Cycle Kickstart advice

[Knarfster]

I am looking at starting my next cycle (4th) in a few weeks. I am going to go dry and lean. Last cycle was NPP driven with Primo and Mast P.

Kickstart 3 weeks of either Dbol or Tbol
TRT Plus dose 150 mg/week (I respond really well, 160mg/week puts me at 1911 Total and 82.5 Free)
Weeks 1-16 Primo 500mg/week
Weeks 1-16 Masteron E 300/week
Week 9 - 16 Anavar 50mg/day

I have never done Dbol and was wondering if I should give that a 3 week try or stay dry and go 3 weeks Tbol. I have both on hand.

Thoughts?

Stats
60 years old
5' 7"

Last 3 dexa scans

Date	Weight	Body Fat %	Fat Mass	Lean Mass	Visceral Fat
07/02/25	164.7 lbs	19.9%	32.9 lbs	125.4 lbs	2.95 lbs
10/03/25	164.7 lbs	12.2%	20.1 lbs	138.1 lbs	1.12 lbs
12/08/25	181.6 lbs	10.6%	19.3 lbs	155.8 lbs	1.15 lbs

 

[foodovergear]

Dbol really have that “good feeling” while on it, it’s more anabolic than tbol, but what i experienced from it, it makes me very bloated. Of course food plays this role, but if you convert alot to e2, i may suggest to stuck with tbol, otherwise you have to up your ai dosage. For that % bf, i would go with tbol. I got the best pumps with tbol, not sides at all and it gives somehow more “clear” energy and again, at this bf you would look way more bigger, more enduranced and the veins gonna pop everywhere, plus from dbol my bp goes up, not a good option for a 60 years old (with all my respect, sir). Just my opinion.

 

[Wardamn]

I'll go with option C: don't Kickstart your cycle and save orals for the end.

 

[Nood]

I'll go with option C: don't Kickstart your cycle and save orals for the end.

Option c as well

 

[Bigjape34]

What’s your e2 at with the primo and mast with only a trt dose

 

[Glycomann]

Yeah, I would move the oral to the back end. Works better than front end.

 

[Knarfster]

What’s your e2 at with the primo and mast with only a trt dose

Test dose is at 175mg right now, E2 18-20. It did get as low as 2.5 when NPP was in the picture so I upped my Test from 130 to 175. 20 seems to bey sweet spot.

 

[Wiseguy]

My friend just my suggestion. I would run all three at 300 each and leave var to the end. IMO dbol doesn't fit with your line up.

One suggestion since I am 61 you might want to take a break in-between cycle. I see you have been running gear back-to-back since July. Trust me that you will have better results if you let your body and organs recover before jumping on another cycle with 4 different compounds. Be safe brother.

 

[JG40]

I understand why Kickstart sounds like a good idea. Gets things going quicker. You see visual changes and you feel like your "on" right from the jump. But in reality cycles should start lower , just enough to produce results then ramp up over time when progress stalls. Save the oral for a boost at the end when progress is slowing.
Why flood yourself in the beginning and then drop the load lower. Doesn't really make sense.

 

[Knarfster]

My friend just my suggestion. I would run all three at 300 each and leave var to the end. IMO dbol doesn't fit with your line up.

One suggestion since I am 61 you might want to take a break in-between cycle. I see you have been running gear back-to-back since July. Trust me that you will have better results if you let your body and organs recover before jumping on another cycle with 4 different compounds. Be safe brother.

I took off 6 weeks from Sept to october, after all bloods came back normal (Hell HDL was 80 after a Anavar Cycle). I will be taking 8 to 12 weeks off after this cycle ends mid January. This next cycle will be Pre-Summer.

 

[HighCotton]

I'm in agreement with a lot of the above. We're basically the same age. Running back to back to back to back cycles seems "A little much" to me. BUT Hey, If your body is tolerating it, blood work, BP, lipids are all remaining in range you're liver & DNA is more attuned to AAS use than mine i would guess.

All that said, The T seems very low for this. I like the combo A LOT, T + Primo + Mast but would suggest maybe 300/300/300. I've run 360/180/360 + 40 Proviron/day then added the 50 Var a day for the last 4 weeks. Cycle lasted 12 weeks & that gave me great visual results for me except my e2 was in the dirt, BP was elevated & my lipids were a bit whacked out. But that was me. It took my system quite a while to get my blood work back to 'normal' numbers. But I'll say it again. I felt Awesome & loved the results enough that I would run that again maybe without the Var. The Var is what really F' ed up my blood work. I'd consider running Turinabol instead of Var.

I'd leave out the Dbol. Just doesn't fit to me. Run the orals on the back end like everyone is suggesting

 

[Knarfster]

I'm in agreement with a lot of the above. We're basically the same age. Running back to back to back to back cycles seems "A little much" to me. BUT Hey, If your body is tolerating it, blood work, BP, lipids are all remaining in range you're liver & DNA is more attuned to AAS use than mine i would guess.

All that said, The T seems very low for this. I like the combo A LOT, T + Primo + Mast but would suggest maybe 300/300/300. I've run 360/180/360 + 40 Proviron/day then added the 50 Var a day for the last 4 weeks. Cycle lasted 12 weeks & that gave me great visual results for me except my e2 was in the dirt, BP was elevated & my lipids were a bit whacked out. But that was me. It took my system quite a while to get my blood work back to 'normal' numbers. But I'll say it again. I felt Awesome & loved the results enough that I would run that again maybe without the Var. The Var is what really F' ed up my blood work. I'd consider running Turinabol instead of Var.

I'd leave out the Dbol. Just doesn't fit to me. Run the orals on the back end like everyone is suggesting

I have to watch the T. I am a super responder. Just 160mg/week puts me at Total 1911 and free of 82.5. To hit high "TRT" like 1000 I have to be at 90mg/week.

My BP is running 125/65 75bpm right now. My E2 was terrible, but a few weeks at 175 put me back around 20.

 

[Meetketchup]

This isn't the 90's. No need to "kickstart." You don't even need the oral at the end. Let the injectables do the work.

 

[Knarfster]

I have always had excellent results finishing with anavar, what's wrong with that?

 

[codem]

250mg/week of test puts me at 1255 total 438 free test. I wonder why my total is so low

 

[Knarfster]

250mg/week of test puts me at 1255 total 438 free test. I wonder why my total is so low

That's not a bad free level, which is the more important of the 2.

 

[HighCotton]

I have always had excellent results finishing with anavar, what's wrong with that?

Absolutely nothing wrong with running var at the end. I've done the same for the last 4 weeks & also achieved very desirable results in the mirror. For me it just fucks with my BP & Lipids, especially my lipids.