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First EQ cycle. Drop NPP or Keep it?

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Currently 6'2 235-240. High teens low twenties BF%. Holding a lot of water so it is hard to say. Coming to the end of a mini bulk. Can still see my abs. Still have muscle separation most places, still vascular. But, no striations. Lower abs and obliques are not distinct. Ready for the summer cut. I was really lean around 210-215. Probably want to get back there but leaner as I have added shoulder and back mass and a little leg mass. Been cruising 112mg Test, 105mg NPP weekly with 750IU HCG. Just added Proviron 20mg daily. Liking that so far. Blood work on the test/npp was stellar just lower free test. Proviron was added for the free test issue rather than upping dosages anywhere else. Slightly high E2 but no symptoms. Gonna get fresh bloods with the Proviron and see how much E2 suppression if any I get. But I was thinking of running a test/eq cycle during the cut to get drier. I was thinking either add the EQ to the current cruise at a relatively low dose. Start at 40mg/wk and walk it up. Or, drop the NPP, up the test and run a "higher" dose of EQ. 40 yrs old. Don't compete. Just like being jacked and all the other androgenic good stuff. Good genes and health is important so I don't typically need to or want to run real high doses of anything. NPP makes me super hungry which is part of the reason I'm inclined to drop it during a cut. I've never run EQ before either which is another reason I'm considering running it along side test only.
 
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I used to love EQ. For me after 14 weeks is where it really started to show on me. I would run atleast 16 weeks and it gave me the best look I think I have ever had. If you run it be sure to keep a check on your BP and donate regularly. I still have enough for another cycle but for health reasons I wont ever touch it again. I think i could get the same results with better diet and no BP issues.

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Wait until your blast to add the EQ.

Test and EQ will make for a good combo on your cut. A good 1st run would be 300-400mg of EQ
 
Bigjape34 said:
Personally I’d wait for the eq until you blast again alongside the npp
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Do a Test/NPP/EQ blast? I'm okay with that. Just would need to figure out a ratio to shoot for. I know from experience I do pretty well 1:1 test/npp. No idea how to fit EQ into that though. Worried a little about crashed E2. Been there and did not enjoy it.
 
RuBould said:
Do a Test/NPP/EQ blast? I'm okay with that. Just would need to figure out a ratio to shoot for. I know from experience I do pretty well 1:1 test/npp. No idea how to fit EQ into that though. Worried a little about crashed E2. Been there and did not enjoy it.
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Run your Testosterone an HRT higher than the other 2 combined.
 
Bolan said:
Depends how big of a run you want to do and are you experienced?

Test @ 500mg/200npp/200EQ would look more like it.
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Not experienced with higher doses. I've always put on muscle easily and never need much to move the needle. Its always been just enough to move in the right direction. Even 400mg total would be the most I ever used.
 
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RuBould said:
Not experienced with higher doses. I've always put on muscle easily and never need much to move the needle. Its always been just enough to move in the right direction. Even 400mg total would be the most I ever used.
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Then Id drop either the EQ or NPP. and run just 2 compounds.
The more experienced you get then you can add in different compounds.
 
Bolan said:
Then Id drop either the EQ or NPP. and run just 2 compounds.
The more experienced you get then you can add in different compounds.
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That is kind of where I was leaning. Maybe 250 test and walk the EQ up to 100.
 
RuBould said:
That is kind of where I was leaning. Maybe 250 test and walk the EQ up to 100.
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Yeah, Eq needs to be run moderately and a long cycle 16+ weeks.
It really don't NEED to but you will have much better results on a higher dose of EQ. Like @Wardamn said 300-400mg is kinda the starting dose of EQ.
 
EQ makes me hungrier than when I use NPP. If you are looking to lose BF just make sure your diet is dialed in. I don’t mind a little Tren Ace this time of year but Tren can be harsh.
 
I’m sure someone has said this already. Just leave it in until you know what EQ is going to do to your estrogen. You might end up wanting to leave it in instead of raising test or lowering EQ
 
RuBould said:
That is kind of where I was leaning. Maybe 250 test and walk the EQ up to 100.
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That would be pointless to run 100. My last run was 600. Like Wardamn said min 300 to 400. I did run a eq/tren blend once at 200/200 and got decent results but I think it was the tren more than the EQ. Do not waste your time running 100 of EQ.

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RuBould said:
That is kind of where I was leaning. Maybe 250 test and walk the EQ up to 100.
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Keep EQ constant during the cycle. This will let you manage estrogen.

If you're going to run a cycle and want to see what EQ does, then run a cycle. 250 test and 100 EQ, why bother poking holes in yourself?
 
Wardamn said:
Keep EQ constant during the cycle. This will let you manage estrogen.

If you're going to run a cycle and want to see what EQ does, then run a cycle. 250 test and 100 EQ, why bother poking holes in yourself?
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I've never needed high doses for my goals. I'm bigger and leaner than 90% of the people I've ever met who ran more gear than me. Why run more if it isn't necessary to get where I want to go? My bloodwork stays clean and I keep moving in the right direction. That's all I'm really after. Sure I could run higher doses and chase the other 10%. But, if I was going to do that it would have been 15-20 years ago. As far as the hole poking. I've chosen to be on TRT for probably the rest of my life. So no additional holes. Sometimes I just put more stuff in the syringe.
 
RuBould said:
I've never needed high doses for my goals. I'm bigger and leaner than 90% of the people I've ever met who ran more gear than me. Why run more if it isn't necessary to get where I want to go? My bloodwork stays clean and I keep moving in the right direction. That's all I'm really after. Sure I could run higher doses and chase the other 10%. But, if I was going to do that it would have been 15-20 years ago. As far as the hole poking. I've chosen to be on TRT for probably the rest of my life. So no additional holes. Sometimes I just put more stuff in the syringe.
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You’ve got the right idea. People telling you to run a lot higher are idiots.
 
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Reuben said:
You’ve got the right idea. People telling you to run a lot higher are idiots.
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Yep we are all idiots.. So you honestly think adding 100mg of EQ is going to do something? I read your post where you said you were taking 300/100 test/EQ. Can you tell us how that worked out for you other than your dick not working? Then a week later your asking about running NPP. The guy asked for honest advice. You have 0 knowledge on anything you have run or understand your bloodwork. Your post show what you have supposedly been running and what you know about compounds. Also running EQ at 65 years old??? If you did who is the idiot here?

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I am curious on the reason "why" EQ has to be run at 3-400 minimum.

If you do 300/100, you're going to ass anabolic and androgenic load to your 300 cycle....so it's going to be more effective than just 300 test, right? Why the magical threshold around EQ? Seems some folks have similar opinions about Mast.

I'm doing EQ for the 1st time and will be doing 3-400 and a test/npp base 2x it to start.
 
WED said:
I am curious on the reason "why" EQ has to be run at 3-400 minimum.

If you do 300/100, you're going to ass anabolic and androgenic load to your 300 cycle....so it's going to be more effective than just 300 test, right? Why the magical threshold around EQ? Seems some folks have similar opinions about Mast.

I'm doing EQ for the 1st time and will be doing 3-400 and a test/npp base 2x it to start.
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EQ is less androgenic than test so it takes a larger dose. Im not possitive but I believe its about 1/2 of test. Its also a long Ester closer to deca.

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Bigtoe said:
EQ is less androgenic than test so it takes a larger dose. Im not possitive but I believe its about 1/2 of test. Its also a long Ester closer to deca.

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Right, but it converts to DHB too? So it's doing something, might not be 1:1 of a test dosage. Ppl seem to come at it from the stand point "you don't get anything" until 3-400
 
WED said:
I am curious on the reason "why" EQ has to be run at 3-400 minimum.

If you do 300/100, you're going to ass anabolic and androgenic load to your 300 cycle....so it's going to be more effective than just 300 test, right? Why the magical threshold around EQ? Seems some folks have similar opinions about Mast.

I'm doing EQ for the 1st time and will be doing 3-400 and a test/npp base 2x it to start.
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Theres a minimum effective dose of everything. If you think EQ at 100mg a week, with 37mgs of that weight being ester, is providing any significant muscle building effects then have at it.
 
WED said:
Right, but it converts to DHB too? So it's doing something, might not be 1:1 of a test dosage. Ppl seem to come at it from the stand point "you don't get anything" until 3-400
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extremely minimal conversion to DHB.

How many cycles of EQ have you run again?
 
Wardamn said:
Theres a minimum effective dose of everything. If you think EQ at 100mg a week, with 37mgs of that weight being ester, is providing any significant muscle building effects then have at it.
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Wardamn said:
extremely minimal conversion to DHB.

How many cycles of EQ have you run again?
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Relax, we're just asking questions here. No one is saying one is right/wrong...

The minimum effective dose is a good point, usually the case in most medications
 
Wardamn said:
Theres a minimum effective dose of everything. If you think EQ at 100mg a week, with 37mgs of that weight being ester, is providing any significant muscle building effects then have at it.
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I wasn't necessarily looking it from that standpoint. Moreso I wanted the E2 suppression of it while also kicking in some muscle building and muscle sparing. I wanted to be able to run more test without relying on an AI. Not that I'm entirely against them. But if I can introduce a compound that is also going to provide other benefits and get the E2 suppression then that is the route I'd like to go as long as the bloodwork checks out. I might find out its a waste of time for that it works just enough for what I want. But if it turns out to be a compound that I need to run at 300-400 and match that with twice as much or 1.5x as much test, it is just probably something I won't be using moving forward.
 

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