense.

300 MGS of test a week
200 MGS of EQ(an example I just saw) make 0 sense.

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[gp0385316]

I’ve been on trt for several months now and got the itch to try a cycle. Been lifting for 7 years in various capacities. Also have done jiu jitsu for 7 years. I’m 195 5’10”. Just a little background.

Anyway at one point on trt I was taking 170mg a week and that landed my total around 1500 total test and 83e2. Prior to trt I was around 300 ish total test. To me this seems like I respond pretty well to test. And 500 for me might be like 700 for others. Should I still press on and do 500 or should I do less, like 300 considering how much I get out of so little. I’m sure I could just send it at 500, but like other beginners I’m worried about high estrogen levels namely gyno. Maybe that’s just the risk.

Any help or suggestions are greatly appreciated.

I keep seeing this. It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. 250 MGS a week of test is, usually, an "off" period for serious competitive bodybuilders. 250-300 MGS a week is not going to exhibit the full benefits of taking test. And, what is the reason for doing it?? What, possibly, can be the difference in side effects between 300 and even 625 MGS a week of test(none at all). If you are worried about estrogen conversion, why? Been dealing with this since the 70s, lol. Take 10 MGS of noveldex a day and forget about it.

It makes no sense to be taking 300 MGS of test a week. Unless you are using something else at a higher dose and are only using the test to replace the amount your body produces.

IE. 300 MGS a week of test
50 mgs EOD TREN ace
30 mgs dbol a day. That makes sense.

300 MGS of test a week
200 MGS of EQ(an example I just saw) make 0 sense.

Take at least 500 MGS a week.

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[Gorbchungus]

Well and this is what I’m talking about. A completely different school of thought from the first few. I guess the lower doses comes from the normalization of trt and kind of towing that line of doing trt and doing a mini cycle. I want to do a cycle but want to be careful as well. An example of this same style of thinking is in the Reddit wiki for steroid use and it basically says don’t waste your time with 300 just do 500.

 

[gp0385316]

Well and this is what I’m talking about. A completely different school of thought from the first few. I guess the lower doses comes from the normalization of trt and kind of towing that line of doing trt and doing a mini cycle. I want to do a cycle but want to be careful as well. An example of this same style of thinking is in the Reddit wiki for steroid use and it basically says don’t waste your time with 300 just do 500.

Thats what we are saying makes no sense

"I want to do a cycle but I don't want to do a cycle" or " I'm scared because I read too much bull shit online". That is what you are saying.

What do you think is going to happen differently, concerning any negative side effects, between 300 and 600 MGS a week of test?? Nothing at all. You are overthinking things and overestimating the negative side effects of using testosterone.
If you are going to use AAS then use them the correct way. To get the most benefits with the least side effects. Isnt that the goal?

But, whatever you are comfortable with.

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[gp0385316]

Well and this is what I’m talking about. A completely different school of thought from the first few. I guess the lower doses comes from the normalization of trt and kind of towing that line of doing trt and doing a mini cycle. I want to do a cycle but want to be careful as well. An example of this same style of thinking is in the Reddit wiki for steroid use and it basically says don’t waste your time with 300 just do 500.

Oh, and using REDDIT as your go to for advise about PEDs??

Do I even have to comment on that??

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[gp0385316]

Oh, and using REDDIT as your go to for advise about PEDs??

Do I even have to comment on that??

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Í always go back to the same, frustrating, thing.

Everyone on these forums spends all kinds of $ on drugs, food, gym memberships, supplements ECT but no one seems to want to invest in what would help them the most.

Using REDDIT OR, BODYBUILDING FORUMS like this to learn what to do and not to do using AAS is not smart. You'll get a million conflicting opinions from mostly others who are also clueless. That leads to the thinking you have.

Invest in a experienced, REAL(not a fake gym guru) trainer(drug coach I called them) and it will be, by far, the best investment you've ever made. That way you have one person you trust, one person to listen to who actually is knowledgeable and experienced working with athletes using these drugs. These guys are out there. You just have to look and research a bit. Stop listening to REDDIT, please.

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[Big_Jimmy434]

I'd start at 300, check your bloodwork, and then you'll know your level and can also adjust for any high E2. You stated "maybe it's a risk" but It's only a risk if you don't get regular blood work. You can't adjust anything without knowing what to adjust. Regular blood work. That's the motto.

 

[gp0385316]

I'd start at 300, check your bloodwork, and then you'll know your level and can also adjust for any high E2. You stated "maybe it's a risk" but It's only a risk if you don't get regular blood work. You can't adjust anything without knowing what to adjust. Regular blood work. That's the motto.

Is this serious? Is this really what guys are doing these days? Taking 300 MGS of test a week and running to get blood work every few weeks to check estrogen levels? I'm not sure what to even say about that.

I can't find the word for this. Absurd is a good one.

You truly believe 300 MGS a week of testosterone presents some type of huge "risk". Really.

I should have dropped dead 20 years ago I suppose.

Stupid.

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[Big_Jimmy434]

Is this serious? Is this really what guys are doing these days? Taking 300 MGS of test a week and running to get blood work every few weeks to check estrogen levels? I'm not sure what to even say about that.

I can't find the word for this. Absurd is a good one.

You truly believe 300 MGS a week of testosterone presents some type of huge "risk". Really.

I should have dropped dead 20 years ago I suppose.

Stupid.

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I'd give a response, but it's probably a waste. I don't know why you're so angry. It sounds like a hug and some bloodwork is really what you need the most. It's ok buddy, tell Big Jimmy what's bothering you. I'm here to listen.

 

[Bolan]

Is this serious? Is this really what guys are doing these days? Taking 300 MGS of test a week and running to get blood work every few weeks to check estrogen levels? I'm not sure what to even say about that.

I can't find the word for this. Absurd is a good one.

You truly believe 300 MGS a week of testosterone presents some type of huge "risk". Really.

I should have dropped dead 20 years ago I suppose.

Stupid.

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A shit ton of guys on here are 50 on up to 70 yrs old.
300mg a week is a lot to them. I was confused when I started on ASF
and Id lay my cycles out and Id get roasted for doing "too much"
Now I love the older fellas here... Im an older fella too!. They are going to do whats comfortable and basically doing the longevity thing.
Us guys who run a couple grams here and there.. Slin+GH. Well were the minority on here since 99.8% of the guys here are hard working gym rats, that dont need to take larger doses. Who dont compete and just want to look good and stay healthy until their 100!
Me.. If i make it to 60 it will be a miracle.

 

[Durro NoHurtNoBigShirt]

If you’re responding well and getting a lot out of so little 300mg (you lucky bastard)! Stay there! When you’re luck runs out go to 4 then 5. Good luck to me!

 

[big_rich]

My first cycle was 500mg test e. Your first cycle is always the best. I like 500 as a first cycle.