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Easy first cycle - Anavar + Test suggestions

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Hello. I have been weightlifting for a very long time but haven't taken it seriously for a few years. I am 5'10 180lbs and probably around 13-15% BF. I work out heavy with dumbbells and do some occasional running. I'm not looking to get huge, I just want to cut a little fat and put on some strength. I've put on a little fat since leaving the mil so I was hoping for a little kick in the ass. I'm going to hit it hard for another month before I get on the juice.

Right now I'm thinking of a nice easy cycle of:
40mg Anavar ED
250mg Test EW
with some kind of liver support for 6-8 weeks and on the last week start PCT consisting of:
clomid and alphamax (test booster/anti aromatase) and i'll taper off the clomid for 3-4 weeks.

I'm not afraid of injections at all but I would like to keep that to a minimum.

Any suggestions? Should I go with test-e or sustanon?
 
Test e. 500mg per week pinned 250mg Monday and 250mg Thursday. Even if you were only gonna do 250mg total per week you would still want to do 2 pins to keep your levels stable. 250 is a trt dose though so I would recomend 500mg. As far as the var goes you have to get it from a very legit source and it's not cheap. Var is faked ALOT! Usually winny or dbol. I'd just get yourself on a good diet, which you'll need anyway no matter what your on. Get yourself some aromasin to battle estro sides if needed and pick up some nolvadex and clomid for pct. There is a sticky that literally lays it all out for you bro.
 
Xsbobber said:
Test e. 500mg per week pinned 250mg Monday and 250mg Thursday. Even if you were only gonna do 250mg total per week you would still want to do 2 pins to keep your levels stable. 250 is a trt dose though so I would recomend 500mg. As far as the var goes you have to get it from a very legit source and it's not cheap. Var is faked ALOT! Usually winny or dbol. I'd just get yourself on a good diet, which you'll need anyway no matter what your on. Get yourself some aromasin to battle estro sides if needed and pick up some nolvadex and clomid for pct. There is a sticky that literally lays it all out for you bro.
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Thanks, I'll read through them over the weekend. I'll probably bump up a bit on the test then. I was thinking there might be some good sources out there for var if AY look carefully. Although I'm new at this so I gotta figure that out. Been lurking for a bit and taking advice from a coworker who's been on the sauce for a long time.
 
Any questions feel free to pm me bro. I'll give you honest answers and help guide you in the right direction.
 
There is some very well known sources on this board that are awesome. Read some of the reviews and you will be pointed in the right direction. If you have any questions you can pm me as well. Good luck
 
How old are you? Takiing AAS isn't going to help you burn fat if your diet is shitty.
 
Diet,cardio,test with a good AI,,min of 12 weeks will yeild good results..leave the var out,IMO...
 
zionoir626 said:
Diet,cardio,test with a good AI,,min of 12 weeks will yeild good results..leave the var out,IMO...
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Agree. I just ran my first cycle, test c 600MG a week. My diet was decent, but evidently not on point enough to get the results I could have got.

I am new still, but have spent a ton of time reading up. I would go with test only (with an ai), 12 weeks or so as mentioned, and kill it with the diet.

Then take some time off, get the bloods back to normal, and hit it again! Maybe adding something else in the mix, goal specific. That is where I am now, planning second cycle.

Good luck
 
http://www.anabolicsteroidforums.com/showthread.php/184-First-Cycle-and-PCT-2012
http://www.anabolicsteroidforums.com/showthread.php/7813-Post-Cycle-Therapy
good reads you may wana check out
as for your cycle your test dose just needs to come up 500mg/ week should do. 250 is hrt and eventually you will get shut down (HPTA) with 250, better to get shut down with 500 and have more gainz on gainz on gainz then shut down with 250.
i suggest goin with 30mg on the var then bump up to 40 by week 2. some people have stomach problems with var. and if this is your first cycle it should allow you enough time to see how your body responds. Get a good liver support supp like N2 or Liv52. post up your training and diet that you were planning to use in conjunction with your cycle.
 
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Hey guys I've been working long shifts for so long in construction and stopped working out for a while. Now my schedule has eased a bit and I want to try again! I've decided to try the following, please any advice would be much appreciated.

500mg sus (250x2) 1-10/12 weeks
40mg var (if i can find a source i'm comfortable spending on) 4-10/12 weeks

I'm thinking of getting arimidex and doing that every other day on cycle (.5) or as required

and for PCT just clomid for 4-6 weeks and taper off


I've probably gained a couple % bodyfat so I plan to eat better. I already drink a shit ton of water and will incorporate running/crossfit type workout once or twice a week. Still in decent shape thanks to construction but need some work. I have a coworker who's been on for a long time and has given me a bunch of advice but he also has recommended me wfn as a source and after reading around I'm really skeptical. But looking at the guy it's obviously working for him (stack 500). Anyway I'm going to probably just try a bottle of the sus and see how it goes.

I'll keep you guys posted and I am going to check my blood tomorrow and then a few weeks into it!
 
I would skip the sust first cycle and go with enanthate or cyp. 500 mg per week should get you where you want to be but like everyone else is saying, diet will be key. Should do alot more reading regarding pct, the stickies here are pretty awesome. Also having ever last thing on hand is pretty necassary, not just one bottle of sust imo.
 
I was hoping to only have to pin twice a week max which is why I'm stuck on the sustanon thing. I might skip the var altogether for now. I'm living with family right now and I want to keep the gear and pinning to a minimum. I was gonna get everything I needed but I figured if the first bottle sucked (questionable source) then I could go elsewhere. I was also going to do HCG on the last pin for 2 1/2 weeks. I was considering doing novla as well as clomid but I figured I'd be ok with just clomid since it's a pretty mild cycle.

I would like to have everything on hand from the beginning of the cycle. How is the cheap generic clomid and arimidex you find. Are they ever faked?
 
Sust should be taken 3 times a week which is what I'm currently on right now, some say otherwise but the best reviews I have seen are 3x a week. Test e or cyp can be done twice a week. As far as cycle support I would check the sources on the forum, honestly cant give advice on them since I haven't used them. Would deff cut the var out though, first test cycle should yoeld great tesults, if you are nervous about bloat it leaves fairly quickly with a good pct plan.
 
If your going to take anavar i don't think 40mg is even going to cut it, true effects appear at 80 a day atleast for when i did it .. Why not just test/boldenone ?
 
thanks I will look into other types of test if they can be done twice a week. I've never heard of boldenone
 
You can run the sus blend twice a week if you wanted. If you do a side by side comparison of the numbers of what is metabolized daily of the same dose of the blend versus test E or C, there is only a 3 to 6 milligram difference a day at 600 per week. Of course that is from the blend I use, but I would be willing to bet yours is going to be similar. It is not necessary to pin according to the short ester in the sus like many people say. There is what people say and there are numbers from calculating this. I trust the numbers
 
madman said:
thanks I will look into other types of test if they can be done twice a week. I've never heard of boldenone
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Both enth and cyp have long half lives are are typically pinned once every 3.5 days (Monday, Thursday for example).

for a first cycle, including AI and PCT planning, check out the first cycle thread in the AAS subforum.

as for gear, it's your body - why are you injecting something you think is questionable?
 
I'm doing trt level cruising right now at 200mg Test C/EW and just added 80mg Anavar/ED. I'm continuing to make strength gains beyond my Test/Tren cycle which ended 6 weeks ago.

I just had labs and my total Test is nearly 1200 which I think is decent and certainly enough to make gains; especially for a beginner.
 
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Thanks. I have decided to stick to the sustenon. What do yall think of front loading for a few weeks and then going to 2x a week or every 3rd day?

My main concern is with the var as lots of people say you end up getting Winny instead. Im just gonna do.the test for the first cycle until I find a better source or confirm the one I have has legit var.
 
Front loading will only consist of one week. Figure out how much you want to run per week during your cycle and double that for the first week only. That will start you out at your peak right away and maintain for the duration of your cycle
 
Cool, I'll read through the stickies again as I kind of breezed through them a couple times.

Is there any way to get a testosterone test kit over the counter at the pharmacy? I have seen them online.
 
Let me know if I have this dosage thing figured out.

If I for instance buy 2 bottles of sus 250. that's 250mg per 1 cc. So if I take 80% of a cc, that's 200mg.

Now let's say I take the full cc every 3 days, that's 250mg every 6 days, which equals ~ 425mg every week, since 6/7 = .85 and .85x500 = 425

I have to do a little more research but from the above, I would double that dosage for the first week and then dose regularly after that. If I feel ups and downs on the 3 day thing I will increase dosage to 3x a week (mon,wed,fri).

I will also probably replace arimidex with aromasin but still looking around.
 
madman said:
Let me know if I have this dosage thing figured out.

If I for instance buy 2 bottles of sus 250. that's 250mg per 1 cc. So if I take 80% of a cc, that's 200mg.

Now let's say I take the full cc every 3 days, that's 250mg every 6 days, which equals ~ 425mg every week, since 6/7 = .85 and .85x500 = 425

I have to do a little more research but from the above, I would double that dosage for the first week and then dose regularly after that. If I feel ups and downs on the 3 day thing I will increase dosage to 3x a week (mon,wed,fri).

I will also probably replace arimidex with aromasin but still looking around.
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You have the concept for the dosing right. There is nothing wrong with dosing more often if you don't mind sticking yourself with a needle constantly. I've mapped out a couple different ways of doing this for myself in the past. I stick with two injections per week for sus and have not noticed a difference when it is E, but that is just me. The numbers show there isn't a significant difference, but you can be the judge when you pin.

As far as dosing, it will be 583 per week if you take 1 cc E3D. Take the 250 you are injecting over a given period of time and divide it by however many days it is and multiply by 7. If I inject 300 per week, then 300/3=100 per day. 100*7=700 per week. 250/3=83 per day. 83*7=583 per week
 
Damn dude, talk about trying to make a swiss watch out of tooth picks, you're making this way more complicated than it needs to be. 1cc Monday Wednesday Friday...done

Sustenon is overrated. It was all the rage about 10+ years ago before China made things so available, but so were cheque drops and DNP at one point. So if you're dead set on Sustenon then get dead set on at least 3 injections per week like others here have said. Anything less and you wont have stable levels and you'll end up feeling like shit.

You've made a wise choice with Aromasin, particularly with Sustenon, since aromatization will very at different degrees with the testosterone dissipation, there is a possibility for rebound (like with Adex). Aromasin will help with that since the amortization enzymes will have been rendered inactive. But start slow, like 7mg ED see how you feel, then ramp up accordingly.
 
Roughneck_91 said:
So if you're dead set on Sustenon then get dead set on at least 3 injections per week like others here have said. Anything less and you wont have stable levels and you'll end up feeling like shit.
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Not necessarily. Crunch the numbers and see for yourself. There is not much variation. There is more variation between running test E twice a week at 500 compared to 750 than there is in 500 of E and sus
 
weizen said:
Not necessarily. Crunch the numbers and see for yourself. There is not much variation. There is more variation between running test E twice a week at 500 compared to 750 than there is in 500 of E and sus
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That's interesting, and you may be right. But some times the data doesn't translate empirically. Did you set up your own excel calculator? Mind sending it to me? It might make for a good sticky resource...
 
Well I did my first pin and didn't spontaneously combust or anything like that!!!
 

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