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Bout to Pop my "Juice" Cherry! Virgin Cycle • Test E/Var/Arim/Clom fm. Pharmacomstore

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Bout to Pop my "Juice" Cherry! Virgin Cycle • Test E/Var/Arim/Clom fm. Pharmacomstore

[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]Only two months shy of my 29th birthday, and after shedding the proverbial blood, sweat, and tears in the weight room for the past 11 years, I'm less than week from kicking off my inaugural roid cycle! And what better place to keep a detailed log of my progress than here, at the epicenter of the virtual bodybuilding universe, anabolicsteroidforums.com.[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]I waited this long to pop my "juice" cherry because, until recently, I was convinced that I could achieve any result I sought naturally and without "cheating". And because I don't have any aspirations to compete (this is all purely for vanity, I'll admit lol) nor am I interested in developing an Incredible Hulk-like physique, I felt that this was a realistically obtainable goal. And while it's true I've accomplished a lot in the gym sans steroids, and have managed to sculpt a very impressive natural physique, as I stare down the barrel of my 30s, I'm resigned to the fact that I've hit the ceiling of what I can achieve naturally..And to take my development to the next level, some moderate steroid supplementation is necessary.....[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]And so here I am, on the threshold of the next and hopefully final chapter of my long and arduous quest to build my "dream body".[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]Well, that's it for the poetic intro lol.Now onto the brass tacks, or whatever the expression is....[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]Now, the tentative cycle I designed with the help of a retired semipro bodybuilder friend of mine, is a 12 week regimen of anavar, at 60mg per day for weeks 1-6, only, and 300-500mg/ml of Test E, injected once per week into the medial deltoid (weeks 1-4 : 300; 5-8: 400; 9-12: 500).And to counter any possible estrogen aromatizing, I'll be taking Anastrazole/Arimidex along with the test for the duration of the cycle.[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]While I understand that most experts advize against stacking any orals on a first cycle and only running Test, many attest to the success of incorporating a mild suppresant cutting agent, particularly var, at a moderate dose. And because I do have that dual goal of not only adding some bulk, but also trimming fat to achieve the hard, lean, vascular, "dry"physique, I think this is the optimal approach.[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]For PCT it appears that Clomid will be sufficient, (although I do agree that Novad is superior, in general. but given that I'm only doing a 6wk cycle, the test dosing is relatively low, and oxand is only a mild suppresant, and I've never had any issues with low test-- to the contrary, I enjoy a naturally high level of test-- I don't anticipate any issues with rebounding my natty test from clomid alone.[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]Also, my basic stats - 5'11, 190, 16-18% body fat, 300 bench, 515 squat Max, 345 squat (ass to grass form).[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]Any advice on any component of my proposed cycle that you all feel i should tweak or alltogether eliminate, would be greatly appreciated. Or if there's anything I missed that you feel I should add to my cycle to maximize my benefits and/or minimize any possible complications, please let know! [/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]Also, I realize many recommend hcg as an added buffer to estrogenic side-effects, but at the moment it's difficult for me to obtain this from a reputable source.So I'm planning on running the cycle without it. Again, given that this cycle isn't all that aggressive in terms of the dosage and my naturally above average test levels, I feel this is a safe bet. But as with everything I've discussed here, I will defer to your collective guidance and wisdom :)[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]Finally, I would be grateful for any recommendations re: diet plan and workout routine, as I've found the most variation in these areas in terms of what "the experts" recommend. I understand that there is a natural degree of latitude in these areas owing to the fact that diet and exercise regiments are highly individualized and customizable, and to some extent you have to use a trial and error approach to see what works best for you, regularly tweaking and modifying things along the way. Once I have my tentative diet/workout plan "finalized", I'll post it here approximately 3-4 days before I begin my stack, leaving you guys enough time to review it and help me make changes, where needed. [/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]Honestly, I'm so appreciative of this community, because I wouldn't feel comfortable taking this journey without you all. I've learned so much through the forums over the years that's been absolutely invaluable. And although I've never posted before, I feel like you all are family, in a weird way lol. This is hands-down the most reliable and knowledable source I've come across for bodybuilding advice and guidance, and I'm honored to share the next 3 months (and beyond) with you. For without you all I never wouldn've gotten anywhere close to where I am today (and where I hope to be soon)![/FONT][/FONT]
 
Drop the oral. Use I ml of Test a week for a month. See how it goes. You might...no...you WILL be quite surprised (provided the test is legit.)

Stay on 12 weeks then PCT if that what you want to do.

There's always time to do more advanced cycles later.

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Just reread and noticed BF%. You need to lose some more fat before going on a cycle. Honestly, I don't understand how you figure you have paid you dues in the gym with "blood, sweat" etc if you are still that high in BF.
 
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Do the damn thing. Youve made your mind up.

Run the var at the end. My opinion.
 
What Cabo said- All you need for a first cycle ever is 200 mg of test e a week and you will see results. You should start with a low dose like this because you will plateau with AAS just like you did naturally. You can of course increase your dosages at this point but your side effects will be worse. If I were you I would get baseline bloodwork done before starting anything. See what your cbc, lipids, total testosterone and estrogen are now. Are you in good health otherwise?
PS- busting balls on the other post- thinking maybe you were a troll because you said it was bb.com
 
Start off low. Don’t jump right in on high dose or doses. You will screw yourself up later. If you start 400 then second time 600 then third 800. Where do you go after that. See what I’m saying.
So start with 200 ew for 8 weeks. Then next time 300 then next 400. If all is good, still growing stay there. Don’t rush it because five six cycles in your maxed. Start low and gradually go up every couple cycles.
Add in something else second or third cycle. Same thing, low 200 start there and stay at that dose for a couple cycles then slowly increase next cycle.
 
You’re all suggesting he shut himself down just to run at or barely above replacement dose? That will do more harm than good

OP, run 500mg test with the var. Split the test into two pins weekly. You’ll want the HCG too, especially since you’re gonna PCT. Also, use nolva with the Clomid. Your BF is on the high end, it would be best to get that down before you cycle. Get your diet and training dialed in first, tighten that up and get your body fat down, then run your cycle alongside it
 
I pretty much agree with gold. 200mg is my trt dose. That's seems foolish to shut a guy down just to put him at peak normal ranges. Also not a fan of the taper, it's going to take that much longer to hit your upper level blood concentration imo. I say 4-500mg as well. 15% bf isn't terrible either, they prescribe test to men well above that.
 
goldenbrowninla said:
You’re all suggesting he shut himself down just to run at or barely above replacement dose? That will do more harm than good

OP, run 500mg test with the var. Split the test into two pins weekly. You’ll want the HCG too, especially since you’re gonna PCT. Also, use nolva with the Clomid. Your BF is on the high end, it would be best to get that down before you cycle. Get your diet and training dialed in first, tighten that up and get your body fat down, then run your cycle alongside it
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Bingo, why would you replace a natural 700ng total test with only 1000ng test. What’s the point, shut down and will barely notice a difference. I’d go 500-600 a week and an oral if you’d like
 
Tmart said:
Bingo, why would you replace a natural 700ng total test with only 1000ng test. What’s the point, shut down and will barely notice a difference. I’d go 500-600 a week and an oral if you’d like
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2nd this. Why in in the hell would you just switch from natural Test to synthetic test at same level.
 
Run the cycle how you want to.

First run is your best. I would add another oil.

Deca, test, dbol.

As far as having to continually go up in doses, that's wrong.

Stages of abuse

Gear abuse
More gear abuse
Insulin plus even more gear abuse
Insulin, growth, gear abuse

And finally you pay someone that knows what they are doing. You get your diet and training down and go back to the same doses as your first cycle. You'll learn more from a coach in a few months that 5 years on a steroid forum.
 
Wow such bad advice here saying he should start at 200mg per week is pointless and dumb he will get nothing from that. And saying u have to go up in dose every cycle is false also. Research is what is needed here. I like test only as a first cycle 4 to 500 min. I also suggest nolvadex and clomid for pct not just clomid. Imo I would hold off on the var until you are at a much lower bf. This is my opinion

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big_rich said:
Wow such bad advice here saying he should start at 200mg per week is pointless and dumb he will get nothing from that. And saying u have to go up in dose every cycle is false also. Research is what is needed here. I like test only as a first cycle 4 to 500 min. I also suggest nolvadex and clomid for pct not just clomid. Imo I would hold off on the var until you are at a much lower bf. This is my opinion

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I agree 500 min and I would switch to prop and drag it out to a whole 8 weeks minimum. I don’t really see much point to 6 week long ester cycles. Hell its tough to do anything significant in 6weeks.


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Skinnyguy180 said:
I agree 500 min and I would switch to prop and drag it out to a whole 8 weeks minimum. I don’t really see much point to 6 week long ester cycles. Hell its tough to do anything significant in 6weeks.


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Yea I agree, with his ester choice I'd say 12 weeks min

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Get blood tests first.
You are putting the cart before the horse.
As for bf levels, I am more concerned that at your height and weight, you should have more muscle mass.
Good luck.
 
What in the fuck kind of info the first couple people chimed in with. I could t tell if they were serious or not
 
2EEA83EF-33D2-4B45-AFB2-03712FC38F1B.jpegSorry I haven't posted since my OP.But I was waiting until my products arrived in the mail and I shored up my diet program and workout regimen. The shipment was delivered yesterday and, having finalized my protocols, I took my first pin of 300mg this morning, along with 0.5 Arimidex, and 50mg of Var. I firmly believe in frontloading the var to jumpstart gains while waiting the 3-5 weeks for the Test to manifest itself. This approach is backed by enough credible sources in the bodybuilding community that I'm more than confident this is the right approach. Conversely, from my research I haven't come across any convincing sound argument for backloading the Var to "solidify gains", even though this seems to be the more popular route taken, per many of the discussion boards here and elsewhere.Although tbh I wouldn't be surprised if there's very little difference in outcome irrespective of when you decide to incorporate the var in the cycle. Seems like it's more a matter of personal preference...... As for dosing, while I would probably benefit marginally more from 60-80mg of Var for 6 weeks, I'm sticking with the 50mg as this is my first cycle and I want to err on the side of caution.....Now, I also revised my Test dosing to 300mg every four days THROUGHOUT the Test phase of the cycle, so that I'm processing approx 750mg every 10 days. I'm still on the fence about continuing the Test phase for 10 or 12 weeks, and would like some advice on that.....I do respect the advice to cut my BF before beginning the cycle, but unfortunately I do not own calipers atm and I think I may have overstated my BF..(*I included a current photo in this post*)

I plan on going to the gym for the first time in my cycle on Monday (so two days from now). I plan on upping the volume and, but continuing my Chest+arms+shoulders/Legs/chest+arms+shoulders /back /REPEAT progression, with alternating REST, CARDIO days in-between each weightlifting day. I will aim for 2500 Cal/day (400-450 Cal/meal x 6) on training days and 2000 on non-training days (300-350 cal/meal x 6; 20%Fat, 35%Protein ; 45%Carbs (complex, except post workout).

I'll post my benchmark numbers shortly, and after each workout I'll post my log, complete with exercise reps#, set#, &weight #'s, attempting to be as meticulous and detailed in my recording. Also will post my meal log as well.. Thanks for y'all support and comments. I take everything you guys say into account and am always open to adjustments along the way based on your input . That's why I'm doing this in the first place 🙃
 
Good luck bro. Looks like you've done a lot of research and you have a solid base. I don't know that your bf is as high as you think it is but I'm not the best judge of that. It will be interesting to see how you do. You might want to post your log in this subforum: http://www.anabolicsteroidforums.com/forumdisplay.php/28-AAS-Sponsored-and-Unsponsored-Logs
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View attachment 32000Sorry I haven't posted since my OP.But I was waiting until my products arrived in the mail and I shored up my diet program and workout regimen. The shipment was delivered yesterday and, having finalized my protocols, I took my first pin of 300mg this morning, along with 0.5 Arimidex, and 50mg of Var. I firmly believe in frontloading the var to jumpstart gains while waiting the 3-5 weeks for the Test to manifest itself. This approach is backed by enough credible sources in the bodybuilding community that I'm more than confident this is the right approach. Conversely, from my research I haven't come across any convincing sound argument for backloading the Var to "solidify gains", even though this seems to be the more popular route taken, per many of the discussion boards here and elsewhere.Although tbh I wouldn't be surprised if there's very little difference in outcome irrespective of when you decide to incorporate the var in the cycle. Seems like it's more a matter of personal preference...... As for dosing, while I would probably benefit marginally more from 60-80mg of Var for 6 weeks, I'm sticking with the 50mg as this is my first cycle and I want to err on the side of caution.....Now, I also revised my Test dosing to 300mg every four days THROUGHOUT the Test phase of the cycle, so that I'm processing approx 750mg every 10 days. I'm still on the fence about continuing the Test phase for 10 or 12 weeks, and would like some advice on that.....I do respect the advice to cut my BF before beginning the cycle, but unfortunately I do not own calipers atm and I think I may have overstated my BF..(*I included a current photo in this post*)

I plan on going to the gym for the first time in my cycle on Monday (so two days from now). I plan on upping the volume and, but continuing my Chest+arms+shoulders/Legs/chest+arms+shoulders /back /REPEAT progression, with alternating REST, CARDIO days in-between each weightlifting day. I will aim for 2500 Cal/day (400-450 Cal/meal x 6) on training days and 2000 on non-training days (300-350 cal/meal x 6; 20%Fat, 35%Protein ; 45%Carbs (complex, except post workout).

I'll post my benchmark numbers shortly, and after each workout I'll post my log, complete with exercise reps#, set#, &weight #'s, attempting to be as meticulous and detailed in my recording. Also will post my meal log as well.. Thanks for y'all support and comments. I take everything you guys say into account and am always open to adjustments along the way based on your input . That's why I'm doing this in the first place 
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You’re definitely not 16-18% BF, looks less than 6% in that pic. Nevermind what I said about getting your BF down. Good luck with the cycle bro!
 
Less then 6??? I was going to say 11-12 percent but you look like you’re in good condition for a cycle
 
I think 14ish would be pretty close.

Great starting point though.
 
Don’t sweat that every 4 day thing. Shoot on the same day every week at the same time. M/Th is pretty much the go to.

Var is a mild oral so you would be safe to add that in to kickstart strength imo.

I would do a bare minimum of 12 weeks. I actually like 14-16 for long esters
 
Canebrake said:
Don’t sweat that every 4 day thing. Shoot on the same day every week at the same time. M/Th is pretty much the go to.

Var is a mild oral so you would be safe to add that in to kickstart strength imo.

I would do a bare minimum of 12 weeks. I actually like 14-16 for long esters
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When you say to do a bare minimum of 12 weeks, do you mean literally to pin for 12 weeks, or does the 12 refer to the cycle length, minus PCT (10 weeks pinning followed by 2 transitional weeks), or total cycle length inc. PCT?

Unfortunately, I caught a mild case of bronchitis the morning after my first pin (last Fri).And I haven't been able to work out since then. Although instead of suspending and restarting my cycle when I felt better, I didn't want to "waste" the first pin, and I sort of needed a week off anyhow to everything heal up (haven't taken a break from the gym in several months). So I continued with my stack, despite my illness, taking 50mg of Var + 0.5mg Arimidex ED, and pinning again on Monday (My revised stack sched is to pin every Mon/Fri, 300mg each pin (600 per week, rather than 600 every eight days)....Tomorrow (Thursday), I'll be back at the gym. Do you think I'll start to experience any of the benefits of my stack this early into it, particularly given the mild bronchitis I had, or should i just be patient for ano week or so before expecting anything? Also, thinking of upping the Var to 60mg based on some of what I've been reading recently.Wyt? The var is from Pharmacom and that's one of the most solid, reliable sources as far as I know. So there var is prob as pure as it gets, or very clear to it. thanks man!
 

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