DNP. Who has used? Be honest.

[deemo]

I'm not going to go searching for each individual cite as I'm busy today but you can go hunt them down from this.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13181-011-0162-6

Maybe all the people listed above who died from relatively low dosages of DNP had health issues? You never know right

I will just list a few for you from the above link.

Female - Age: 25 - Dosage: 2.88g over 5 days (576mg daily) Final Temperature: 38.9c
Female - Age: NR - Dosage: 10g over 6 weeks (220mg daily) Final Temperature: 41c
Female - Age: 13 - Dosage: 5.4g over 46 days (117mg daily) Final Temperature: 41.9c
Male - Age: 22 - Dosage 2.4g over 4 days (600mg daily) Final Temperature: 38.9c

They only go back to 2010 unfortunately. But thanks to plenty of bodybuilders promoting that DNP can be used safely on forums, because they don't die after a single cycle, I'm sure we will be seeing plenty more in the upcoming years.

Of course these are only a bunch of confirmed deaths that we brought together. If you search enough I'm sure you can find the rest, probably ones that taken place after 2010. And these are only confirmed deaths. If a guy dies from a heart attack at age 40. They are not exactly going to know about the DNP cycle he ran 5 years prior are they.

yup this is enough to steer me away. We’re not doing this for an income (most of us at least), your health is the most important thing you have. This a marathon not a sprint. You can get plenty shredded with just diet. You have Eca, Clen, t3 if you truly need some boost

 

[Montego]

DNP isn't worth it for a few reasons. Death not being the only one.

 

[wrekem]

yup this is enough to steer me away. We’re not doing this for an income (most of us at least), your health is the most important thing you have. This a marathon not a sprint. You can get plenty shredded with just diet. You have Eca, Clen, t3 if you truly need some boost

do you know the health issues to clen? Ever ran helios? Side effects from something like clen can be just as deadly. One of the worst things anyone can mess with is their thyroid hormone. Many bodybuilders wont even use over 12.5mcg. Im not condoning the use of DNP. Personally yes i like it. But the problem with any of these drugs is the unknowns. And how genetics and bodies differ plays a huge role in that. Theres no set dose for anyone for anything. Theres is cause and effect. And effectiveness for what a goal is at a specific dosage in BODYBUILDING. There will never be true studies to back what we want. This a trial and error thing. Like it or not.

 

[Skip Foursome]

Let's not confuse clenbuterol, a pharmaceutical drug, with DNP which is an industrial chemical.

Two way different substances that are apples and oranges.

 

[PinzProp]

do you know the health issues to clen? Ever ran helios? Side effects from something like clen can be just as deadly. One of the worst things anyone can mess with is their thyroid hormone. Many bodybuilders wont even use over 12.5mcg. Im not condoning the use of DNP. Personally yes i like it. But the problem with any of these drugs is the unknowns. And how genetics and bodies differ plays a huge role in that. Theres no set dose for anyone for anything. Theres is cause and effect. And effectiveness for what a goal is at a specific dosage in BODYBUILDING. There will never be true studies to back what we want. This a trial and error thing. Like it or not.

Negged for posting bullshit.

I'm not even going to waste my time ripping your post apart. I'm sure most people on here will know how idiotic it is.

Btw, one of the worst things anyone can do is take DNP and assume its on the same risk level as FDA approved drugs such as clenbuterol, t3, ephedrine ect lol. I've never heard of anyone literally cooking their own organs using clenbuterol, but hey, you know best *sarcasm*.

 

[malfeasance]

Bodybuilders die taking clenbuterol, too.

 

[Montego]

DNP sucks.

 

[Tall Deck]

Bodybuilders die taking clenbuterol, too.

But as many as have died from DNP??? I'm guessing no. And my guess would also be that guys who died from clen, either had underlying heart conditons already, and/or they were stacking the clen with too many other stimulants such as massive caffeine dosages, pre-workout drinks, and perhaps even recreational drugs or diet pills too. But either way, they didn't literally roast to death from the inside out like is the case with DNP causing 106+ body temperatures.

 

[Montego]

I'm just wondering if 200mg daily wasn't enough. I've always heard that 400mg daily is the sweet spot for a lot of guys. But I cannot say if that's even true nor if it's safe. I've never used it. I ordered some many years ago, but those capsules with that yellow powder in them sat in my dresser drawer for years, and I never used them. I got scared because of the possible health risks I had read about DNP

It was enough.

 

[PinzProp]

Bodybuilders die taking clenbuterol, too.

Come on man, you are educated on PED's enough to know that clenbuterol rarely if ever causes death when used as recommended in an otherwise healthy individual.

The risks associated with clenbuterol are basically as @Tall Deck says. They're the same risks as associated with most stimulant drugs. If you have an underlying heart condition, it might kill you. If you abuse it constantly for years on end, it might kill you. If you take an absolutely silly dosage, it might kill you.

What do you hear bodybuilders say when they take a little much clenbuterol? "Shit bro, i had the most horrible palpitations and anxiety" In the same situation with DNP? "Sorry guys, I'm gonna die in the next 12 hours".

Comparing an FDA approved drug with an industrial chemical, giving the impression that they both have similar risk levels is just wrong.

 

[Tall Deck]

My understanding of one of the dangers of DNP, (and the following is precisely why I chose to scrap the DNP that I had purchased many years ago, and chose not to use it) is that your body temperature can continue to rise all through the compound's half-life, (and perhaps beyond it's half-life for that matter for all I know). So if even if you're monitoring your temperature, if after your last dosage taken today, you find that your temperature is already like a low grade fever, it can continue to rise even if you don't take it anymore, and at that point, you're at the mercy of the chemical that you have already put in your body even on the day before.

Perhaps this is just bro-science here, but FWIW, I've read stories of guys realizing that they went too far with DNP, and they're engaged in a furious effort to hold onto their very life by submersing their body in a tub of ice water, while hoping any praying that the present dosage that is already in their body doesn't continue to raise their body temperature until the half-life peak has passed. I mean who can even know for certain? What studies or even accurate logs has anyone done to closely monitor their body temperatures, and have recorded exactly how much they rise, and for how long they do so after each dosage is ingested?

 

[Montego]

My understanding of one of the dangers of DNP, (and the following is precisely why I chose to scrap the DNP that I had purchased many years ago, and chose not to use it) is that your body temperature can continue to rise all through the compound's half-life, (and perhaps beyond it's half-life for that matter for all I know). So if even if you're monitoring your temperature, if after your last dosage taken today, you find that your temperature is already like a low grade fever, it can continue to rise even if you don't take it anymore, and at that point, you're at the mercy of the chemical that you have already put in your body even on the day before.

Perhaps this is just bro-science here, but FWIW, I've read stories of guys realizing that they went too far with DNP, and they're engaged in a furious effort to hold onto their very life by submersing their body in a tub of ice water, while hoping any praying that the present dosage that is already in their body doesn't continue to raise their body temperature until the half-life peak has passed. I mean who can even know for certain? What studies or even accurate logs has anyone done to closely monitor their body temperatures, and have recorded exactly how much they rise, and for how long they do so after each dosage is ingested?

I have one on here. Documented body temps I believe.

 

[Tall Deck]

I have one on here. Documented body temps I believe.

I remember seeing that a long time ago, (might have been when I first joined this board). But I don't remember how often you were taking your temp. If it was merely once per day, then that might not have told the whole story. Just sayin'...but I'll have to look for that, because now I'm also wondering what your highest body temp rose to, and how many consecutive days you took the DNP for.

 

[TX_hempknight]

I have one on here. Documented body temps I believe.

I got to page 5 or 6 of the logs and didnt find it before i had to get back to work. If you have it handy, could you please post a link?

BTW, I saw the log where you were 20% bf, you came a long way sir and quite the inspiration.

 

[wrekem]

Come on man, you are educated on PED's enough to know that clenbuterol rarely if ever causes death when used as recommended in an otherwise healthy individual.

The risks associated with clenbuterol are basically as @Tall Deck says. They're the same risks as associated with most stimulant drugs. If you have an underlying heart condition, it might kill you. If you abuse it constantly for years on end, it might kill you. If you take an absolutely silly dosage, it might kill you.

What do you hear bodybuilders say when they take a little much clenbuterol? "Shit bro, i had the most horrible palpitations and anxiety" In the same situation with DNP? "Sorry guys, I'm gonna die in the next 12 hours".

Comparing an FDA approved drug with an industrial chemical, giving the impression that they both have similar risk levels is just wrong.

Youre an idiot with one sided arguments. Who the fuck in bodybuilding follows proper dosages approved by fda for medical purposes? Id neg you back for being a troll but i just dgaf

 

[malfeasance]

I have one on here. Documented body temps I believe.

That's why I tried it LOL!

 

[malfeasance]

But it did suck. It was miserable. Hot, sweaty all the time. It did work, though. It burned the first couple inches off my waist. After that, I continued the cut with more traditional (and healthier) methods.

 

[jramseyrob]

I used it to cut weight fast to get into a lower weight class when I competed (PL). This was 15 years ago more or less. Def the best fat burner / weight loss supp if you need to cut weight very quickly. I have a post on it here somewhere. I ran it 2-3 times for a week each time. It literally cooks you from the inside out. I remember being kicked out of the wife's bed and sleeping in another room for several nights just staring at the ceiling while the sweat poured off me. My heart was literally pounding out of my chest so strongly that I though it was going to explode. Long and short is that I would not recommend it.

 

[PinzProp]

My understanding of one of the dangers of DNP, (and the following is precisely why I chose to scrap the DNP that I had purchased many years ago, and chose not to use it) is that your body temperature can continue to rise all through the compound's half-life, (and perhaps beyond it's half-life for that matter for all I know). So if even if you're monitoring your temperature, if after your last dosage taken today, you find that your temperature is already like a low grade fever, it can continue to rise even if you don't take it anymore, and at that point, you're at the mercy of the chemical that you have already put in your body even on the day before.

Perhaps this is just bro-science here, but FWIW, I've read stories of guys realizing that they went too far with DNP, and they're engaged in a furious effort to hold onto their very life by submersing their body in a tub of ice water, while hoping any praying that the present dosage that is already in their body doesn't continue to raise their body temperature until the half-life peak has passed. I mean who can even know for certain? What studies or even accurate logs has anyone done to closely monitor their body temperatures, and have recorded exactly how much they rise, and for how long they do so after each dosage is ingested?

The problem with recording body temps while on DNP is that it will work great as a gauge for you, but it wont work for anyone else. For example a 200mg dosage in 2 different people will cause them both to reach a different body temperature. Unfortunately its impossible to set a table out showing how the dosage of DNP equates to the temperature increase. Because the temperature increase will vary from individual to individual.

This is probably why some people have died from taking what would be considered a normal dosage of DNP while others don't even end up in an ER while ramping it up to 500-700mg ED.

You also get some people who are "sensitive" to the chemical. In these people a 200mg dosage could equate to that of 400-600mg.

Its like all drugs, 2 people never react in exactly the same way. Some people feel testosterone after the first few pins. Others it takes 6 weeks. Some people can snort $500 of cocaine in a night and be good. Others can suffer a fatal heart attack off 1 single line. I know I'm going on a little bit here with these examples lol.

Youre an idiot with one sided arguments. Who the fuck in bodybuilding follows proper dosages approved by fda for medical purposes? Id neg you back for being a troll but i just dgaf

Nah bro, you are the one who made it out that DNP had similar risk factors to other "fda" approved drugs such as clenbuterol and T3. Nobody is saying that taking Clenbuterol is safe. I'm not saying that any of these drugs are risk free. What i am saying is that DNP is many many times more dangerous than all these drugs put together. So making out as though they are on a similar risk level is just ridiculous and uneducated.

What happens when a guy goes to the ER with a Clenbuterol overdose? Most of the symptoms and risk factors can be treated. What happens when a guy goes to the ER with a DNP overdose? The doctors can not do much if anything accept for put them in an ice bath and monitor vitals. Again, comparing both a drug and an industrial chemical, giving the impression that they both hold a similar risk level is uneducated at best.

 

[NecroPhil]

So if a guy still has like 20% bf and is most def not shredded do you think that DNP would still work and increase caloric expenditure and add to weight loss? or is DNP really only for dudes in prep trying to loose that extra couple bf %