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HGH pre-bed

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49yo male, 215lbs at about 10-12% BF. Running Test and Deca and just completed 17 weeks on Retatrutide. Diet is on point...300g carbs, 300g protein, 30g fat. Supplements: EPA/DHA (4g/day), Retatrutide, BPC-157, TB-500, GHK-CU.

I was considering the growth hormone secretagogues, but I may as well just use HGH, especially at my age.

Was thinking 4iu/day, pre-bed. I work Night Shift (2300-0730) and am in bed by 2pm, 5 days/week. I train at 8am, have my pwo shake at about 9:30am, then an hour later another 50g carbs and protein. I eat my pre-bed meal at 1pm which is Jasmine Rice, 96% GB, and chicken breast. How long before bed would I have to cut the carbs?
 
Sounds good, would be a good addition. I have zero plans to drop Hgh unless I have to
 
Meetketchup said:
Don't overthink it. Unless you are eating an ungodly amount of carbs, just eat normally and take before bed.
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200g (cooked) Jasmine rice bout an hour before bed. I do refrigerate my rice prior to eating to turn them into resistant starches, which have less of an impact on blood sugar.
 
JG1 said:
200g (cooked) Jasmine rice bout an hour before bed. I do refrigerate my rice prior to eating to turn them into resistant starches, which have less of an impact on blood sugar.
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That's nothing. When you want to pay attention to timing is if you are eating a ton of carbs and taking a lot of gh. You are doing neither. You're fine. :)
 
Hablooblah said:
I cut carbs 1.5-2 hours before bed. That seems to be the general rule of thumb for pre bed pinning of growth. But there are different schools of thought.
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I could probably cut the carbs off by 12:30pm if I'm in bed by 2pm. Are you doing GH prior to bed as well?
 
JG1 said:
Awesome. Ty. I didn't want to waste the GH.
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Remember GH doesn't spike until roughly 4 hours after injected. Lastly think of the guys in the off-season eating 4-6k calories a day with a ton of carbs yet they take gh pre bed and have high IGF levels. It takes hours for carbs to digest when digested with protein and or fats, so timing isn't a big factor. More important things to worry about. :)

Hope this helps and good luck!
 
Meetketchup said:
Remember GH doesn't spike until roughly 4 hours after injected. Lastly think of the guys in the off-season eating 4-6k calories a day with a ton of carbs yet they take gh pre bed and have high IGF levels. It takes hours for carbs to digest when digested with protein and or fats, so timing isn't a big factor. More important things to worry about. :)

Hope this helps and good luck!
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Great advice. Makes perfect sense!

So, you recommend starting at 2iu initially, and slowly titrate up at what sort of rate? End goal was thinking 4iu, but I could go higher if the juice is worth the squeeze. At 49yo, I figured 4iu would be a good starting point.
 
JG1 said:
Great advice. Makes perfect sense!

So, you recommend starting at 2iu initially, and slowly titrate up at what sort of rate? End goal was thinking 4iu, but I could go higher if the juice is worth the squeeze. At 49yo, I figured 4iu would be a good starting point.
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Yes, because everyone reacts differently. Some hold a ton of water, and some don't. You always want to start low. You can ALWAYS increase if needed. You don't want to wake up with kankles. lol

Just my opinion.
 
Meetketchup said:
Remember GH doesn't spike until roughly 4 hours after injected. Lastly think of the guys in the off-season eating 4-6k calories a day with a ton of carbs yet they take gh pre bed and have high IGF levels. It takes hours for carbs to digest when digested with protein and or fats, so timing isn't a big factor. More important things to worry about. :)

Hope this helps and good luck!
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1 hr post IM. Largest spike.

HGH HATES carbs... I stop carb intake 2 hrs before Pre bed injection.
If Im paying for HGH I want to work correctly (y)(y)

Sorry I have to fact check shit with Google.



For optimal bodybuilding results with HGH injections, it is generally recommended to avoid eating for 1–2 hours before and after administration, particularly at night. Eating, especially refined carbs and sugar, raises insulin, which can inhibit HGH effectiveness. Nighttime injections (before bed) are preferred to align with natural hormone production, avoiding the insulin resistance caused by daytime injections combined with meals.

Key Dietary Considerations with HGH in Bodybuilding:
  • Injection Timing: Administer injections in the evening, with a 2-hour buffer from food intake, this source notes.
  • Avoid Carbs/Sugar:High insulin levels (from carbohydrates) can negate the benefits of HGH,
    notes this post

    .
    • Best Time to Eat: Consume meals 2-3 hours after the injection once insulin levels stabilize, this article suggests.
    • Dietary Support: When using, lean proteins, healthy fats, and low-glycemic foods are typically recommended.
    • Consistency: Administer injections within a consistent time frame each night, often recommended around 9–10 p.m..
 
KellogCrush said:
Endogenous gh is suppressed by insulin. Exogenous is not. Pretty much your entire comment here is outdated myths from old forums.

You literally linked an article on boosting natural gh…
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Yes but isn't that the exact reason to cut carbs prior to bedtime pinning? To avoid insulin resistance? RHGH bypassing the suppression of insulin would lead to higher blood glucose and could, in turn, lead to insulin resistance? So the reason for avoiding carbs ISNT to not "waste" the growth, but to avoid becoming insulin resistant...
 
I will respectfully go with the recent peer reviewed studies, discussions with Dr's and 25 years of examining bloodwork with all types of diets including carb timing over a google search. :)

@Hablooblah Simply do 2iu and get bloodwork done with the eating schedule you want. See the results and adjust accordingly. Do what works for you at that point. You are not wasting gh at 2iu taking in low to mid carbs. Relax and worry about more important things like really dialing in your diet and training.
 
Hablooblah said:
Yes but isn't that the exact reason to cut carbs prior to bedtime pinning? To avoid insulin resistance? RHGH bypassing the suppression of insulin would lead to higher blood glucose and could, in turn, lead to insulin resistance? So the reason for avoiding carbs ISNT to not "waste" the growth, but to avoid becoming insulin resistant...
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It doesn’t matter when you take it. The lypolitic effect will take place regardless food or not causing a bg rise.

Yes if you compare two people, person A taking it with their food and person B not taking gh with their food and just look at their bg after the one with food will be higher. However assuming daily dose is equated, when person B does take their gh that’s a period where person A is not having any rise in bg because they’ve already taken their gh.

Person A may have an higher bg peak that day but also will have more periods of low. Overall pancreatic load will essentially be equal.
 
Meetketchup said:
I will respectfully go with the recent peer reviewed studies, discussions with Dr's and 25 years of examining bloodwork with all types of diets including carb timing over a google search. :)

@Hablooblah Simply do 2iu and get bloodwork done with the eating schedule you want. See the results and adjust accordingly. Do what works for you at that point. You are not wasting gh at 2iu taking in low to mid carbs. Relax and worry about more important things like really dialing in your diet and training.
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The amount of myths still spewed by some about GH in 2026 is honestly insane and expose many having very little to no understanding of how exogenous hormones actually work and differ from endogenous.
 
KellogCrush said:
It doesn’t matter when you take it. The lypolitic effect will take place regardless food or not causing a bg rise.

Yes if you compare two people, person A taking it with their food and person B not taking gh with their food and just look at their bg after the one with food will be higher. However assuming daily dose is equated, when person B does take their gh that’s a period where person A is not having any rise in bg because they’ve already taken their gh.

Person A may have an higher bg peak that day but also will have more periods of low. Overall pancreatic load will essentially be equal.
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Okay, is this dosage dependent? Im on 5 i.u. of growth taken at night, is there a threshold to where it does matter? Say i bump it up to 8 i.u...If so im sure its person dependent of course but generally speaking, or are you saying it just does not matter at all if you take it high carb or not no matter what dose. Im new to hgh only been running it for several months, and every other bit of information I've cone across is counter to what you are saying, not saying youre wrong maybe the info is outdated.
 
Hablooblah said:
Okay, is this dosage dependent? Im on 5 i.u. of growth taken at night, is there a threshold to where it does matter? Say i bump it up to 8 i.u...If so im sure its person dependent of course but generally speaking, or are you saying it just does not matter at all if you take it high carb or not no matter what dose. Im new to hgh only been running it for several months, and every other bit of information I've cone across is counter to what you are saying, not saying youre wrong maybe the info is outdated.
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Well effect of blood glucose can be dose dependent yes, but what I said still remains true that total pancreatic load will be roughly the same no matter when taken.

Did you actually understand what I wrote? Does that make sense to you?
 

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