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Dbol at 40mg a day making me lethargic as HELL...

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Running Dbol at 40mg a day. 20mg pre workout and 20mg before bed. I also take 12.5mg of aromasin with each dose. My weight, strength and endurance are EXCELLENT but DAMN I'M TIRED AS FUKKK ALL THE TIME!

I'm taking ********** Labs Gear Support along with a gallon of water a day. What the HELL is going on?

Also running Test @850mg and NPP @500mg per week..
 
E2 may be high, I'd need 50mg masin a day for your dosage. Also try proviron at 50-100mg day. I get lethargy from drol and tren, viron helps.
 
could also be from RBC spike, hematocrit may be sky high. when i run dbol myblood gets really thick and i start dragging ass. go donate blood.
Running Dbol at 40mg a day. 20mg pre workout and 20mg before bed. I also take 12.5mg of aromasin with each dose. My weight, strength and endurance are EXCELLENT but DAMN I'M TIRED AS FUKKK ALL THE TIME!

I'm taking ********** Labs Gear Support along with a gallon of water a day. What the HELL is going on?

Also running Test @850mg and NPP @500mg per week..
 
but like mentioned, it could be the E2. but to be safe get blood drawn. your personal doc can check your hematocrit easily and have a result for you fast. if that isnt it, then check E2.. but from personal experience, dbol jacks up my RBC's to the moon and donating blood always helps take the lag off.
Dq.. didn't think of that.. thanks I will get it checked!
 
That could explain the crazy hunger pains I get every 30mins after eating ungodly amounts of food? I'm betting on that and my e2.. I'll up the Asin and get bloods. Thanks guys I owe you one!
 
Hmmm.. I'll try bumping the Asin up some. Thanks REHH hope you're doing good dude!

Hey bro, trying to make it work; marriage, buisness and health.... all a struggle it seems...lol.

I agree with donation, def go give, they check hemacrit on the spot, if too high they won't let u donate. Def can help with sides, you'll feel better instantly after the draw.
 
My guess is way to much aromasin and estrogen levels are low. I say that because I ran 100mg Dbol ED recently and found using 12.5mg aromasin ed was too much (lethargy and not the amazing dbol feeling). I found 6.25mg aromasin ed was much better. I think most people go overkill on their AI. Drop the AI for 4 days and see if you feel a lot better.
 
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My guess is way to much aromasin and estrogen levels are low. I say that because I ran 100mg Dbol ED recently and found using 12.5mg aromasin ed was too much (lethargy and not the amazing dbol feeling). I found 6.25mg aromasin ed was much better. I think most people go overkill on their AI. Drop the AI for 4 days and see if you feel a lot better.

Same thing I was thinking.

ive ran Dbol and anadrol together with test around 500-600mg a week and only needed 12.5mg aro eod
 
Same thing I was thinking.

ive ran Dbol and anadrol together with test around 500-600mg a week and only needed 12.5mg aro eod

What did your bloodwork show? Mine shows estrogen high at 46 with 25mg masin and test 500wk. Depends on the person and source.
 
I'm taking 50mg dbol daily and WAS taking aromasin 25mg daily now I only take aromasin on days I pin. And been wondering if that's even too often for me. Seems I am in better mood the LESS aromasin I take.. Weird but getting bloods ASAP tired of guess game.


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My guess is way to much aromasin and estrogen levels are low. I say that because I ran 100mg Dbol ED recently and found using 12.5mg aromasin ed was too much (lethargy and not the amazing dbol feeling). I found 6.25mg aromasin ed was much better. I think most people go overkill on their AI. Drop the AI for 4 days and see if you feel a lot better.
AGREE!!!! ^^^^^^ Watch your nips.!!! They will tell ya real quick.!!

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Estrogen crash possible,,,I have heard claims made of aromasin not crashing estrogen, is this true? To much AI was my first thought, it seems way high. Whats your total cycle?
 
I'm taking 50mg dbol daily and WAS taking aromasin 25mg daily now I only take aromasin on days I pin. And been wondering if that's even too often for me. Seems I am in better mood the LESS aromasin I take.. Weird but getting bloods ASAP tired of guess game.


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Again x2 ^^^^^^ low estro is just as bad as high estro.!!! I agree that people in basic easy stacks over do it with AI's cuz they read about other dudes stacks that are taking many more gears and much higher doses so they think they need the same amount of Ai.!!! Keep Letro and Nolvadex on hand in case of gyno flare ups but use your AI (Asin) accordingly.!!! I could just feel my estro climbing and getting high., i took 1 Asin tablet., 20MG., 3-4 days ago now and have FELT GREAT SINCE.!!! I'm just on cruise so I don't need much AI so if i can cruise at 250mg a week and only take 20mg of Asin EW., I will be happy with that.!!!

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update...

I have been dosing my dbol as usual but have backed off the aromasin and I feel like I'm on crack. I feel amazing.

I think I was crashing e2 levels..

Still getting bloods drawn this week. But im thinking 25mg ed of Asin was killing me.
 
glad you got it sorted out. it is crazy how many variables there are when it comes to hormones. glad you got the issue fixed, get the bloods and keep track of everything. i think your taking the smart route.
update...

I have been dosing my dbol as usual but have backed off the aromasin and I feel like I'm on crack. I feel amazing.

I think I was crashing e2 levels..

Still getting bloods drawn this week. But im thinking 25mg ed of Asin was killing me.
 
So youre taking 25mgs of aromasin ed? Thats alot of AI, this board really pushes these the ai doses so damn much i can only imagine the gains that could have been if you guys werent taking these massive amount of ais. Ive done it both ways, ais, no ais, heavy ai etc and the best results always come when using little to no ai. Estrogen is so anabolic, alot of dbols magic comes from the increase in estro, the extra water making you stronger, comforting joints so you can push harder leading to more muscle. My last heavy bulker I was on 1200mgs of sust, like 40mgs of dbol, 750mgs of deca and I kept my e2 in check with 50mgs proviron ed and .25mgs of adex mwf, thats it. My e2 was 55. Exactly where i like it when im trying to add muscle. The only time i drop it low is when im really starting to get lean on a cutter, but ill keep it still pretty high until my bf gets below 10% or so because once you drop your e2 forget about adding any new muscle tissue. I would suggest dropping that aromasin dose to 12.5mgs ed. 25mgs ed is a big dose. Every single pro or mass monster I know only uses ais when they feel gyno coming on. Friend of mine will typically run 750mgs of sust, 750mgs of test e and 750mgs of test c so 2750mgs total, 100mgs dbol ed, a gram of deca and a gram of eq and his e2 control is 500mgs of mast and either 50 or 100mgs of provi. Now all us little guys are taking a quarter of that but taking 10 times the amount of shit to control e2. Whats wrong with this picture. I listen to the guys whos physique speaks for itself.
 
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Yep. Way too much stane. If you've gotta run it at 50 mgs a day, I'd be changing sources lol. Stane shouldn't crash your e2 either. I

I run alot of orals because I respond well to them. You may try splitting your dose up to 10mgs 4x a day. More even levels. Some will dispute that, but I believe it to be true. You don't just take advil for pain once or twice and it's done. You gotta take doses every so often to maintain pain relief.

Also, liver health. Udca at 250-500mgs a day, nac 600 mgs a day, and methyl b12 a couple times a week will help keep that appetite and energy up as you get further along. Made a huge change for me running orals.

Just some advice per my experience. :)
 
update...

I have been dosing my dbol as usual but have backed off the aromasin and I feel like I'm on crack. I feel amazing.

I think I was crashing e2 levels..

Still getting bloods drawn this week. But im thinking 25mg ed of Asin was killing me.
Good idea to still get bloods done but I think you nailed it brotha and you were just taking too much Asin.!!! You were taking your estro too low.!!! Now you should remember or even log somewhere what your cycle is and how many MG's of what compounds your taking and use it for future reference.!!! Good luck brotha!!!

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So many people here use aromasin, i think adex is superior, sure it can cause a rebound but only if your not the least bit educuated on proper steroid use, or atleast what we consider informed. With adex i can get away with .25mgs mwf with 50mgs of proviron on 1200mgs of test, deca and dbol and my e2 is in the 50s where i like it when im trying to add muscle. I used to use aromasin but after i first started using adex i never looked back. Then i found proviron and thats always been a staple now for my cycles for its e2 control and all its other great benefits.
 
Aromasin will crash your estrogen fast. The guys claiming taking 25mg a day are using bunk shit.
 
Aromasin will crash your estrogen fast. The guys claiming taking 25mg a day are using bunk shit.

Most ignorant bullshit I've heard from a newbie.
I personally use high aromasin and don't crash my E.
At 600 prop I'm using 25ed (split) to mantian roughly around 40E. Likewise I use about 50mg aromasin if I blast on cyp since it causes me to aromatize more than prop.
I know it's not bunk because I have a prescription from TRT for it.
exemastane lowers total estrogen in increments and will lower it by a total % varying in each individual but studies pegged it around the 67% range for 25 or 50mg. Look up the medical journals and educate yourself.

dont comment if you are just going to post ignorant un-factual commentary.


edit: I see red; hopefully nobody takes your posts as truth now until you can contribute something decent for a change.
 
When it comes to estradiol (E2) levels there is no substitute for blood work. Some people get along just fine with little to no AI on fairly heavy cycles, while some get terrible bloat and itchy nipples just looking at a vial of test. No way you can compare "well my buddy ran this and he only needed xx ED of aromasin, so that will work for you too". The only way to determine what is right for you is to blood test about a third of the way into a cycle, and adjust from there.
 
update...

I have been dosing my dbol as usual but have backed off the aromasin and I feel like I'm on crack. I feel amazing.

I think I was crashing e2 levels..

Still getting bloods drawn this week. But im thinking 25mg ed of Asin was killing me.

Story sounds like mine!!


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update...

I have been dosing my dbol as usual but have backed off the aromasin and I feel like I'm on crack. I feel amazing.

I think I was crashing e2 levels..

Still getting bloods drawn this week. But im thinking 25mg ed of Asin was killing me.

How you dosing your Asin currently?


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