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FDA update May 1st

Glycomann said:
Lip service. I don't know what you guys want though. Most anyone can get test scripted at some clinic at this point.
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I think most are hoping for a reset of what is considered a "healthy" range of testosterone for males, regardless of age. To get away from the mindset that lower testosterone is an acceptable result of aging and start treating men regardless of age if their Total T is less than 400 and they have symptoms.
 
brew1 said:
I think most are hoping for a reset of what is considered a "healthy" range of testosterone for males, regardless of age. To get away from the mindset that lower testosterone is an acceptable result of aging and start treating men regardless of age if their Total T is less than 400 and they have symptoms.
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I think that's a long slog. There was one report that eliminated obese and diabetics etc. I don't recall all the details but then there are some that counter that and basically claim what their data did not have to justify the lower range.

There is a major problem with the health of our nations. Many are sick and they fall into the average and bring those levels down. But if 40% of our population are obese and half of those are diabetic or pre-diabetic then what numbers can we expect the range to cover?
 
Yes it should be legal for an adult to take anything they want, as long as it doesn't turn them into some psychotic face eating zombie person. The government should not protect us from ourselves. They know everyone does whatever they want anyway. Making things illegal just gives them reasons to arrest you and confiscate your stuff. It's all about power not public health. They've been reports of police confiscating people's money because it was too much. Like one guy had $10,000 confiscated because they said they suspected it was for a drug deal. And the Supreme Court upheld it. They said they weren't punishing the man they were punishing the money. So a guy had his property taken from him for no reason other than a suspicion it might be used in a drug deal. That's the kind of power they want and why they keep things illegal.
 
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Veneficus said:
Yes it should be legal for an adult to take anything they want, as long as it doesn't turn them into some psychotic face eating zombie person. The government should not protect us from ourselves. They know everyone does whatever they want anyway. Making things illegal just gives them reasons to arrest you and confiscate your stuff. It's all about power not public health. They've been reports of police confiscating people's money because it was too much. Like one guy had $10,000 confiscated because they said they suspected it was for a drug deal. And the Supreme Court upheld it. They said they weren't punishing the man they were punishing the money. So a guy had his property taken from him for no reason other than a suspicion it might be used in a drug deal. That's the kind of power they want and why they keep things illegal.
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Ya and how much of seized stuff do they keep. Legalizing everything would stop alot of cartel, mafia drugs but also trafficking etc to a extent
 
Blah blah blah. That’s literally what I hear now when political types start talking about anything. It’s just a huge waste of time.

🖐️ Talk to the hand cause my ears ain’t listening. They will find a way to fuck it up like always,
 
Just the fact the the Administration is putting people in place that would even address Test supplementation in a positive way is important. A message like this is a signal to doctors about where government policy is headed with regards to TRT and mens health more broadly. Messages like this signify a shift away from the "toxic masculinity" narrative and tropes of past years to an embrace by policymakers of issues directly affecting quality of life for men. It verbalizes that strong men are valuble to society.
 
Uzisuicide said:
Just the fact the the Administration is putting people in place that would even address Test supplementation in a positive way is important. A message like this is a signal to doctors about where government policy is headed with regards to TRT and mens health more broadly. Messages like this signify a shift away from the "toxic masculinity" narrative and tropes of past years to an embrace by policymakers of issues directly affecting quality of life for men. It verbalizes that strong men are valuble to society.
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Well, when the Secretary of Health and Human Services juices and lifts, the wind seems to be blowing in the right direction.
 
go fuck yourself middle finger GIF
 
TestaBolOne said:
Doctors in my area are anal about giving out test and require multiple blood tests to confirm T levels are low.

It’s been quite the fight.
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But you can go to many HRT clinics like Evolve, or Defy Medical and get scripted. Some of them you can even get scripted for deca or anavar. It's expensive but the point is it is available. As far as your state or region, the FDA has little to nothing to do with your state medical boards or local doctor's practice. and, realistically, I don't think any reasonable medical agency is ever ever ever going to condone the kind of hormone abuse we do. even best case scenario, I can see FDA licensing more peptides and and compounding pharmacies but they will not reduce the requirements for safety and efficacy. So that means investment in trials and cGMP facilities etc.

I think we are really lucky we have the community we have where we, as a community, have responded to demand by finding labs that can at least do some rudimentary testing and as a community hold producers and distributors to account if things go sideways.

A major point is that AAS and most peptides are not that dangerous if used reasonably and if producers are decent as far as safety. We get away with a lot of abuse for a long time. This doesn't work for other classes of drugs like narcotics, even legal ones.
 
TestaBolOne said:
Doctors in my area are anal about giving out test and require multiple blood tests to confirm T levels are low.

It’s been quite the fight.
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That's really the big issue here. A great deal of the American healthcare system is an HMO model with the primary care physician being the gatekeeper to a specialist referral, a script, or even something as simple as a doctors note/certificate for a someone to return to work. TRT clinics began to pop up in recent years because primary care phsicians were reluctant to prescribe hormones like test which are insanely classified as a Schedule III controlled substance under federal law. The TRT clinics emerged to fill a societal demand like everything else.

The current FDA is sending a message to primary care physicians to loosten up their policies with regards to prescribing testosterone. This is good news for all of us! Men like Rick Collins have been at the forefront of the fight to normalize quality of life hormone usage for decades. This is progress for men.
 
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Glycomann said:
A major point is that AAS and most peptides are not that dangerous if used reasonably and if producers are decent as far as safety. We get away with a lot of abuse for a long time. This doesn't work for other classes of drugs like narcotics, even legal ones.
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Agreed, I think most of the reason for scheduling hormones in the first place was to curb cheating in sports. That's what put steroids on the national radar, not dead bodies piling up. Although there were some 'refer madness' stories of the day like Lyle Alzado's death that were used to push public opinion against steroid use.

Keep it out of the hands of kids and let adults make informed decicions about their health. That's a reasonable approach that I think is working here.
 
Jk4eva12 said:
Ya and how much of seized stuff do they keep. Legalizing everything would stop alot of cartel, mafia drugs but also trafficking etc to a extent
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You're entitled to your opinion most definitely. Even if its dumb af and would result in the exact opposite result than what you think it would. "Legalizing everything" wouldnt stop addicts from overdosing, cartels from reaping the rewards on the drugs they have a stranglehold on, or the "mafia" lol, from running the same drugs without fear of being caught. I dont think youve fully thought about your comment honestly. Legalize/decriminalize legit pharmaceuticals? Yes absolutely...but street fentanyl, heroine, and methemphetamine? Hell no. Do you want the whole country to look like L.A.? Seattle? The libs tried this approach and it destroyed the west coast of America.
 

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