Adding low dose deca to trt protocol?

[CLEMAR49]

I am prescribed 200mgs test cyp weekly. Was thinking of adding 100mgs of deca weekly along with semorelin. Looking for any feedback on this. Ive heard of guys adding deca in & staying on it

 

[Bolan]

Sure, a lot of people do it all the time.
Just keep an eye on it with bloodwork.

 

[Cypher]

semorelin Sermorelin

Just run GH.

Just like @Bolan said.

You’re hearing other guys are adding it and running it long term… cool. But what’s your actual reason for adding it? Is it just to throw in another compound (like you were thinking with sermorelin), or do you have a specific goal in mind?

 

[Hablooblah]

I am prescribed 200mgs test cyp weekly. Was thinking of adding 100mgs of deca weekly along with semorelin. Looking for any feedback on this. Ive heard of guys adding deca in & staying on it

Thats the exact regimen I started on years ago. 160mg test 120mg deca and sermorelin. Did wonders for me...tho if I did it again id do what @Cypher said and id just run GH. Such a better compound. Sermorelin takes months or longer to work. GH is worth every penny brother.

 

[Cypher]

Deca messes with me mentally no matter the dose, NPP doesn’t, though it’s been a while since I last ran it.

 

[Biglinc]

I’m prescribed deca for ten weeks at .5 a week, 200 per ml,

 

[Hablooblah]

I’m prescribed deca for ten weeks at .5 a week, 200 per ml,

Only 10 weeks? Alongside trt? When I first started i ran deca year round, was prescribed through ManUp clinic. Its a long ester 10 weeks seems so short.

 

[Meetketchup]

Using 100 mg of deca for possible joint help does not outweigh the heart risks could happen.

 

[Hablooblah]

Deca messes with me mentally no matter the dose, NPP doesn’t, though it’s been a while since I last ran it.

NPP is so smooth for me till about week 9 or 10...then I have to add low dose caber. Still my favorite compound. Never done a large dose Deca cycle always went with NPP

 

[Cypher]

Using 100 mg of deca for possible joint help does not outweigh the heart risks could happen.

Yeah, the whole cardiac remodeling thing is a dealbreaker for me.

 

[Nick060200]

Deca messes with me mentally no matter the dose, NPP doesn’t, though it’s been a while since I last ran it.

Same with me.

 

[Nick060200]

If you're looking for the so called "joint benefits" I didn't see anything at all at about 150mg a week. I was having mental sides even at that dose.

 

[Cypher]

If you're looking for the so called "joint benefits" I didn't see anything at all at about 150mg a week. I was having mental sides even at that dose.

I just share this video because John and Luke explain it far better than I ever could.

View: https://youtu.be/kFw38wLYA3M?si=LE9t0rpGUbcZxrB2

 

[Biglinc]

Ten week cycle

 

[Biglinc]

Unless you’re diabetic gh would be better long term

 

[brew1]

Thats the exact regimen I started on years ago. 160mg test 120mg deca and sermorelin. Did wonders for me...tho if I did it again id do what @Cypher said and id just run GH. Such a better compound. Sermorelin takes months or longer to work. GH is worth every penny brother.

Staying on DECA long-term sounds like a very low dose protocol for joint issues is that your goal for DECA?

Sermorelin is an old school peptide that has been replaced by newer more effective peptides such as Tesamorelin and a CJC-1295/Ipamorelin combo, or even running GH. What is your goal for Sermorelin?

Is your TRT clinic pushing those particular compounds, likely to increase their profit margin?

 

[Hablooblah]

Staying on DECA long-term sounds like a very low dose protocol for joint issues is that your goal for DECA?

Sermorelin is an old school peptide that has been replaced by newer more effective peptides such as Tesamorelin and a CJC-1295/Ipamorelin combo, or even running GH. What is your goal for Sermorelin?

Is your TRT clinic pushing those particular compounds, likely to increase their profit margin?

This was 9 years ago brother...but yes thats exactly why they do it.

 

[brew1]

This was 9 years ago brother...

Wait, what?

 

[Wally954]

Using 100 mg of deca for possible joint help does not outweigh the heart risks could happen.

U think nandralone is that bad on your cardiovascular system?

 

[Wally954]

Same with me.

The only mental side I get besides for not giving a damn about anything is that I start thinking my wife is cheating on me for no reason or I get pissed about her sexual partners that she had before me lol, it just goes round and round in my head nonstop, it takes a couple of months to start happening, but eventually it always does, I just realize it’s the deca fucking with me and try not to let it get to me

 

[Hablooblah]

U think nandralone is that bad on your cardiovascular system?

If it is im screwed. Lol I run NPP every cycle... Bloodwork says otherwise to his comment but Ketchup knows his stuff so...I would imagine he meant running it continuously for long periods of time. Like my original clinic had me on. I was prescribed low dose deca for a year straight when I first started.

 

[Hablooblah]

The only mental side I get besides for not giving a damn about anything is that I start thinking my wife is cheating on me for no reason or I get pissed about her sexual partners that she had before me lol, it just goes round and round in my head nonstop, it takes a couple of months to start happening, but eventually it always does, I just realize it’s the deca fucking with me and try not to let it get to me

Dude...same...ive gotten good at turning off that thought process but it is a challenge sometimes.

 

[grock23]

If you can tolerate nandrolone go for it. Def helps my joints. Im an insomniac asshole on it though. Wish I could take it but its a no go for me.

 

[Cypher]

U think nandralone is that bad on your cardiovascular system?

He probably wouldn't have brough it up if he didn't think so.

The only mental side I get besides for not giving a damn about anything is that I start thinking my wife is cheating on me for no reason or I get pissed about her sexual partners that she had before me lol, it just goes round and round in my head nonstop, it takes a couple of months to start happening, but eventually it always does, I just realize it’s the deca fucking with me and try not to let it get to me

An awesome potential side of 19-nors: rumination and imagined scenarios about the past, present, or future.

 

[Hablooblah]

He probably wouldn't have brough it up if he didn't think so.

An awesome potential side of 19-nors: rumination and imagined scenarios about the past, present, or future.

Our definition of awesome is very different but I can attest that its def a side effect

 

[Cypher]

Our definition of awesome is very different but I can attest that its def a side effect

Nandrolone has been associated with cardiac remodeling: changes in heart structure and function, including thicker, stiffer hearts and early cardiomyopathy-like patterns in long-term users.

What’s the risk of long-term 100 mg Deca causing this? I believe the risk is real, and I don’t think the juice is worth the squeeze.

 

[Hablooblah]

Nandrolone has been associated with cardiac remodeling: changes in heart structure and function, including thicker, stiffer hearts and early cardiomyopathy-like patterns in long-term users.

What’s the risk of long-term 100 mg Deca causing this? I believe the risk is real, and I don’t think the juice is worth the squeeze.

I agree with that 100%. Like I said in another comment the trt+ regimen i was on was 9 years ago. But im glad I know this now ive contemplated adding very low dose npp to my cruises but in reality that would mean me never coming off nandralone fully. So that ideas out the window.

 

[Cypher]

I agree with that 100%. Like I said in another comment the trt+ regimen i was on was 9 years ago. But im glad I know this now ive contemplated adding very low dose npp to my cruises but in reality that would mean me never coming off nandralone fully. So that ideas out the window.

I’m sure there are plenty of old-school TRT practitioners who like it and swear by it.

 

[Wally954]

He probably wouldn't have brough it up if he didn't think so.

An awesome potential side of 19-nors: rumination and imagined scenarios about the past, present, or future.

deca is one of the most studied anabolics ever, and it was designed to have less sides than testosterone in medical use, which it has less androgenic sides for sure . But how much worse for your heart can it be than hi doses of exogenous testosterone? I’m sure if eq, tren, or just about any other anabolic was studied as much as nandralone I’m sure they would say the same shit . I guess I was asking if it’s really that bad or is it exaggerated? A lot of the older body builders used it religiously and swore by it and are still alive today . Is it the nandralone itself or the fact that people are training heavily religiously while using anabolics that is causing the heart growth and stiffening of the arteries?after all the heart is a muscle and anabolics grow muscles.

 

[Cypher]

Deca wasn't engineered as a 'safer' alternative to testosterone, lower androgenic sides were a byproduct of its structure, not the goal. It was built for anemia, osteoporosis, and wasting conditions. The 'milder' reputation also falls apart fast when you compare medical dosing (50mg every few weeks) to what bodybuilders actually run (300–600mg/week). That's not the same drug anymore.

More importantly, the cardiac damage isn't just from training hard. Nandrolone directly causes pathological changes to heart tissue, fibrosis, diastolic dysfunction, shifted myosin expression, and increased arrhythmia risk. A bicep growing is adaptive. Your ventricular wall stiffening and scarring is not.

And the 'old bodybuilders are still alive' take is pure survivorship bias. The ones who died of cardiomyopathy at 48 aren't posting reviews.

Is it the worst compound out there? Probably not. But being the most studied doesn't mean it's the safest, it means we have more documentation of the damage.

The water retention from Deca isn't just bloat, it raises your blood volume, which means your heart is working harder every single beat, for months. Stack that on top of the direct heart tissue scarring it causes and you've got two problems testosterone alone doesn't really give you. The puffy face is a warning sign, not just an aesthetic issue.

If someone feels great adding low-dose Deca to their TRT and they're aware of the tradeoffs, who am I to tell them how to live their life? We're all going out one way or another. I just think long-term nandrolone on top of testosterone is a slow burn toward potential cardiac trouble that plain testosterone alone probably isn't. Your call, your heart.

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