First EQ cycle. Drop NPP or Keep it?

[Reuben]

Curious as to why we are idiots lol

Your advice was fine. Not who I was referring to.

 

[Wardamn]

I wasn't necessarily looking it from that standpoint. Moreso I wanted the E2 suppression of it while also kicking in some muscle building and muscle sparing. I wanted to be able to run more test without relying on an AI. Not that I'm entirely against them. But if I can introduce a compound that is also going to provide other benefits and get the E2 suppression then that is the route I'd like to go as long as the bloodwork checks out. I might find out its a waste of time for that it works just enough for what I want. But if it turns out to be a compound that I need to run at 300-400 and match that with twice as much or 1.5x as much test, it is just probably something I won't be using moving forward.

I get it. It can definitely be used to modulate estrogen. Play around with it and see how it goes.

I was coming at it from a bodybuilding perspective.

 

[Papasquatt69]

That is kind of where I was leaning. Maybe 250 test and walk the EQ up to 100.

Eq baseline is 500mg min. I prefer around 800. My favorite cycle is test, eq, and npp. 800/800/600. If you've not ran eq before go 500/600. Most is dosed at 250/mg so 500 is easy to measure out. And like op already mentioned it doesn't Even start to show/feel until about 12weeks in so a good 1st run is a 16 week with app for the 1st 8-10 weeks to kick start and by the end off the cycle you'll have shed the water retention (if any) from npp.

 

[Wally954]

That is kind of where I was leaning. Maybe 250 test and walk the EQ up to 100.

If you are trying to keep mg doses lower I would opt for dhb over eq, u need less and it works faster and better mg per mg.100 mgs of dhb and 250-300 mg of test would be perfect and you would be happier with the results

 

[RuBould]

If you are trying to keep mg doses lower I would opt for dhb over eq, u need less and it works faster and better mg per mg.100 mgs of dhb and 250-300 mg of test would be perfect and you would be happier with the results

Does DHB also suppress E2?

 

[Glycomann]

Test/EQ/NPP was my favorite mass adding combo. I wouldn't run that in a cut. As a cut for me it's Test/Primo or Test/Mast both with a smidge of nandrolone for balance and joint support.

Everyone is different though. It's always good to check bloods before and 3-5 weeks in, especially estrogen. you don't want estrogen getting too low. Nandrolone tends to make things a little more estrogenic. I think it saves my joints somehow related to that. the older you get the more that helps.

 

[Hablooblah]

I've never needed high doses for my goals. I'm bigger and leaner than 90% of the people I've ever met who ran more gear than me. Why run more if it isn't necessary to get where I want to go? My bloodwork stays clean and I keep moving in the right direction. That's all I'm really after. Sure I could run higher doses and chase the other 10%. But, if I was going to do that it would have been 15-20 years ago. As far as the hole poking. I've chosen to be on TRT for probably the rest of my life. So no additional holes. Sometimes I just put more stuff in the syringe.

Love this attitude brother...its how you stay strong AND healthy. But the commenter wasnt completely wrong 100mg of EQ isnt gonna do much even for a high responder. Unless youre crazy sensitive. It will help manage high e2 sides at that dose tho. Wiyh you 100% on keeping it low and only you know how you respond so if 100mg works do it.

 

[Wally954]

Does DHB also suppress E2?

It does for me, very similar to primo in that regard.i gotta keep test 2 to 1 or 3 to 1 and i still won’t need a ai. 2 to 1 made me feel like crashed estrogen , as soon as i upped the test all symptoms resolved in a day or two.its already alpha reduced so it binds like a mf to aromatase , seems like it competes with estrogen and dht at the receptor.

 

[RuBould]

It does for me, very similar to primo in that regard.i gotta keep test 2 to 1 or 3 to 1 and i still won’t need a ai. 2 to 1 made me feel like crashed estrogen , as soon as i upped the test all symptoms resolved in a day or two.its already alpha reduced so it binds like a mf to aromatase , seems like it competes with estrogen and dht at the receptor.

I may try it in the future. Just finished my NPP vial. Gonna increase test and keep the proviron and HCG for a few weeks and draw fresh bloods. If all looks good I'll walk the test up and start introducing EQ and cut some water with the fat for summer.