EQ - worthless or useful piece of the puzzle?

[Oran Juice Jones]

If I look at a bottle of EQ I instantly get high BP, RBC, Crit'

Great compound if your a younger fella.

How young? Lol


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[Bolan]

How young? Lol


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I stopped taking it in my early 40's..... Bloods were really fucked so I decided to pull it and haven't run it since.
And my Ex wife use to poke me with an IV and dump a pint every so often
at home.

 

[OlePhart]

Thanks for the response. I guess. I might have to reconsider this. Dammit. You just had to bring up age.

No sad face. I asked for a reason. I'd rather be real and not use it than use it and screw myself up.

 

[Bolan]

No sad face. I asked for a reason. I'd rather be real and not use it than use it and screw myself up.

I've had to drop all kinds of shit the older I got/get.
I AM going to run some Winstrol in my next cut even tho it fucks with my bloods and joints... I like the look it brings.

 

[Glycomann]

I've had to drop all kinds of shit the older I got/get.
I AM going to run some Winstrol in my next cut even tho it fucks with my bloods and joints... I like the look it brings.

I have to run 4:1 Test to EQ now and that probably barely gets me enough estrogen. I don't know what the heck happened. I haven't been able to run even 2 mg winstrol a day for 10 years.

 

[Nood]

I've had to drop all kinds of shit the older I got/get.
I AM going to run some Winstrol in my next cut even tho it fucks with my bloods and joints... I like the look it brings.

What’s it do to your blood work typically? Looking to run it soon.

 

[Dudemancam92]

Have you been trying to gain on it? I'm going to run this mix in a lean gaining phase this summer. Probably a touch lower

That’s actually what I’m trying to do right now. I started pretty lean and 10 weeks later abs are still somewhat visible lol.


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[WED]

That’s actually what I’m trying to do right now. I started pretty lean and 10 weeks later abs are still somewhat visible lol.


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Nice. That's my plan as well. Do a long. 18-20wk lean bulk

 

[Dudemancam92]

Nice. That's my plan as well. Do a long. 18-20wk lean bulk

Yeah. The thought of a 20 week blast is exciting.


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[Bolan]

What’s it do to your blood work typically? Looking to run it soon.

Winstrol destroys my lipids worse than Var.

 

[big_rich]

Agree with this 100%. I got some Reforvit-B back in the late 90’s and it made me bigger and stronger than anything I’ve ever taken. And it happened in mere weeks. Have tried several sponsors’ dbol and it’s absolutely nothing like it was long ago. In fact, I was convinced for the longest time the shit was fake because it does literally nothing except give you reflux, but it’s legit. Just not anywhere near the same.

Reforvit b was the shyt

 

[S00Meaty]

I've had to drop all kinds of shit the older I got/get.
I AM going to run some Winstrol in my next cut even tho it fucks with my bloods and joints... I like the look it brings.

I feel your pain.
I have to pick and choose wisely. In my youth, I could take whatever the fuck I wanted whenever the fuck I wanted.

 

[Glycomann]

Reforvit b was the shyt

Agreed. Weird times though where I was living. All I was getting back at that time was all different nandrolones and tons of reforvit B. I was fucking strong though..

 

[Machforce1]

Agreed. Weird times though where I was living. All I was getting back at that time was all different nandrolones and tons of reforvit B. I was fucking strong though..

But don’t you think the gear back then just hit differently? The UGL stuff just doesn’t hit anywhere near as hard for some reason. Not saying it isn’t legit, but there’s something at play there.

 

[Battousai]

Most underrated steroid besides test

 

[WED]

But don’t you think the gear back then just hit differently? The UGL stuff just doesn’t hit anywhere near as hard for some reason. Not saying it isn’t legit, but there’s something at play there.

Probably wasn't dosed accurately or had multiple compounds in it and yah didn't know.

Bold didn't just magically get weaker. I've seen other boards say stuff like "I got pure Vet grade EQ in the 90s and it was 3x as strong"

 

[McPriimate]

Probably wasn't dosed accurately or had multiple compounds in it and yah didn't know.

Bold didn't just magically get weaker. I've seen other boards say stuff like "I got pure Vet grade EQ in the 90s and it was 3x as strong"

I wonder if some of the perception is that gear worked a lot better for someone who was in their 20’s in the 1990’s than it does for that same person in their 50’s in the 2020’s (the math works - or else they weren’t around to make the comparison…)

Shit hits different because of age (and presumably 3 decades of progress) maybe more so than compounds somehow being less potent, which is hard to rationalize tbh


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[Glycomann]

But don’t you think the gear back then just hit differently? The UGL stuff just doesn’t hit anywhere near as hard for some reason. Not saying it isn’t legit, but there’s something at play there.

Tough to say. I was so much younger. Everything worked better. Now even test right from the pharmacy feels weaker.

 

[Astro95]

But don’t you think the gear back then just hit differently? The UGL stuff just doesn’t hit anywhere near as hard for some reason. Not saying it isn’t legit, but there’s something at play there.

That’s what I call nostalgic bias. All the OGs have it, they all swear the OG gear was better. It’s literally the same compounds lab tested as proof that that’s exactly what they are.

 

[Glycomann]

That’s what I call nostalgic bias. All the OGs have it, they all swear the OG gear was better. It’s literally the same compounds lab tested as proof that that’s exactly what they are.

I wonder sometimes. I'm guessing you are not a synthetic chemist? There are many steps, blocking, substitution, unblocking, over and over etc. Just because a raw pops up on an HPLC trace or a mass spectrum doesn't mean it's what it's suppose to be. A substituent, like a hydroxyl or a methyl, or a Chloro could be in the alpha configuration than the beta configuration and that wouldn't show up without more examination.. etc etc and so on. The chemistry might be more complicated than you think. We don't know what's going on over in China. We hope it's all OK or at least nearly as pure as we hope but release of these things from real U.S. pharmaceutical companies required way way more tests on release than what Jano or another analytical lab is typically doing for some guy that pay $100 on a forum is going to get. Thank our lucky stars we at least have that but don't think it is God's blessing that what we are taking is close to pharma grade 99% pure USA pharma released product.

So, back to the question, was gear back in the 80s and 90s better? Who knows. My bet is us older guys responded a lot better in our 20s plus at least some of the UGL stuff is not as great as we would like.

 

[Dano22]

I’ve been on 500-2000mg of EQ for 2-3 years straight . Going to come off and see what I notice, never messed with my RBC at all. Only kept it in for AI purposes

 

[RuBould]

I’ve been on 500-2000mg of EQ for 2-3 years straight . Going to come off and see what I notice, never messed with my RBC at all. Only kept it in for AI purposes

What else were you running alongside 500mg? Some guys say that amount tanks their E2.

 

[WED]

What else were you running alongside 500mg? Some guys say that amount tanks their E2.

Seems the ratio is the hardest thing to get right.

 

[Bigjape34]

Seems the ratio is the hardest thing to get right.

I’ve got my eq at 600 and my test is at 700 and last time I got booods I think my e2 was at like 18-22 if I’m correct

 

[WED]

I’ve got my eq at 600 and my test is at 700 and last time I got booods I think my e2 was at like 18-22 if I’m correct

Curious if you've run primo and what your ratios were

 

[Bigjape34]

Curious if you've run primo and what your ratios were

Never ran primo. I don’t foresee myself running it at all or at least until the price goes down haha. I feel like there’s so many lore compounds that you can make progress with and more bang for your buck l. But that’s just my personal
Opinion

 

[WED]

Never ran primo. I don’t foresee myself running it at all or at least until the price goes down haha. I feel like there’s so many lore compounds that you can make progress with and more bang for your buck l. But that’s just my personal
Opinion

yeah, $$ is one reason I'm going to run EQ next over primo

 

[iwilldestroyyou]

I’m curious how much cardio and how well the hydration is of those people who complain of the HBP and Hematocrit issues.

 

[OlePhart]

Winstrol destroys my lipids worse than Var.

I already gave up Var. It destroys my lipids fast.

 

[FearsomeCOR]

No sad face. I asked for a reason. I'd rather be real and not use it than use it and screw myself up.

Still give it a shot imo. Only one way to know, and many tolerate it great.

I’m curious how much cardio and how well the hydration is of those people who complain of the HBP and Hematocrit issues.

Very important points here