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crallin

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I'll start by saying, yes I'm a dumbass. I feel stupid even writing this, but I don't know who else to ask for help. Please don't be too hard on me, I do that enough myself. I started Wellbutrin 150xl approximately 2.5 months ago for depression, just in case that's important.

Prior to the cycle I was taking:
200 Test C per week (3 injections)
600iu HCG per week (3 injections)
5mg cialis daily
150mcg Semaglutide per week for hunger
Daily vitamins including iodine, fish oils, B12, dimm

My friend convinced me to do a cycle with him, I caved under peer pressure. Again, I'm an idiot for being a 41 year old and still giving into peer pressure.

I recently did a cycle with the following for 7 weeks:
525 test c per week (daily injection)
600iu HCG (daily injection)
1.75 mg Anastrozole (.25.x 7)
5mg daily cialis,
5g creatine daily
50 mg Anavar (morning and night)
150mcg Semaglutide per week for hunger
Daily vitamins including iodine, fish oils, B12, dimm
5% Liver protection

I then changed the cycle as I was starting to have minor ED issues. I noticed I was a little softer than usual and not waking up with morning wood. I thought that maybe the Anavar was causing issues, so I cut that out. My ED didn't improve and slightly worsened. I then cut out the 5% liver protection because it has saw palmetto which previously gave me ED issues in the past (I didn't know it was in there otherwise I wouldn't have taken it.) Again, my ED symptoms didn't improve. I checked my E2 at this point and it was 34. So I thought that since most people PCT with HCG, why not up my HCG for a couple of weeks and see if it makes my ED better. I took 2100iu HCG split in 7 doses per week. It was now about week 9 and my ED symptoms have only worsened. This whole time I was taking the above cycle, minus the changes mentioned (525 test c, Anastrozole, 5mg cialis, creatine, Semaglutide, daily vitamins). I then thought maybe Mast or Primo might help improve my ED, so I started taking 425mg of Primo per week split in 7 injections and cut out the anastrozole. After two weeks my ED worsened again, now it was so bad that I couldn't stay hard with the wife, and couldn't orgasm with her either no matter how hard I tried. I couls barely orgasm by myself after lots of work. So I got labs again thinking maybe it's my prolactin or estrogen. My E2 was 63 and my PRL was 3. Nothing crazy out of line, so I took 1mg of Anastrozole impulsively to bring down the E2, instant regret as it was too much. That didn't help, so I bought cabergoline and proviron as another attempt to get my ED issues to go away. I took .25mg of Caber and 50mg of Proviron one day, but this again didn't help. I then caught a cold and started taking DayQuil and Nyquil, my immunity went to shit.

Due to still having a limp noodle and not being able to orgasm, I said fuck it and ended everything going back to my cruise even eliminating Semaglutide and creatine. I've been taking the following for about a week:
200mg Test C
600iu HCG
5mg daily cialis
Daily vitamins
1mg Anastrozole

Still no major improvement other than it's a little easier to orgasm on my own due to taking some time off beating it. I still can't orgasm with the wife, lose my erection in the middle of sex and it's really soft after a few minutes.

Once again, I realize that everything I did to try to fix it only made it worse. The whole time I had a suspicion it was my Wellbutrin prescription that was impacting my ED since I had a loss of penile sensitivity, but still had high mental libido, kind of like coke dick as it's a stimulant that increases dopamine. I didn't want to cut that out which is why I was desperately trying to find something that would work. Other than shaming me, telling me to never do this again, and to suffer with the consequences, is there anything else you would recommend I do? I would greatly appreciate your help with this. Thank you!
 
I'll start by saying, yes I'm a dumbass. I feel stupid even writing this, but I don't know who else to ask for help. Please don't be too hard on me, I do that enough myself. I started Wellbutrin 150xl approximately 2.5 months ago for depression, just in case that's important.

Prior to the cycle I was taking:
200 Test C per week (3 injections)
600iu HCG per week (3 injections)
5mg cialis daily
150mcg Semaglutide per week for hunger
Daily vitamins including iodine, fish oils, B12, dimm

My friend convinced me to do a cycle with him, I caved under peer pressure. Again, I'm an idiot for being a 41 year old and still giving into peer pressure.

I recently did a cycle with the following for 7 weeks:
525 test c per week (daily injection)
600iu HCG (daily injection)
1.75 mg Anastrozole (.25.x 7)
5mg daily cialis,
5g creatine daily
50 mg Anavar (morning and night)
150mcg Semaglutide per week for hunger
Daily vitamins including iodine, fish oils, B12, dimm
5% Liver protection

I then changed the cycle as I was starting to have minor ED issues. I noticed I was a little softer than usual and not waking up with morning wood. I thought that maybe the Anavar was causing issues, so I cut that out. My ED didn't improve and slightly worsened. I then cut out the 5% liver protection because it has saw palmetto which previously gave me ED issues in the past (I didn't know it was in there otherwise I wouldn't have taken it.) Again, my ED symptoms didn't improve. I checked my E2 at this point and it was 34. So I thought that since most people PCT with HCG, why not up my HCG for a couple of weeks and see if it makes my ED better. I took 2100iu HCG split in 7 doses per week. It was now about week 9 and my ED symptoms have only worsened. This whole time I was taking the above cycle, minus the changes mentioned (525 test c, Anastrozole, 5mg cialis, creatine, Semaglutide, daily vitamins). I then thought maybe Mast or Primo might help improve my ED, so I started taking 425mg of Primo per week split in 7 injections and cut out the anastrozole. After two weeks my ED worsened again, now it was so bad that I couldn't stay hard with the wife, and couldn't orgasm with her either no matter how hard I tried. I couls barely orgasm by myself after lots of work. So I got labs again thinking maybe it's my prolactin or estrogen. My E2 was 63 and my PRL was 3. Nothing crazy out of line, so I took 1mg of Anastrozole impulsively to bring down the E2, instant regret as it was too much. That didn't help, so I bought cabergoline and proviron as another attempt to get my ED issues to go away. I took .25mg of Caber and 50mg of Proviron one day, but this again didn't help. I then caught a cold and started taking DayQuil and Nyquil, my immunity went to shit.

Due to still having a limp noodle and not being able to orgasm, I said fuck it and ended everything going back to my cruise even eliminating Semaglutide and creatine. I've been taking the following for about a week:
200mg Test C
600iu HCG
5mg daily cialis
Daily vitamins
1mg Anastrozole

Still no major improvement other than it's a little easier to orgasm on my own due to taking some time off beating it. I still can't orgasm with the wife, lose my erection in the middle of sex and it's really soft after a few minutes.

Once again, I realize that everything I did to try to fix it only made it worse. The whole time I had a suspicion it was my Wellbutrin prescription that was impacting my ED since I had a loss of penile sensitivity, but still had high mental libido, kind of like coke dick as it's a stimulant that increases dopamine. I didn't want to cut that out which is why I was desperately trying to find something that would work. Other than shaming me, telling me to never do this again, and to suffer with the consequences, is there anything else you would recommend I do? I would greatly appreciate your help with this. Thank you!
Wayyy too much shit brother.
Too much adex, e3 crashed, too much hcg for no reason for too long...and sema binds to the Vegus nerve and can totally screw your thyroid, which controls all your hormone balance. Plus you keep roller-coastering your test dose up and down on top of everything else.

What are you doing right now?
 
Why were you taking caber???

Get bloodwork asap then,

Step 1: you need to have some consitency for a while. Steady doses.
Step 2: simplify. Get on test only and drop all the other shit.
Step 3: use aromasin, not adex. So you simply block conversion and let your body set the e2 level, and the aromasin will boost your free-test.
 
Wayyy too much shit brother.
Too much adex, e3 crashed, too much hcg for no reason for too long...and sema binds to the Vegus nerve and can totally screw your thyroid, which controls all your hormone balance. Plus you keep roller-coastering your test dose up and down on top of everything else.

What are you doing right now?
I couldn't agree more. Way too much and too many different changes! I've been taking the following for about a week:
200mg Test C
600iu HCG
5mg daily cialis
Daily vitamins
1mg Anastrozole

I went back to these dosages as I know I was feeling good on this previously with good labs. I know you mentioned switching to aromasin, but I'm nervous to switch the AI as I don't know how much to take, while I know that anastrozole at 1mg gets my e2 in range. I think I finally learned my lesson of not adding in more variables. Could I make this change after I get rid of my ED issues or do you think I need to do this to get my ED figured out?

I took the .25mg Caber one time as a last ditch effort to try to orgasm as I wasn't able to for a week and a half. I knew my prolactin was lower already, but I read about how Caber can make you orgasm easier and that some people take it recreationally. Again, I was thinking maybe my issues were from the Wellbutrin. It was a dumb desperate choice.

My goal of doing all of this was to just put on a little size by doing one cycle which I did accomplish, but I broke my dick. I never thought it would be so complicated as I've been on 200mg Test for a couple of years. Every step I took complicated things worse.
 
I couldn't agree more. Way too much and too many different changes! I've been taking the following for about a week:
200mg Test C
600iu HCG
5mg daily cialis
Daily vitamins
1mg Anastrozole

I went back to these dosages as I know I was feeling good on this previously with good labs. I know you mentioned switching to aromasin, but I'm nervous to switch the AI as I don't know how much to take, while I know that anastrozole at 1mg gets my e2 in range. I think I finally learned my lesson of not adding in more variables. Could I make this change after I get rid of my ED issues or do you think I need to do this to get my ED figured out?

I took the .25mg Caber one time as a last ditch effort to try to orgasm as I wasn't able to for a week and a half. I knew my prolactin was lower already, but I read about how Caber can make you orgasm easier and that some people take it recreationally. Again, I was thinking maybe my issues were from the Wellbutrin. It was a dumb desperate choice.

My goal of doing all of this was to just put on a little size by doing one cycle which I did accomplish, but I broke my dick. I never thought it would be so complicated as I've been on 200mg Test for a couple of years. Every step I took complicated things worse.
I think Wellbutrin can cause Ed problems. That's a lot of adex on just 200 per week. Ur e2 is def still in the shitter. Drop the adex all together and let those levels come back up. You may actually find you like ur e2 a little higher. Pretty sure vaber doesn't make u orgasm quicker. The opposite actually which is why people and porn stars use it so they actually last longer . Other than that, listen to Fletcher said.

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I couldn't agree more. Way too much and too many different changes! I've been taking the following for about a week:
200mg Test C
600iu HCG
5mg daily cialis
Daily vitamins
1mg Anastrozole

I went back to these dosages as I know I was feeling good on this previously with good labs. I know you mentioned switching to aromasin, but I'm nervous to switch the AI as I don't know how much to take, while I know that anastrozole at 1mg gets my e2 in range. I think I finally learned my lesson of not adding in more variables. Could I make this change after I get rid of my ED issues or do you think I need to do this to get my ED figured out?

I took the .25mg Caber one time as a last ditch effort to try to orgasm as I wasn't able to for a week and a half. I knew my prolactin was lower already, but I read about how Caber can make you orgasm easier and that some people take it recreationally. Again, I was thinking maybe my issues were from the Wellbutrin. It was a dumb desperate choice.

My goal of doing all of this was to just put on a little size by doing one cycle which I did accomplish, but I broke my dick. I never thought it would be so complicated as I've been on 200mg Test for a couple of years. Every step I took complicated things worse.
E2 and test have a ratio, ideally 95/5... so dont just look at e2 by itself. Low e2 can kill libido, and gains.
Im about to call it a night.
Let me look at all this tomorrow. Its def fixable. 😎
 
have bloodwork as soon as possible.
experiencing testicle shrinkage? if not, drop HCG
experiencing high E2 symptoms? if not, drop arimidex (and get aromasin instead)
are you on TRT? prescribed?
still running wellbutrin? you got a rx for it or you just used it?
 
The only think that fixes me in this state is to go completely off for 8 weeks with hCG and Clomid for the first half. Crap ED during that 8 weeks but then once back on TRT everything works better. this is all part of the game. This is a big reason why I went completely off for 3 years and 10 years in separate times. Thankfully, we have cialis and viagra now.
 
Do you need that much adex a week? 1.75mg is what I was taking to purposely crash my e2? I would asses other lifestyle choices if you genuinely need that much adex: bodyfat levels being the main one.
 
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have bloodwork as soon as possible.
experiencing testicle shrinkage? if not, drop HCG
experiencing high E2 symptoms? if not, drop arimidex (and get aromasin instead)
are you on TRT? prescribed?
still running wellbutrin? you got a rx for it or you just used it?
I recently had my bloodwork about 2 weeks ago that showed that my E2 was 63 and my PRL was 3. I thought that I needed to always be in range for E2 as that's what my Dr. typically did for my TRT even when my Test was fairly high. I've changed my test dose and my AI since this lab, so I'm going to wait another 3 weeks for labs as they are probably still changing further. That way I have an accurate picture of what is really going on.

Even on 600iu of HCG per week, my balls were tiny because my first TRT pellet doctor told me I didn't need it as I wasn't planning on having more kids. They never really grew in size when my new doctor added HCG, but they have since I upped it for a few weeks to 2100iu/week. I am now back at 600iu/week as I want to maintain testicular size if possible as my wife said she likes them hitting her. The things we do for our wives pleasure, haha.

Right now I'm now experiencing high E2, most likely I'm low as I've noticed joints a little more which has tracked for me when I am low. I skipped my arimidex because of that yesterday and will skip it again tomorrow after reading on this thread about keeping it higher at 95/5 ratio.

My TRT was prescribed by TRTnation, but I stopped using them when I started my cycle and started buying through the sponsers on here (platinum, H&B, yourmuscleshop).

I am going to reduce my Wellbutrin to every other day starting today to start tapering off. My doctor prescribed it for depression as we previously tried Lexapro which caused similar ED issues. He said this one would be different as it up regulates dopamine and norepinephrine. I'm cutting it down though because not having a functioning dick is causing me more anxiety and depression, which sucks because it really did help for awhile.

Thanks for your help!!
 
Do you need that much adex a week? 1.75mg is what I was taking to purposely crash my e2? I would asses other lifestyle choices if you genuinely need that much adex: bodyfat levels being the main one.
When I was taking the 1.75 adex with 525mg test and 600iu HCG my E2 level was at 34. According to both of my TRT doctors I'm a high aromatizer for some reason. When I was on 200mg Test, 600iu HCG, 1mg Adex split over three injections that put my E2 at 55. My bodyfat is about 15% based upon looks from what others on this forum have said despite the stupid machine at my gym saying I'm at 9%. My body calipers say 12% and I have visible abs with lower ab veins, so it's hard to say what my true bodyfat level is honestly. I certainly could lose a little more though and that will be focus after I figure out this ES stuff. I don't want to start a cut on top of this issue. I am going to increase my cardio though as I've been slacking on that recently.

Thank you for your help!
 
Right now I'm now experiencing high E2, most likely I'm low as I've noticed joints a little more which has tracked for me when I am low. I skipped my arimidex because of that yesterday and will skip it again tomorrow after reading on this thread about keeping it higher at 95/5 ratio.
Sorry I mistyped, I meant to say I am not experiencing any high E2 symptoms and instead most likely have low E2.
 
When I was taking the 1.75 adex with 525mg test and 600iu HCG my E2 level was at 34. According to both of my TRT doctors I'm a high aromatizer for some reason. When I was on 200mg Test, 600iu HCG, 1mg Adex split over three injections that put my E2 at 55. My bodyfat is about 15% based upon looks from what others on this forum have said despite the stupid machine at my gym saying I'm at 9%. My body calipers say 12% and I have visible abs with lower ab veins, so it's hard to say what my true bodyfat level is honestly. I certainly could lose a little more though and that will be focus after I figure out this ES stuff. I don't want to start a cut on top of this issue. I am going to increase my cardio though as I've been slacking on that recently.

Thank you for your help!
For context when I was taking 400 mg of deca and 600 mg of Test-C a week, I only used Arimidex once a week. I never got any high estrogen symptoms but you dont know if their low or high unless you get tested. Also some people feel better being a little higher on the estrogen others a little lower than usual.
 
Bloodwork to determine where you're levels are at, go on a cruise. I agree with the rest of folks, you crashed your estrogen levels.
Labcorp results for my test always come back with Total Test and Free Test above their limits when I'm on 200mg/week of Test C. If my total test is above 1500 on a cruise, what should I aim for in regards to my estrogen? According to Fletcher in the post above he said I should have the ratio of 95/5, which would put my goal for E2 at 78. Both of my TRT doctors wanted it below 45 when at this level. The more and more I worked with them, the more I realized how little they knew. So what's a good E2 goal for this Test level?

Also, before I get hate for having my Test level that high on a "cruise," I tried lower test levels and my depression and fatigue were absolutely terrible. Once I reached this level I was able to get out of bed and get to the gym. I know that I am probably shortening my life by keeping it at this level, but my life would have been much much shorter if I didn't up the dose. Depression is a bitch! If I could only find an antidepressant that doesn't cause me ED then I would feel comfortable lowering the Test dose.
 
Try being a little higher on estrogen maybe that could work. 1500 levels test is fine I think. I cruise at 200 mg and have around 1330 test and feel great, no ed no nothing, it’s my baseline cruise.
Goddamn I wish I could get to 1300+ test on just 200mg/week. If I'm not on 350-400+ I barely even feel it now... but I'm also 48 and have used TRT for over a decade.
I cleaned out completely during the first part of Covid/virus and I came off for like 5 months or so, no gear at all, hoping that would sort of 'restart' my receptors. :sneaky:
 
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This is the 123,456th thread I have read where somebody is taking a bunch of hormones and is shocked that his dick doesn't work. then they want to know how to fix it. I'm just not going to pretend there is an answer. Good luck bro.
More and more I see dudes jumping on gear with no fucking clue what they're doing. NONE
It's crazy to me because there are forums, just like this, where you could ask and answer ever question known to man about every substance under the sun... but NOPE. They just order gear, stick themselves with 600mg/week +, and Tren, and 2 different orals... and then wonder why the sides? why the ED? why don't I look like C Bum
fucking morons
 

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