2nd cycle guide_Test Cypionate

[ARS89]

Hi Team, I hope everyone is well.

I am looking to get my 2nd cycle done, I hope you all remember me from my last year post as to what was done by a social influencer, and I know at the end that it was wrong what happened. Ever since have been learning on my diet, playing with the natural test boosters and to be honest have reached 200 pounds, eating around 4k calories a day and try to consume as much as healthy as possible but would take in some Mac during the weekends. My body fat is around 25%, height wise I am 181 cm and 36 years old, I am looking to gain a little bit of more lean body mass and reduce the body fat during the cycle.

Last year post:

Newbie to Forms and Need advice for Cycling and PCT.

So, I am taking baby steps and planning to do another cycle but wanted to run it by all of you if there is something that I need to change or modify. Please see the above post as to what I did last year.

• Week 1-10 – 500mg/week Testosterone Cypionate (250mg/every 3rd day)
• Week 1-4 - 5mg x 5 Dynabol tab daily for 4 weeks
• Week 1-12 – 10mg x 2 twice daily Nolvadex to keep the Gyno at bay.
• Week 3-10 – 1250 iu HCG every 2nd day to keep the nuts health

For PCT:

• Week 13 – 40mg/day Nolvadex & 100mg/day Clomid
• Week 14-16 – 20mg/day Nolvadex & 50 mg/day Clomid

Should I include HCG in my PCT as well?

My Blood tests are in the good range in terms of Lipid, CBC, C-reactive, HB. I haven’t done my Testosterone levels but can fairly gauge they are low given less drive.

Thank you all in advance, not sure if I have missed to add anything, please feel free to share it with me.

 

[LocCycles]

I would not run Dbol with 25% BF and your goal is to reduce fat. (sounds like your goal is to recomp)
Consider running Anavar 10-20mg pwo from weeks 6-16.

 

[Wardamn]

You need to figure out nutrition and training 1st. Go on a cut naturally.

 

[Powerhousehb]

My suggestion would be to go on a cut and work to reduce bodyfat before you run a bulk and add more bodyfat and muscle. You will respond to the bulk better being at a lower body fat plus and it will show better.

 

[GasmanX]

Bro, for your stated goals and current stats, Dbol is one of the worse things to do for yourself. Just cut on a cruise dose if you went the blast/cruise route. If not, I agree with @Wardamn cut natural

 

[Myvirtue]

Good luck on your journey. Always good advice here

 

[Meetketchup]

"My body fat is around 25%"

Cut under 15% first. My 2 cents.

 

[Matt88]

As others have said it would not be a good idea to use dbol with your body fat%

Dbol is a VERY HIGH estrogen converting compound. Testosterone is converted in our bodies by an enzyme known as aromatase. One of the places this enzymes lives in fat tissue so the more fat tissue you have the more estrogen you are going to have. Here is a little write up i did on estrogen. Have a read. You want aromasin or armidex on hand for estrogen.

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[v2OriginStory]

I think for my cut im gonna run like 50mg var daily & like 250mg test cyp per week. var for like 6 weeks and the test cyp for like 12 week. Its just healthier and i feel like blasting is better suited for being in a caloric surplus so you can take advantage and put on a ton of quality mass.

 

[ARS89]

As others have said it would not be a good idea to use dbol with your body fat%

Dbol is a VERY HIGH estrogen converting compound. Testosterone is converted in our bodies by an enzyme known as aromatase. One of the places this enzymes lives in fat tissue so the more fat tissue you have the more estrogen you are going to have. Here is a little write up i did on estrogen. Have a read. You want aromasin or armidex on hand for estrogen.

Estrogen 101 for men: AI`s, SERMs, DHT Derivatives, Low/High symptoms, etc

Let`s talk about Estrogen. I will call it Estrogen 101. The information below is a combination of things I have learned and things I have researched recently in preperation to write this. I am not a doctor and this is not intended to be medical advice. I intend for this to be public use...

www.anabolicsteroidforums.com

This was really a good read and a great effort, loved reading the whole article <3

 

[Matt88]

This was really a good read and a great effort, loved reading the whole article <3

Thank you for your kind words sir. Much appreciated

 

[Andreew2000]

Tried dbol once at 20-40mg daily, besides the 10kg of water or whatever I gained in the first week, it only gave me terrible back and calves pumps, gains were very minimal.

 

[Boykinben82]

Ddol is hands down one of the best bulking oral steroids that exists. With that being said, you have to be able to manage your E2 or you will look like a water balloon, I use Dbol frequently and I don’t retain a bunch of water. I add salt to my food, I drink lots of water and I eat properly. If you don’t do those 3 things then dbol will puff you up with water. But it is not a cutting oral to drop weight. My best advice to you is, no gear or just TRT, 500 calories deficit, high volume, low weight workouts and cardio, cardio, cardio. Good luck bro. Keep us updated on your progress.

 

[ARS89]

I think for my cut im gonna run like 50mg var daily & like 250mg test cyp per week. var for like 6 weeks and the test cyp for like 12 week. Its just healthier and i feel like blasting is better suited for being in a caloric surplus so you can take advantage and put on a ton of quality mass.

Hello everyone.

Since I posted the above message, I have been cutting naturally for the last 1 month with diet and lots of cardio, being able to drop the weight by 4 to 5 kg and my body fat is around 22% But I already look like a newbie in the gym again maybe I am going through muscle dysmorphia. The clothes are loose again and do feel I have lost muscles let alone the fat.

I am thinking of taking the help of Anvar in my fat loss journey. As @cshmoney advised,

• Week 1-6 – 40 mg/daily Anvar
• Week 1-12 - Testosterone Cypionate or Enanthate (250mg/every 4th day)
• Week 3-10 – 1250 iu HCG every 2nd day to keep the nuts healthy
• Week 1-17 - Arimidex at 0.5mg/every other day.

For PCT:

• (PCT) Week 15-17 – 50mg/day Clomid for 3 weeks or Nolvadex 20mg/day for 4 weeks

What do you guys suggest? Should I take something out or include it?

 

[NoTime2Lose]

I would cut down on the HCG. Only run 300 iu twice a week or 500 iu once a week. Then you can cut down on the arimidex. In fact, I would switch out the arimidex and use aromasin instead. Then you might only need 12.5mg aromasin twice weekly.
HCG is estrogenic and the AI will not stop that.

 

[zionoir626]

If you're dead set on the Var..
I would move it to the end..
If you do well, your body will star to reduce your overall fat %..
Then the Var could be more effective in the end..
My o.o2
Z...

 

[Astro95]

When you have no size and lose the fat and extra water that make you think you’re swole you’ll look like a noobie in the gym, because that’s how noobies look. No shame. Worst thing one can do is lose years of training chasing the perma bulk, meaning bulking when already too fat because you think you’re small whenever you try to cut, you’ll never make gains and you’ll always be fat. Get it out the way already, cut. Then lean bulk with a clean diet, your body will be much more insulin sensitive and will respond better to the gear and nutrients you’re feeding it, equals actual gains. If you start to pack on some fat, dial the food back for a couple weeks, then push so on and so forth.

 

[ARS89]

I would cut down on the HCG. Only run 300 iu twice a week or 500 iu once a week. Then you can cut down on the arimidex. In fact, I would switch out the arimidex and use aromasin instead. Then you might only need 12.5mg aromasin twice weekly.
HCG is estrogenic and the AI will not stop that.

Thank you. The only challenge i have with Arimidex is that it is available in Tab form here, Aromasin is not available and the tablet form comes in only 1mg so have to manually break it. So there is a day that i will be taking it higher and lower.

If you're dead set on the Var..
I would move it to the end..
If you do well, your body will star to reduce your overall fat %..
Then the Var could be more effective in the end..
My o.o2
Z...

To swap the cycle and do the Var at the end of the cycle and let the first 6 weeks be on Test alone with HCG and AI.

When you have no size and lose the fat and extra water that make you think you’re swole you’ll look like a noobie in the gym, because that’s how noobies look. No shame. Worst thing one can do is lose years of training chasing the perma bulk, meaning bulking when already too fat because you think you’re small whenever you try to cut, you’ll never make gains and you’ll always be fat. Get it out the way already, cut. Then lean bulk with a clean diet, your body will be much more insulin sensitive and will respond better to the gear and nutrients you’re feeding it, equals actual gains. If you start to pack on some fat, dial the food back for a couple weeks, then push so on and so forth.

I agree with you, hence want to CUT now and get fat out of the way once for and all.

 

[dcdogz]

use the var at the end of a true cut. ive been cutting forever since I was ultra overweight. I tossed var 5 weeks and was a great decision. Probably woulda been better if I had waited a bit longer and lost some more weight but It really lowered my BF probably by 2% (getting compliments non stop), and kept me motivated to continue cutting. probably another 10-15 lbs to go.

 

[Matt88]

Hello everyone.

Since I posted the above message, I have been cutting naturally for the last 1 month with diet and lots of cardio, being able to drop the weight by 4 to 5 kg and my body fat is around 22% But I already look like a newbie in the gym again maybe I am going through muscle dysmorphia. The clothes are loose again and do feel I have lost muscles let alone the fat.

I am thinking of taking the help of Anvar in my fat loss journey. As @cshmoney advised,

• Week 1-6 – 40 mg/daily Anvar
• Week 1-12 - Testosterone Cypionate or Enanthate (250mg/every 4th day)
• Week 3-10 – 1250 iu HCG every 2nd day to keep the nuts healthy
• Week 1-17 - Arimidex at 0.5mg/every other day.

For PCT:

• (PCT) Week 15-17 – 50mg/day Clomid for 3 weeks or Nolvadex 20mg/day for 4 weeks

What do you guys suggest? Should I take something out or include it?

Sir, that is a massive dose of hcg. I would strongly advise you to not run that much. I would suggest 250-300iu EOD .Hcg generally causes a lot of estrogen conversion and you don't want to take that large amount of armidex if you don't have to

Also, .5 armidex EOD is a huge weekly dosage as well. Maybe you need that much but if you don't you're estrogen is going to be crashed and that has a lot of negatives that come with it. I feel like I got hit by a truck with low estrogen mentally and physically. Estrogen is very important as you know from reading my article. Also the anavar being a dht derivative will offer some estrogen Blockade effects as well so when you're using a dht derivative you very well may not need as much armidex

 

[zionoir626]

Var won't give him much help with Estrogen..Overall it will..
Better to have to little high Estrogen than crashed..need a little to help grow..
Z...

 

[Tjl333]

Hello everyone.

Since I posted the above message, I have been cutting naturally for the last 1 month with diet and lots of cardio, being able to drop the weight by 4 to 5 kg and my body fat is around 22% But I already look like a newbie in the gym again maybe I am going through muscle dysmorphia. The clothes are loose again and do feel I have lost muscles let alone the fat.

I am thinking of taking the help of Anvar in my fat loss journey. As @cshmoney advised,

• Week 1-6 – 40 mg/daily Anvar
• Week 1-12 - Testosterone Cypionate or Enanthate (250mg/every 4th day)
• Week 3-10 – 1250 iu HCG every 2nd day to keep the nuts healthy
• Week 1-17 - Arimidex at 0.5mg/every other day.

For PCT:

• (PCT) Week 15-17 – 50mg/day Clomid for 3 weeks or Nolvadex 20mg/day for 4 weeks

What do you guys suggest? Should I take something out or include it?

How was this for you? I did the same except I only did the anavar and Test Cyp this cycle I am working in Masteron

 

[Tjl333]

As others have said it would not be a good idea to use dbol with your body fat%

Dbol is a VERY HIGH estrogen converting compound. Testosterone is converted in our bodies by an enzyme known as aromatase. One of the places this enzymes lives in fat tissue so the more fat tissue you have the more estrogen you are going to have. Here is a little write up i did on estrogen. Have a read. You want aromasin or armidex on hand for estrogen.

Estrogen 101 for men: AI`s, SERMs, DHT Derivatives, Low/High symptoms, etc

Let`s talk about Estrogen. I will call it Estrogen 101. The information below is a combination of things I have learned and things I have researched recently in preperation to write this. I am not a doctor and this is not intended to be medical advice. I intend for this to be public use...

www.anabolicsteroidforums.com

Thanks for posting found this usefulI

 

[zionoir626]

Thanks for posting found this usefulI

We have a nice New Members section to Introduce yourself at..
It's customary to do one..
Thank You..
Z...

 

[ARS89]

How was this for you? I did the same except I only did the anavar and Test Cyp this cycle I am working in Masteron

How was your result.
I haven't started the cycle as waiting for team here to advice if this is good or would i change anything.
Now that i have you as who has run the same then would be valuable for me to learn what where your results?

 

[ARS89]

Sir, that is a massive dose of hcg. I would strongly advise you to not run that much. I would suggest 250-300iu EOD .Hcg generally causes a lot of estrogen conversion and you don't want to take that large amount of armidex if you don't have to

Also, .5 armidex EOD is a huge weekly dosage as well. Maybe you need that much but if you don't you're estrogen is going to be crashed and that has a lot of negatives that come with it. I feel like I got hit by a truck with low estrogen mentally and physically. Estrogen is very important as you know from reading my article. Also the anavar being a dht derivative will offer some estrogen Blockade effects as well so when you're using a dht derivative you very well may not need as much armidex

I am finding it challenging to source a vial for HCG, I can only find ampules of HCG with 5000IU. I can reduce the dose of HCG and inject only .06ml that's not the issue but the whole remaining solution of HCG which I won't inject will go to waste. Can I not use it again? The dose comes in 2 ampules, 1 powder, and 1 water so have to mix both of them to prepare the solution. I am not sure on the shelf life after preparation. Any advice on this front?

 

[ARS89]

I started the cycle on 2nd Nov with the below-anticipated plan for the below weeks

• Week 1-12 - Testosterone Cypionate or Enanthate (250mg/every 4th day)
• Week 7-12 – 40 mg/daily Anvar ( 20 morning 8 am - 20 mg evening 8pm)
• Week 3-10 – 500iu HCG weekly
• Week 1-17 - Arimidex at 0.5mg/every other day.

Started with a weight of 86 kg

 

[Matt88]

I am finding it challenging to source a vial for HCG, I can only find ampules of HCG with 5000IU. I can reduce the dose of HCG and inject only .06ml that's not the issue but the whole remaining solution of HCG which I won't inject will go to waste. Can I not use it again? The dose comes in 2 ampules, 1 powder, and 1 water so have to mix both of them to prepare the solution. I am not sure on the shelf life after preparation. Any advice on this front?

Hello sir, Are you referring to HCG coming in vials? Bc I've never seen HCG in amps. Amps have a glass top that you have to break off in order to open them and they are a 1 time use deal. Vials on the other hand have a rubber stopper and are multi use.

You absolutely do not need to use all your hcg at once. It will last a couple months in the fridge and probably about a month not in the fridge. All peptides (hcg included) comes in power form and you reconstitute them with bacteriostatic water aka reconstitution solution. This solution aka bac water can even be purchased from Amazon. Literally anywhere has it essentially bc it's just water with a very small amount of benzoyl alcohol in it to prevent bacteria growth.

So you can buy any many vials of hcg that you want and just reconstitute (add the bac water) to them as you need them. Store the one with the water in it that u are using in the fridge for a longer shelf life or just a cool dry place for a shorter shelf life. Absolutely no need what so ever to use the full 5k iu all at once

Does that many sense hopefully?

 

[ARS89]

Hello sir, Are you referring to HCG coming in vials? Bc I've never seen HCG in amps. Amps have a glass top that you have to break off in order to open them and they are a 1 time use deal. Vials on the other hand have a rubber stopper and are multi use.

You absolutely do not need to use all your hcg at once. It will last a couple months in the fridge and probably about a month not in the fridge. All peptides (hcg included) comes in power form and you reconstitute them with bacteriostatic water aka reconstitution solution. This solution aka bac water can even be purchased from Amazon. Literally anywhere has it essentially bc it's just water with a very small amount of benzoyl alcohol in it to prevent bacteria growth.

So you can buy any many vials of hcg that you want and just reconstitute (add the bac water) to them as you need them. Store the one with the water in it that u are using in the fridge for a longer shelf life or just a cool dry place for a shorter shelf life. Absolutely no need what so ever to use the full 5k iu all at once

Does that many sense hopefully?

Thank you Matt for your reply.
I have only these 2 available in the market and both comes in ampules.
Sharing below the brand Pregnyl this comes in ampules as you can see, one is a reconstitution solution. The challenge that I have is after I have reconstituted it, how do I store it? Maybe I can use syringe and keep the 1 ml in that Syringe and take the shots from another one as I would only take in .06 ml and use the syringe as a vial
Pregnyl



The other one available here is Provigil HP, below is the picture of the same ampule of hcg and water.

Provigil



Thank you in advance.

 

[Matt88]

Thank you Matt for your reply.
I have only these 2 available in the market and both comes in ampules.
Sharing below the brand Pregnyl this comes in ampules as you can see, one is a reconstitution solution. The challenge that I have is after I have reconstituted it, how do I store it? Maybe I can use syringe and keep the 1 ml in that Syringe and take the shots from another one as I would only take in .06 ml and use the syringe as a vial
Pregnyl
View attachment 111569


The other one available here is Provigil HP, below is the picture of the same ampule of hcg and water.

Provigil

View attachment 111575

Thank you in advance.

I had never seen it in amps. Thanks for sharing a picture Now that I think about it I had heard of it in amps before but it slipped my mind when I wrote my response to you.

What I would suggest is pre load all your shots in insulin syringes with the cap on to cover the needle. Then when you need one you just grab one syringe that is pre loaded and take your shot.