Question about using Nolva for gyno

[AgentSmith]

I have minor gyno in my left chest from a nonexistent PCT years ago. Only a small portion in hard and the rest feels soft. Someone told me that even though it's been so long that nolva alone could get rid of it. I plan on doing a cycle soon and was wondering if I should hold off on the cycle and try the nolva by itself first and get more for later on or just run the cycle with the nolva now? And what mg dose would you suggest?

 

[friendofzeus]

nolva shouldn't get rid of it, but so many people react differently that no one can really tell you for sure or not if it will absolutely work. if you're going to try something like this prior to running a cycle, i'd highly suggest raloxifene for 4-6 months instead of nolva

 

[AgentSmith]

Ok because this guy was like try to use the nolva and follow up with clomid to flush it out. If you could point me in the right direction??? PM me. Thanks.

 

[AgentSmith]

Also I was thinking since it's not that large just putting on muscle and fuck it. I will post a pic when I figure out how. Lol

 

[AgentSmith]

I've got work to do. I know. But it's better then I was a year ago.

 

[weizen]

I don't think running a SERM for months on end is the answer. I know everybody knows somebody that knows somebody who cured themselves from gyno, but once your body starts changing in the manner that develops visual issues, you are probably going to be stuck with them. Putting on more muscle may help with the way it looks now. I honestly don't see why you can't run a cycle as long as you are protecting yourself with an AI and PCT afterwards even if you have suffered some negative sides from a negligent previous cycle. You can't reverse big visual changes, but you can prevent the further development.

 

[AgentSmith]

I don't think running a SERM for months on end is the answer. I know everybody knows somebody that knows somebody who cured themselves from gyno, but once your body starts changing in the manner that develops visual issues, you are probably going to be stuck with them. Putting on more muscle may help with the way it looks now. I honestly don't see why you can't run a cycle as long as you are protecting yourself with an AI and PCT afterwards even if you have suffered some negative sides from a negligent previous cycle. You can't reverse big visual changes, but you can prevent the further development.

Would you run 20mg of nolva along side the cycle and run it a few weeks past? Or???

 

[AgentSmith]

Tren/test btw

 

[weizen]

Would you run 20mg of nolva along side the cycle and run it a few weeks past? Or???

The gyno sets in from high levels of estrogen and nothing to protect you. If you keep the estrogen levels down, there shouldn't be a problem. I don't think running the nolva concurrently is the answer, but if you feel like there are some issues beyond the itchy nips, it might be good to run it until you get your AI adjusted. That is in the event you start becoming worried.

 

[AgentSmith]

Thanks

 

[weizen]

No worries. We all have our opinions and mine will be different than others. Make sure whatever you do makes sense to you.

 

[hightestfuel]

You are running test low- under 300- with the tren? If so you could start low letro (.25) and ramp up over 2 weeks. Everyone is different, but 1.25- 2.5 should keep everything in check, and MAYBE knock out some of the soft tissue.
bloodwork will keep you out of trouble! Get it done, and post it if you have questions. Good luck! Add that muscle!

 

[herbally]

I dunno how effective it is, but I've read protocols using letro only off cycle to reduce pre-existing gyno. Lots of people swear by it, but as usual YMMV. I've done a fair amount of reading on this because I have some minor issues similar to yours, but I haven't tried the letro protocol yet. Also, I think the general consensus is that nolva is used for pct while most typically use arimidex/aromasin/letro during cycle for estrogen management. Hope this helps.

 

[AgentSmith]

What mg amount of Aromasin would you use during and what mg of Nolva would you use post? For how long post?

 

[herbally]

What mg amount of Aromasin would you use during and what mg of Nolva would you use post? For how long post?

Many schools of thought on that. I'm on TRT and using arimidex for AI so I'm not up to speed on either, but, if memory serves me well, a common pct dose for nolva is 40mg ED for 2 weeks followed by 20mg ED for another 2 weeks. I think a previous poster in this thread said 12.5mg aromasin EOD, but I think everyone reacts differently to AI's so you have to pick a common protocol, use it for a while, and then get bloods done once you feel like it's been long enough to stabilize. Then you can adjust from there.

 

[AgentSmith]

This is what I found. Just so you have it if you ever need it.

Dosages

This is dependent on the individual and, also, the amount of aromatizing compounds the person is running. Generally, a good starting dose is 12.5mg ED (every day) or 25mg EOD (every other day). The user must utilize blood work to see how their body is reacting at the starting dosage they choose and then adjust as needed. Experienced anabolic steroid users will usually find a dose they like and stick to it with no problems. As I said already, if you start noticing joint issues then the dose should be lowered; on the other hand, if you start noticing any estrogen related sides, such as puffy or sensitive breasts or water retention, it’s time to increase the dosage.

Half-life

According to literature, the half life is 25-27 hours, which means you can easily get away with taking this drug every other day or once a day

 

[AgentSmith]

Thanks for the help. BTW

 

[AgentSmith]

Also....

Aromasin vs. Arimidex

As illustrated above, the main advantage is aromasin will prevent any estrogen rebound by permanently disabling the aromatase enzyme, while arimidex cannot. Though, arimidex is easier to control in terms of short term dosing; meaning, with short cycles under 8 weeks there is no need to kill your whole estrogen production.

Aromasin vs. Letrozole

Letrozole (letro) is known to be too strong and too harsh. When using higher dosages of letro, many bodybuilders complain of reduced libido and slight depression. This is due to the aromatase in the brain being disabled by letrozole use. It is crucial to control estrogen during cycle, but you should never cripple it or you can face unwanted sides. Even though estrogen is a female hormone, men still need it to function. As with arimidex, letro also cannot boast being a suicidal AI.

 

[chocolatemalt]

I use 25mg aromasin ED but probably aromatize more than the average dude (extra BF% doesn't help either). That's for 1g/wk or less of aromatizing compounds.

The nice thing about aromasin is that it doesn't crash your E2 if your dose is a little high, doesn't rebound after stopping, and has fewer sides.

 

[weizen]

I think the estro rebound issue is looked at more than it really needs to be. If you are running your AI and keeping your estro down and use it up until your PCT or even into your PCT a little bit until your SERM levels stabilize, you won't have issues with rebound. Once your test levels drop and your HPTA is awakening, there is going to be a lack of test for your estrogen to be produced from. The estro rebound concept is a little silly and is really indicative of poor planning/timing. You have to really not know what you are doing or follow some ridiculous protocol. Not to mention the half life of estrogen is so short that it processes rather quickly out of you.

 

[AgentSmith]

I think they are saying other AIs keep the estro low by holding on to aromatizing enzyme and after a period of time it will release it again and can cause it to flood your system causing the rebound. With the Aromasin it binds and doesn't let it go again so you can flush it out with no chance of a rebound. But if estrogen has a short life span I understand your point to

 

[Canebrake]

I think they are saying other AIs keep the estro low by holding on to aromatizing enzyme and after a period of time it will release it again and can cause it to flood your system causing the rebound. With the Aromasin it binds and doesn't let it go again so you can flush it out with no chance of a rebound. But if estrogen has a short life span I understand your point to

Yep

 

[AgentSmith]

So...I ran Aromasin on my first and short cycle. been cruising on 250testc EW. Running that with Nolva and def see a reduction.. Mostly 20mg a day sometimes 40. Going to blast again soon. I will repeat the process again minus the tren and update the thread.

 

[DieStrongDianabol]

The gyno sets in from high levels of estrogen and nothing to protect you. If you keep the estrogen levels down, there shouldn't be a problem. I don't think running the nolva concurrently is the answer, but if you feel like there are some issues beyond the itchy nips, it might be good to run it until you get your AI adjusted. That is in the event you start becoming worried.

Yup! ^