Concerned about potential gyno and need some help.

[GymNotEvenOnce]

I have my exam booked for tomorrow. As soon as I get the results I'll share.


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[GymNotEvenOnce]

Here guys as promised now I can see that my alt and ast lowered also my estrogen looks too low I've been doing 10mg everyday should I decrease to 10 mg eod ?
My prolactin looks good too

Pleas anyone advices I'll take thank you !

Current cycle
500 UI HCG WEEKLY
200 mg test E Tuesday and Thursday
Tren a 75 Mg Monday Wednesday and Friday
Aromasin 10 mg everyday

Now I plan on adding anavar towards the end of my cycle for the last 4 weeks

And proviron as well until pct is done.




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[omgbossis34]

Your prolactin does not look good, its floored and that's not healthy. You using caber or b6 for prolactin? Were you sick or dealing with an infection when the bloods were pulled? Raised wbc,platelets,lymphs all suggest something was going on. Not real sure on the raised bilirubin unless its increase is a byproduct of one of the other bloods. Its not to high (most your numbers arent too elevated really) and oddly all my life my bilirubin has always been high. Drs never found a reason, "just is" they said lol. I'd have to go back and see what dose test you were running during blood draws and if dropped down from after cycle how long before I commented on estrogen (which is toward bottom but OK).

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[Skip Foursome]

Liver is doing a little better, not bad.

You still look like your body is fighting something, what it is I have no idea.

You must be running Caber. For most guys that is a waste of time. I run tren-A and NPP together with no Caber and never have issues with high prolactin.

Get off the caber

 

[GymNotEvenOnce]

Your prolactin does not look good, its floored and that's not healthy. You using caber or b6 for prolactin? Were you sick or dealing with an infection when the bloods were pulled? Raised wbc,platelets,lymphs all suggest something was going on. Not real sure on the raised bilirubin unless its increase is a byproduct of one of the other bloods. Its not to high (most your numbers arent too elevated really) and oddly all my life my bilirubin has always been high. Drs never found a reason, "just is" they said lol. I'd have to go back and see what dose test you were running during blood draws and if dropped down from after cycle how long before I commented on estrogen (which is toward bottom but OK).

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I'm also taking 0.25 mg of caber every three days I'm sorry my bad should I drop it ?


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[GymNotEvenOnce]

Liver is doing a little better, not bad.

You still look like your body is fighting something, what it is I have no idea.

You must be running Caber. For most guys that is a waste of time. I run tren-A and NPP together with no Caber and never have issues with high prolactin.

Get off the caber

Yes I'm running caber guess I'm gonna drop it


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[Skip Foursome]

Yes I'm running caber guess I'm gonna drop it


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Caber is way over prescribed. Out of all the guys here that do labs like you are very rarely is there a guy that needs it.

I am currently running methyl tren and that is tren on steroids and I never have an issue.

 

[omgbossis34]

Yea drop the caber absolutely. I pulled this from an article to save some typing, total leukocytic count would be your elevated wbc,nuets and lymphs.

Elevated Total leukocytic count can occur in different condition like infections (bacterial, viral or fungal), systemic disease (e.g.inflamtory bowel diseases and vasculitis), physical stress, cancer especially hematologic malignancies.

Specific increase in one blood element is more indicative of certain medical conditions, e.g neutrophilia (like in your case) in most infections and tissue damage like inflammatory and metabolic diseases. Smoking is well documented to increase the white cell count especially neutrophils.

Although a higher than 11,000 white cells/mcl of blood is considered high, in leukemias the white blood cell counts can reach 100,000.
An elevated*ESR,*LDH*or CRP would be helpful and would make inflammatory changes more likely although not conclusive.

Not one of yours stands out above another though so I'd highly recommend followup bloods to keep an eye on them and be sure they return to normal.

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[GymNotEvenOnce]

Yea drop the caber absolutely. I pulled this from an article to save some typing, total leukocytic count would be your elevated wbc,nuets and lymphs.

Elevated Total leukocytic count can occur in different condition like infections (bacterial, viral or fungal), systemic disease (e.g.inflamtory bowel diseases and vasculitis), physical stress, cancer especially hematologic malignancies.

Specific increase in one blood element is more indicative of certain medical conditions, e.g neutrophilia (like in your case) in most infections and tissue damage like inflammatory and metabolic diseases. Smoking is well documented to increase the white cell count especially neutrophils.

Although a higher than 11,000 white cells/mcl of blood is considered high, in leukemias the white blood cell counts can reach 100,000.
An elevated*ESR,*LDH*or CRP would be helpful and would make inflammatory changes more likely although not conclusive.

Not one of yours stands out above another though so I'd highly recommend followup bloods to keep an eye on them and be sure they return to normal.

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Neutrophilia i .8 higher than normal on my previous test was 1 higher than normal and it was a week apart from each other I tested. But I do hear you and I may have to go to the doc regardless to get antibiotics prescribed to fight whatever infection I have in my system.



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[omgbossis34]

A course of broad spectrum antibiotics may not be a bad idea. Of course I'm no Dr and would definitely ask a DR's opininion. However, I also take DR's at just that, opinions. 3 drs would likely have 3 different opinions and each recommend a different antibiotic. I'd definitely be on the vitamins if your not already including some extra vitamin c. Did you get any liver support? Even milk thistle is good as it does a good job at flushing the liver and that wouldn't hurt when its already stressed.

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[GymNotEvenOnce]

A course of broad spectrum antibiotics may not be a bad idea. Of course I'm no Dr and would definitely ask a DR's opininion. However, I also take DR's at just that, opinions. 3 drs would likely have 3 different opinions and each recommend a different antibiotic. I'd definitely be on the vitamins if your not already including some extra vitamin c. Did you get any liver support? Even milk thistle is good as it does a good job at flushing the liver and that wouldn't hurt when its already stressed.

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Yes sir I'm taking Centrum, complex B + Vitamin C as well as liver support with milk thistle.
Regarding adding anavar and proviron towards the end of the cycle for four week would you say it's a good idea duo to the circumstances?


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[omgbossis34]

Proviron I don't see why not. Var is known to wreck cholesterol levels so i f you were to do it, don't do it without at least some flax seed oil. Your running hcg (admittedly ive not used it,never will) but i read time and time again it effects cholesterol. So you would have 2 things both working against cholesterol (if indeed what ive read is true, skip care to chime in here?). The good thing about var being your choice of oral (any other I'd say no way) is the kidneys break it down. Its actually prescribed to treat liver disease! If you insist on it I'd do a lower dose, 50mg or under especially when we don't know how accurately to prescription dosed it is!
You see, I've read lots of "bro science" about running caber with a 19 nor being terrible for your endocrine system (I'm not fully convinced unless someone has any studies or articles I can review,I'd love to see them, maybe I'll start a thread). IMO what happens is as skip mentioned, most people don't need it and run it then their prolactin is crashed. I'm inclined to research bloods or crashed prolactin levels to see wbc counts were increased BC at this point you have caber saying no prolactin, endocrine system (multiple areas) saying more prolactin, (did u have elevated prolactin and that's y u started caber? Another exert -

In humans, prolactin is produced at least in the anterior pituitary,*decidua,*myometrium, breast,*lymphocytes,*leukocytes*and*prostate.[17][18]*A key regulator of prolactin production is*estrogens*that enhance growth of prolactin-producing cells and stimulate prolactin production directly, as well as suppressing*dopamine.

If your lymphocytes play a part in prolactin control in theory it could be increasing your counts BC its *fighting* to do its job. I'd love to see some bloodwork both on and off 19nors of individuals who crashed caber to look for those same elevations. Whatever you device to do, be safe! If your a few weeks from using var maybe squeeze one more panel in

skip I've think I've seen you comment on caber and 19 nors, any insights on any of this post? Maybe even labs u seen where they crashed prolactin, I can't think of any off hand.

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[GymNotEvenOnce]

I've never had high prolactin I was just playing safe and the safe dose was .25 mg every 3 days of caber.
If I drop caber and take 10 mg of aromasin every other day instead to let my estrogen get a little high would you think my prolactin will go at higher than what it is perhaps to normal ?

I will run bloods again in 2 weeks time


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[GymNotEvenOnce]

Also because I crushed my prolactin levels even within cycle I feel weight loss and fatigue


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[Skip Foursome]

Proviron I don't see why not. Var is known to wreck cholesterol levels so i f you were to do it, don't do it without at least some flax seed oil. Your running hcg (admittedly ive not used it,never will) but i read time and time again it effects cholesterol. So you would have 2 things both working against cholesterol (if indeed what ive read is true, skip care to chime in here?). The good thing about var being your choice of oral (any other I'd say no way) is the kidneys break it down. Its actually prescribed to treat liver disease! If you insist on it I'd do a lower dose, 50mg or under especially when we don't know how accurately to prescription dosed it is!
You see, I've read lots of "bro science" about running caber with a 19 nor being terrible for your endocrine system (I'm not fully convinced unless someone has any studies or articles I can review,I'd love to see them, maybe I'll start a thread). IMO what happens is as skip mentioned, most people don't need it and run it then their prolactin is crashed. I'm inclined to research bloods or crashed prolactin levels to see wbc counts were increased BC at this point you have caber saying no prolactin, endocrine system (multiple areas) saying more prolactin, (did u have elevated prolactin and that's y u started caber? Another exert -

In humans, prolactin is produced at least in the anterior pituitary,*decidua,*myometrium, breast,*lymphocytes,*leukocytes*and*prostate.[17][18]*A key regulator of prolactin production is*estrogens*that enhance growth of prolactin-producing cells and stimulate prolactin production directly, as well as suppressing*dopamine.

If your lymphocytes play a part in prolactin control in theory it could be increasing your counts BC its *fighting* to do its job. I'd love to see some bloodwork both on and off 19nors of individuals who crashed caber to look for those same elevations. Whatever you device to do, be safe! If your a few weeks from using var maybe squeeze one more panel in 

skip I've think I've seen you comment on caber and 19 nors, any insights on any of this post? Maybe even labs u seen where they crashed prolactin, I can't think of any off hand.

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I know for sure my prolactin was crashed on both tren and NPP.

I cannot comment on others other labs as I have not kept track other than to say what you see with the OP here is the norm when using Caber.

But, having said that, there are a few that need the caber so everybody needs to get the analysis done to determine if they need it or not.

 

[GymNotEvenOnce]

Proviron I don't see why not. Var is known to wreck cholesterol levels so i f you were to do it, don't do it without at least some flax seed oil. Your running hcg (admittedly ive not used it,never will) but i read time and time again it effects cholesterol. So you would have 2 things both working against cholesterol (if indeed what ive read is true, skip care to chime in here?). The good thing about var being your choice of oral (any other I'd say no way) is the kidneys break it down. Its actually prescribed to treat liver disease! If you insist on it I'd do a lower dose, 50mg or under especially when we don't know how accurately to prescription dosed it is!
You see, I've read lots of "bro science" about running caber with a 19 nor being terrible for your endocrine system (I'm not fully convinced unless someone has any studies or articles I can review,I'd love to see them, maybe I'll start a thread). IMO what happens is as skip mentioned, most people don't need it and run it then their prolactin is crashed. I'm inclined to research bloods or crashed prolactin levels to see wbc counts were increased BC at this point you have caber saying no prolactin, endocrine system (multiple areas) saying more prolactin, (did u have elevated prolactin and that's y u started caber? Another exert -

In humans, prolactin is produced at least in the anterior pituitary,*decidua,*myometrium, breast,*lymphocytes,*leukocytes*and*prostate.[17][18]*A key regulator of prolactin production is*estrogens*that enhance growth of prolactin-producing cells and stimulate prolactin production directly, as well as suppressing*dopamine.

If your lymphocytes play a part in prolactin control in theory it could be increasing your counts BC its *fighting* to do its job. I'd love to see some bloodwork both on and off 19nors of individuals who crashed caber to look for those same elevations. Whatever you device to do, be safe! If your a few weeks from using var maybe squeeze one more panel in

skip I've think I've seen you comment on caber and 19 nors, any insights on any of this post? Maybe even labs u seen where they crashed prolactin, I can't think of any off hand.

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I've never had high prolactin I was just playing safe and the safe dose was .25 mg every 3 days of caber.
If I drop caber and take 10 mg of aromasin every other day instead to let my estrogen get a little high would you think my prolactin will get higher than what it is perhaps to normal ?

I will run bloods again in 2 weeks time



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[omgbossis34]

I know for sure my prolactin was crashed on both tren and NPP.

I cannot comment on others other labs as I have not kept track other than to say what you see with the OP here is the norm when using Caber.

But, having said that, there are a few that need the caber so everybody needs to get the analysis done to determine if they need it or not.

When I ran npp-tren combo is the first time my nipples leaked lol. However due to that med u may have seen on tv, risperdol, I'm prone. I was given it at the age of 18 and started leaking nipples. We're all different but I agree with you on caber, use when need not as a preventative. If used as a preventative .25mg every other week (or something similar) shouldn't crush prolactin levels and in the common, non predisposed guy who insist on it for preventative measures. That's playing it much safer than going with the common dose that has shown to crush prolactin time and time again.

I've never had high prolactin I was just playing safe and the safe dose was .25 mg every 3 days of caber.
If I drop caber and take 10 mg of aromasin every other day instead to let my estrogen get a little high would you think my prolactin will get higher than what it is perhaps to normal ?

I will run bloods again in 2 weeks time



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Stopping the caber (once its out of your system) will start increasing it right away. A little more estrogen could won't hurt. 10mg EOD or 5mg ed should both be fine.

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[GymNotEvenOnce]

When I ran npp-tren combo is the first time my nipples leaked lol. However due to that med u may have seen on tv, risperdol, I'm prone. I was given it at the age of 18 and started leaking nipples. We're all different but I agree with you on caber, use when need not as a preventative. If used as a preventative .25mg every other week (or something similar) shouldn't crush prolactin levels and in the common, non predisposed guy who insist on it for preventative measures. That's playing it much safer than going with the common dose that has shown to crush prolactin time and time again.





Stopping the caber (once its out of your system) will start increasing it right away. A little more estrogen could won't hurt. 10mg EOD or 5mg ed should both be fine.

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Thank you my good sir


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[REHH]

Had a doc tell me GGT doesn't mean that much because I asked for it specifically.
I'm pretty sure I know what sticky or article you read that from.

Anyway, I assumed the same thing as you about GGT that it indicates liver damage when values are elevated along with it.

The docs opinion :ggt is found in other organs. Liver damage is determined by a in depth ultra sound.

Yes my liver values have been elevated on last couple labs done by my doc so he ordered an ultrasound. Actually had two done by him this year, one to check the heart and this last one to check liver, kidneys etc. They didn't find anything.

 

[Sumner]

Hello,

I really need your honest opinion on this ,
I'm in the beginning of my 4th cycle week of:
-Test E 200 mg Tuesday and Thursday.
-Tbol ED 50Mg.
And recently trenbolone acetate 50 mg Monday,Wednesday and Friday's beginning of second week for trenbolone.

Now everything looks good I'm getting them gains and strength, the only problem is lately i believe I'm getting gyno and feel a little sleepy most of the times I'm home now it's not that advanced yet as I only feel a small bump under my left nipple and mostly a little swollen nipples.
I have been taking aromasin EOD 10 mg since last week when I noticed but it seems it's not helping much...I'm also taking caber 0.25 mg E3D and last but not least also have letro on hand but I'm not sure how to use it or if I should even use it yet, or how do I stop the gyno from carrying on.

So my question is should I go for letro?
Is there a better way to stop the gyno?
How to take letro? I have 2.5 mg pills.
What happens if I completely crash o E2?

Thanks in advance


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Ok I have NEVER had that issue , even back in the 90's we just ran test and didn't even know about AIs , I would get oily skin and backne .... NOW I just ran Tren for the first time last year and it looked like I was getting gyno?? So I jumped on Dostinex ... I no longer take Tren
because it made me a jealous short tempered prick ... anyways I am just saying make sure it's not the Tren causing soft nipples , because mine are always rock hard , and that sounds gay , but I can wear any shirt I want and never have to worry about big fat soft tits ... before I started training again 18 months ago , ( I am a major golf nut ) but I would be sooooo embarrassed wearing a golf shirt because it shows man boobs big time .... well sorry I am getting off topic , but the Tren did make my nippples a little soft and fat looking , and I will not have that ... good luck

 

[GymNotEvenOnce]

Ok I have NEVER had that issue , even back in the 90's we just ran test and didn't even know about AIs , I would get oily skin and backne .... NOW I just ran Tren for the first time last year and it looked like I was getting gyno?? So I jumped on Dostinex ... I no longer take Tren
because it made me a jealous short tempered prick ... anyways I am just saying make sure it's not the Tren causing soft nipples , because mine are always rock hard , and that sounds gay , but I can wear any shirt I want and never have to worry about big fat soft tits ... before I started training again 18 months ago , ( I am a major golf nut ) but I would be sooooo embarrassed wearing a golf shirt because it shows man boobs big time .... well sorry I am getting off topic , but the Tren did make my nippples a little soft and fat looking , and I will not have that ... good luck

About gyno I'm good if turns out it was only water retention from gaining weight too fast my no bitch tits here haha



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[GymNotEvenOnce]

Here we are @chocolatemalt one page behind


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[chocolatemalt]

Yeah I did read this, didn't think I had anything to add. Advice from the others is pretty spot on.

Drop caber for sure. Keep it on hand tho, take it only if future symptoms occur (very specific ones like ED or gyno that happens even while E2 is controlled) and bloodwork confirms prolactin is the culprit. Chances are you can keep it controlled by controlling E2 -- 20-30 range ideally.

Your plans for bloods in 2 wks is excellent. You're way ahead of the curve with some of these other peeps getting none at all.

Looks like you've got a bug and immune system is fighting it, but this happens all the time. Probably 95-99% of "infections" fly below our radar, not big enough to generate a system-wide fever or lethargy, sweats, weakness, etc. Biological warfare is the daily grind as the pathogens try to break our 1 trillion-strong animal cell collective.

Don't take any antibiotics unless you really have a reason to, and even then you gotta know the precise one that will help, the right dose, and the right duration. That last one is important to avoid breeding new superbugs. A doc is best approach here. Careful with broad spectrum choices too since that's often the sledgehammer method of killing a horsefly. You're gonna damage the house in the process. Tons of people these days are suffering from all sorts of ailments caused by bad gut flora (the good ones having been wiped out) resulting in depression, obesity, IBS, etc, and antibiotics appear to be a major cause. If in doubt, go out to the garden and eat some dirt. Or at least an unwashed carrot. Maybe even sit in the dirt naked till you have a muddy ass. Or swim in the lake or ocean for a few hours and let all that phytoplankton and zooplankton invade your mucus membranes. If that doesn't work, get a poop transplant. Ok maybe getting ahead of ourselves here but just keep it in mind eh? You really don't want to be wiping out that gut flora with powerful antibiotics unless you have a good reason, otherwise some of those crazy treatments I mentioned might actually be prescribed by a doc for whatever disease you get.

 

[GymNotEvenOnce]

Yeah I did read this, didn't think I had anything to add. Advice from the others is pretty spot on.

Drop caber for sure. Keep it on hand tho, take it only if future symptoms occur (very specific ones like ED or gyno that happens even while E2 is controlled) and bloodwork confirms prolactin is the culprit. Chances are you can keep it controlled by controlling E2 -- 20-30 range ideally.

Your plans for bloods in 2 wks is excellent. You're way ahead of the curve with some of these other peeps getting none at all.

Looks like you've got a bug and immune system is fighting it, but this happens all the time. Probably 95-99% of "infections" fly below our radar, not big enough to generate a system-wide fever or lethargy, sweats, weakness, etc. Biological warfare is the daily grind as the pathogens try to break our 1 trillion-strong animal cell collective.

Don't take any antibiotics unless you really have a reason to, and even then you gotta know the precise one that will help, the right dose, and the right duration. That last one is important to avoid breeding new superbugs. A doc is best approach here. Careful with broad spectrum choices too since that's often the sledgehammer method of killing a horsefly. You're gonna damage the house in the process. Tons of people these days are suffering from all sorts of ailments caused by bad gut flora (the good ones having been wiped out) resulting in depression, obesity, IBS, etc, and antibiotics appear to be a major cause. If in doubt, go out to the garden and eat some dirt. Or at least an unwashed carrot. Maybe even sit in the dirt naked till you have a muddy ass. Or swim in the lake or ocean for a few hours and let all that phytoplankton and zooplankton invade your mucus membranes. If that doesn't work, get a poop transplant. Ok maybe getting ahead of ourselves here but just keep it in mind eh? You really don't want to be wiping out that gut flora with powerful antibiotics unless you have a good reason, otherwise some of those crazy treatments I mentioned might actually be prescribed by a doc for whatever disease you get.

Lmao thanks bro


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[ROID]

Yes my liver values have been elevated on last couple labs done by my doc so he ordered an ultrasound. Actually had two done by him this year, one to check the heart and this last one to check liver, kidneys etc. They didn't find anything.

I've had a couple of heart scans.

The thing is every doctor has a different opinion. My primary, who dismissed me because I failed a Dt for pot, said my scan came back abnormal. Scar tissue, possible heart attack. Seriously..

Cardiologist laughed and said he was flat out in correct and done a heart cath which showed a perfect Adonis heart.

What surprises me is that I thought medical science was more exact and opinions shouldn't vary as much as they do.

 

[GymNotEvenOnce]

I've had a couple of heart scans.

The thing is every doctor has a different opinion. My primary, who dismissed me because I failed a Dt for pot, said my scan came back abnormal. Scar tissue, possible heart attack. Seriously..

Cardiologist laughed and said he was flat out in correct and done a heart cath which showed a perfect Adonis heart.

What surprises me is that I thought medical science was more exact and opinions shouldn't vary as much as they do.

Jeez dude it's like Gambling



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