WTF is it with locking threads?

[codem]

There was a thread where @GYMnTONIC fully explained why that thread was deleted. It wasnt the mods. It was because of the dude that made the original accusation withdrew everything.

That's untrue, but I don't care to discuss a deleted thread.

 

[Big_Jimmy434]

That's untrue, but I don't care to discuss a deleted thread.

Which part? I read the thread.

 

[victorystreak]

Which part? I read the thread.

That’s completely false. There’s like 10 other threads on other forums about YMS being involved in a massive LE investigation.

Why this forum continues to allow them? Who fucking knows lol. Greed is a hell of a drug.

Just ban me too I’m done shutting me mouth about it. Because clearly they will ban if you if you discuss this.

 

[HFO4]

They banned @yinjuju for discussing the truth about YMS and going off on PSL scamming with test prop in their primo then they locked that thread. I have absolutely 0 respect lately how this forum is handling YMS situation. They are selling fucking narcotics and their LE threads even in the pit got deleted.

@HFO4 @heavyiron is there any update as to why yinjuju got banned after calling out YMS? There's definitely a mod on here protecting YMS or other mod-endorsed vendors on here. They should be subjugated to the same hell that Dutch, Azteca, PSL, and everyone else that got called out for the same shit, except theirs seems worse. No mods ever responded to the people asking in the thread posted about PSL and YMS scamming their customers, people wanna know why that guy was banned after rightfully so calling out these vendors.

I believe thats the guys talking about an open investigation, IIRC and thats a NOGO, period,

as for the new janoshik thread, I dont believe those are connected but I could be wrong. Ive been super busy today and haven’t read all the way through it, even if so, delete the posts, My understanding is the thread is about prop being sold as primo

 

[victorystreak]

I believe thats the guys talking about an open investigation, IIRC and thats a NOGO, period,

as for the new janoshik thread, I dont believe those are connected but I could be wrong. Ive been super busy today and haven’t read all the way through it, even if so, delete the posts, My understanding is the thread is about prop being sold as primo

this is absolutely no offense to you whatsoever, because I appreciate you actually responding, but as soon as dude went off on vision in that thread about the company he reps for scamming (test prop
Instead of primo) and him discussing the latest issues with YMS (LE issues, the clen scam that they did, the previous issues they’ve had that are all public here), he was banned. Multiple dudes wanted to know then that thread was locked. Why was the thread locked + that guy banned? I mean nothing he said was wrong. Seems like an abuse of power. I mean YMS can continue to sell addys and rep here with an open investigation but a guy gets banned for pointing it out? There’s a bunch of open threads about it on other forums. Unjust imo. Go after the cause of the issue not the byproduct calling it out

 

[Sirchon]

It's so quiet around here now too.

 

[Buff Bagwell]

I'd be pissed if I ordered a primo and it was 100% testosterone.

After a cycle with either or, i can assure you people would still ask you where the nearest krispy kreme shop is. Fatboy. So you dont need to worry whether its real or fake.
Question for you,
When was the last time you saw your dick without standing on a mirror?

 

[S00Meaty]

On the nosey!

First off, we don't know what's truly going on no matter what member says its 100% this or 100% that. They have no idea.

Second, yeah, it may seem shitty/shady and probably is IMO but this is not OUR board. Like @Valdosta said, most know how this works signing up on boards like this. If they don't like it, I don't know why they stick around.

Some of the white knights too. Pot calling kettle black, Give me fucking break. Some people that are shady AF themselves should really just stfu instead of attacking other sources, but I get it, you got your shit to sell and your people to dupe.

It’s because this is a source board. These guys pay for protection which is why they’re also moderators

The thread about a guy getting arrested for ordering from YMS wasn’t just locked, they deleted the whole fucking thread to hide it.

I agree it’s 100% bullshit given the circumstances but not unexpected from a source board

I think people just need to be aware at this time that sources pay for protection. Theyre paying good money for advertisement here, and one of the perks is being able to have some control over the content about their brand. This isn't a total free market society here. That's just how it works here. Just know what you're getting in to when ur here for shopping. Maybe it's a risk ur willing to take. If not, the community is still worth sticking around for imo

 

[Valdosta]

On the nosey!

First off, we don't know what's truly going on no matter what member says its 100% this or 100% that. They have no idea.

Second, yeah, it may seem shitty/shady and probably is IMO but this is not OUR board. Like @Valdosta said, most know how this works signing up on boards like this. If they don't like it, I don't know why they stick around.

Some of the white knights too. Pot calling kettle black, Give me fucking break. Some people that are shady AF themselves should really just stfu instead of attacking other sources, but I get it, you got your shit to sell and your people to dupe.

if tbda ever opens up online client applications i know who's sending in some applications

 

[GYMnTONIC]

It’s because this is a source board. These guys pay for protection which is why they’re also moderators

The thread about a guy getting arrested for ordering from YMS wasn’t just locked, they deleted the whole fucking thread to hide it.

I agree it’s 100% bullshit given the circumstances but not unexpected from a source board

I personally take offense to this.

I deleted that thread..I moved the thread. The brand sent me a screenshot and the OP admitted in that message to YMS that he didn't blame their brand...but then he made a thread calling YMS scammers. I got his warrant and viewed it and did a whole bunch of bullshit to solve it and keep the forum safe. He technically should have been banned for lying.

We don't protect sources, we talk about issues nearly daily. You think you can do a better job?

You have zero clue what goes on but yet here you are "assuming".

You owe me an apology. I don't take kindly to false allegations...I'm dealing w them in custody.court and don't tolerate them. I certainly won't here.

 

[codem]

After a cycle with either or, i can assure you people would still ask you where the nearest krispy kreme shop is. Fatboy. So you dont need to worry whether its real or fake.
Question for you,
When was the last time you saw your dick without standing on a mirror?

Your dad got a view of it when I was fucking your mom last night, ask him.

 

[AR-15]

For the record I have nothing but respect for all the mods here and yes I even like the Jew owner (kidding ofcourse) and I also understand the sources pay to advertise here. They do not pay for protection. It’s no different than when a source goes bad and they are still on here months later. Why? Because they paid to be here and the admin will usually tell you exactly that if pressed about it. His hands are clean and hold no responsibility if we as members get burnt. Goes the other way as well. He shouldn’t be protecting sources either. Admins and mods should have zero to do with sources. That’s how this board is intended to run for many reasons.

Most boards are bullshit that way. You can’t trust any motherfucker on them because 9 times out of ten either the mods or admin owns half the labs.

I don’t mind mods being reps here because the few guys that do it I truly believe are good people. That being said they start locking every other tread about certain sources and it’s impossible not to go “Hmmmmm”.

 

[victorystreak]

I personally take offense to this.

I deleted that thread..I moved the thread. The brand sent me a screenshot and the OP admitted in that message to YMS that he didn't blame their brand...but then he made a thread calling YMS scammers. I got his warrant and viewed it and did a whole bunch of bullshit to solve it and keep the forum safe. He technically should have been banned for lying.

We don't protect sources, we talk about issues nearly daily. You think you can do a better job?

You have zero clue what goes on but yet here you are "assuming".

You owe me an apology. I don't take kindly to false allegations...I'm dealing w them in custody.court and don't tolerate them. I certainly won't here.

YMS are essentially scammers as @TomJ stated. They sold 0mg clen and didn’t own up to it, even their old rep admitted to. They also sell narcotics. With all due respect sir, do you think it’s appropriate that any time this vendor is called out it seems threads are tucked away so they’re not bumped, locked quickly, and people get banned for discussing it?

I know you may not having anything to do with it, but it makes it very hard to say mods don’t protect some sources here. There’s definitely some mods that have incentive to protect the brands they rep for and/or associated with. Otherwise they wouldn’t be reps for them. Same goes for vision going nazi in that thread with PSL knowingly scamming their customers.

 

[Jacked_Wabbit28]

I personally take offense to this.

I deleted that thread..I moved the thread. The brand sent me a screenshot and the OP admitted in that message to YMS that he didn't blame their brand...but then he made a thread calling YMS scammers. I got his warrant and viewed it and did a whole bunch of bullshit to solve it and keep the forum safe. He technically should have been banned for lying.

We don't protect sources, we talk about issues nearly daily. You think you can do a better job?

You have zero clue what goes on but yet here you are "assuming".

You owe me an apology. I don't take kindly to false allegations...I'm dealing w them in custody.court and don't tolerate them. I certainly won't here.

Thanks for clearing this up.

 

[GYMnTONIC]

YMS are essentially scammers as @TomJ stated. They sold 0mg clen and didn’t own up to it, even their old rep admitted to. They also sell narcotics. With all due respect sir, do you think it’s appropriate that any time this vendor is called out it seems threads are tucked away so they’re not bumped, locked quickly, and people get banned for discussing it?

It works both ways. There's snakes on both sides of the aisle and we do our best to control both of them. Overall we do a pretty good job.

I can't tell you how many times a member has made a thread about a source and it ends up being false or partially false.

That or testing. Anyone can remove a label and put it on a vial and pass it off. The problem is a lot of trust is required and if a new member appears and is slamming a brand, it's very hard to trust and believe that person...even if they are telling the truth.

Consistency speaks volumes. Look at the brands who consistently have good reviews.
Could they partial scam? Yes? Have they? Yes. Have we caught them? Yes. Have we booted them off the board? Yes.

I am a long time member and I feel like some of you guys need a dose of.reality...being a mod or even me as an admin isn't a full time job. Or paying job. Several of us rep or own brands. Yes. But that doesn't protect us. We still hold each other's feet to the fire...if I ban someone and another mod says hey ur a little harsh, unban them. I will.

As a long time member let me assure you there is no perfect system. And when members report things but omit facts, that's lying. That happens so often and is why threads will be locked.

There are 3 sides to every story. There side, your side and the truth.

Some of you guys are looking for Amazon style delivery and protection.

There are no guarantees here. We do the best we can with the facts we can gather.

"Let's think about this for a sec... Why would somebody put a guarantee on a box? Hmm, very interesting. Guy puts a fancy guarantee on a box 'cause he wants you to feel all warm and toasty inside. 'Course it does. Why shouldn't it? Ya figure you put that little box under your pillow at night, the Guarantee Fairy might come by and leave a quarter. The point is, how do you know the fairy isn't a crazy glue sniffer?".

 

[thebiggestdumbass]

I personally take offense to this.

I deleted that thread..I moved the thread. The brand sent me a screenshot and the OP admitted in that message to YMS that he didn't blame their brand...but then he made a thread calling YMS scammers. I got his warrant and viewed it and did a whole bunch of bullshit to solve it and keep the forum safe. He technically should have been banned for lying.

We don't protect sources, we talk about issues nearly daily. You think you can do a better job?

You have zero clue what goes on but yet here you are "assuming".

You owe me an apology. I don't take kindly to false allegations...I'm dealing w them in custody.court and don't tolerate them. I certainly won't here.

Firstly I apologize for hurting g your feelings.

So was the YMS package not the reason he was raided?

My original comment wasn’t solely about you. Someone locked the most recent thread discussing bad testing. All threads with bad testing seem to get locked which causes them to Essentially vanish with how much traffic’s on this board

 

[GYMnTONIC]

So was the YMS package not the reason he was raided?

It's tough to say, the warrant didn't give full details.

I don't even know if he was charged w possession but he got into trouble for something else. I'm not going to divulge.

We're they watching him due to the other behavior? I don't know. Is it possible..yes. did other good members admit to seizures in the last few months. Yes they did. No one hid that.

The fact is the OP lied dramatically. He literally said to them, I DONT BLAME YOU OR YOUR BRAND AT ALL , then proceeds to make a thread saying "YMS are scammers and compromised"

How's that sound to you.

Think I was correct in deleting it? I'm not playing games w either side omitting things and lying. The second you tell one lie, I disbelieve the entire story and delete it...he should have been banned.

We can't prove his seizure resulted in his warrant.

Think you could?

 

[AR-15]

It works both ways. There's snakes on both sides of the aisle and we do our best to control both of them. Overall we do a pretty good job.

I can't tell you how many times a member has made a thread about a source and it ends up being false or partially false.

That or testing. Anyone can remove a label and put it on a vial and pass it off. The problem is a lot of trust is required and if a new member appears and is slamming a brand, it's very hard to trust and believe that person...even if they are telling the truth.

Consistency speaks volumes. Look at the brands who consistently have good reviews.
Could they partial scam? Yes? Have they? Yes. Have we caught them? Yes. Have we booted them off the board? Yes.

I am a long time member and I feel like some of you guys need a dose of.reality...being a mod or even me as an admin isn't a full time job. Or paying job. Several of us rep or own brands. Yes. But that doesn't protect us. We still hold each other's feet to the fire...if I ban someone and another mod says hey ur a little harsh, unban them. I will.

As a long time member let me assure you there is no perfect system. And when members report things but omit facts, that's lying. That happens so often and is why threads will be locked.

There are 3 sides to every story. There side, your side and the truth.

Some of you guys are looking for Amazon style delivery and protection.

There are no guarantees here. We do the best we can with the facts we can gather.

"Let's think about this for a sec... Why would somebody put a guarantee on a box? Hmm, very interesting. Guy puts a fancy guarantee on a box 'cause he wants you to feel all warm and toasty inside. 'Course it does. Why shouldn't it? Ya figure you put that little box under your pillow at night, the Guarantee Fairy might come by and leave a quarter. The point is, how do you know the fairy isn't a crazy glue sniffer?".

Everything you said bro is spot on. You guys do a great job here. This is why I stay here. Love me or hate me it’s because of the core guys here why I keep coming back.

Again I use to rep on like 10 other boards and I can’t tell you the amount of dirty shit that goes on behind the scenes. You know this as well.

I cant count how many times I’ve gotten hit up by mods or admin threatening to ruin our business unless they get this or that. Or I’ll push your product for 3 months for 1k of gear a month. I politely tell them all to go get fucked and that’s usually it. Also why I don’t post of push products on those boards. Too many scumbags.

ASF with its Mods is pretty much it if your looking for a small core group of good people. Maybe I’m naive but that’s the way I always saw it. I’ve so far never saw that happen here to a degree that would concern me.

I again hope nobody thinks I’m bashing you mods or Admin or any sources for that matter. I’m just bitching because I don’t want this place to end up like BOP or many other boards and locking threads to me is just weird and sets off my wtf alarm.

 

[codem]

It's tough to say, the warrant didn't give full details.

I don't even know if he was charged w possession but he got into trouble for something else. I'm not going to divulge.

We're they watching him due to the other behavior? I don't know. Is it possible..yes. did other good members admit to seizures in the last few months. Yes they did. No one hid that.

The fact is the OP lied dramatically. He literally said to them, I DONT BLAME YOU OR YOUR BRAND AT ALL , then proceeds to make a thread saying "YMS are scammers and compromised"

How's that sound to you.

Think I was correct in deleting it? I'm not playing games w either side omitting things and lying. The second you tell one lie, I disbelieve the entire story and delete it...he should have been banned.

We can't prove his seizure resulted in his warrant.

Think you could?

The guy sounds super paranoid, probably on stims or tren.

 

[Gatz]

Whichever mod locked that thread, it looks pretty fucking bad.

People are losing faith in the quality of the sources here, and for good fucking reasons.
Locking the threads, wether it's intentional or not, is coming off as sweeping it under the rug.

It’s obvious. There was a choice to make and a deliberate conflict of interest. Are you a Moderator and choose the board and Members first, or a rep and choose the source above all else. The issue was made public and to right thing to do would have been to address and correct it publicly for everyone to see your customer service in action. Claiming incompetence was worse then denying the results.

There have been quite a few that people really need to see that have disapeared lately or have been locked recently.

Didn’t used to be that way. Overall lack of site moderation plays a huge part in that.

Janoshik test results some good and some VERY disappointing results attache

should’ve never been locked

Locked after your post making it look like you were the one that did it.
You guys hash it out in the Mod forum, but it should really be unlocked and allowed to continue.

 

[Montego]

I'm not completely in the loop but, SOMETIMES when a thread is removed there's a more serious reason then what's seen......

Let's think back a couple months ago with HB..... That fiasco went on for a couple weeks and nothing was touched.

So, MAYBE it was removed because there's something going on a little deeper.

What I would like to know is, which of the mods do people think are actually actively protecting sources so I can be upset about it..... The group we currently have is very light handed in moderation (as it should be), only a few are actively daily (and they're doing an awesome job trying to manage this cesspool) and they've all good excellent reputations in this community (it's why they're mods to begin with).

Guys who have been here six months commenting on mods essentially being dishonest with the membership are delusional.

 

[jpe1]

Has there been any clarification on which mod locked the thread and banned the member, and whether an explanation was provided? I’m not sure if there are logs? Just curious really.

 

[AR-15]

I'm not completely in the loop but, SOMETIMES when a thread is removed there's a more serious reason then what's seen......

Let's think back a couple months ago with HB..... That fiasco went on for a couple weeks and nothing was touched.

So, MAYBE it was removed because there's something going on a little deeper.

What I would like to know is, which of the mods do people think are actually actively protecting sources so I can be upset about it..... The group we currently have is very light handed in moderation (as it should be), only a few are actively daily (and they're doing an awesome job trying to manage this cesspool) and they've all good excellent reputations in this community (it's why they're mods to begin with).

Guys who have been here six months commenting on mods essentially being dishonest with the membership are delusional.

Listen this thread wasn’t intended to start shit about the mods here. I’ve said it a 1000 times the mods here are a rare bread and to be honest you guys are the ones that have kept ASF in a class by itself. There’s not one other board on the web that I can say with absolute confidence that I trust the mods on other than here.

I have nothing but love and respect for all of you. I’ve been here a long time and I’ve never personally saw any type of shady shit. Once in a blue moon, like recently with locking the threads, I’ve sat back and went hmmm but then once I get the real story everything has been understood.

With all that being said it doesn’t mean I agree with everything you guys do and when I do I’m gonna bitch about it.

I’m sorry this thread took a turn and guys started bashing the mods. Wasn’t my intention. I was just looking for an explanation and ofcourse give my opinion on things. I enjoy it here and until I’m banned I’ll be a contributing member who occasionally complains like a little bitch. Doesn’t mean I’m hating on anyone or throwing stones because 9 times outta ten I’m fucking wrong anyway.

Please guys don’t make this a Mod bashing thread. I can tell you all without hesitation that you’re not ever gonna get a mod crew like we have here. I don’t have a bad thing to say about any of them. They are good people and should be treated with respect. I’m not mad at anyone in particular. I just disagree with something that was done and I’m hoping it doesn’t become a regular thing. Again Inwas more looking for a conversation to explain why the whole thread has to go?

Sorry for any confusion. I should have just kept my big fucking mouth shut. I have issues I guess.

 

[S00Meaty]

Listen this thread wasn’t intended to start shit about the mods here. I’ve said it a 1000 times the mods here are a rare bread and to be honest you guys are the ones that have kept ASF in a class by itself. There’s not one other board on the web that I can say with absolute confidence that I trust the mods on other than here.

I have nothing but love and respect for all of you. I’ve been here a long time and I’ve never personally saw any type of shady shit. Once in a blue moon, like recently with locking the threads, I’ve sat back and went hmmm but then once I get the real story everything has been understood.

With all that being said it doesn’t mean I agree with everything you guys do and when I do I’m gonna bitch about it.

I’m sorry this thread took a turn and guys started bashing the mods. Wasn’t my intention. I was just looking for an explanation and ofcourse give my opinion on things. I enjoy it here and until I’m banned I’ll be a contributing member who occasionally complains like a little bitch. Doesn’t mean I’m hating on anyone or throwing stones because 9 times outta ten I’m fucking wrong anyway.

Please guys don’t make this a Mod bashing thread. I can tell you all without hesitation that you’re not ever gonna get a mod crew like we have here. I don’t have a bad thing to say about any of them. They are good people and should be treated with respect. I’m not mad at anyone in particular. I just disagree with something that was done and I’m hoping it doesn’t become a regular thing. Again Inwas more looking for a conversation to explain why the whole thread has to go?

Sorry for any confusion. I should have just kept my big fucking mouth shut. I have issues I guess.

Hey man, you are just speaking your mind.

I am not meaning to personally attack anyone here myself. I hate speaking in generalities normally but my comments and opinions in this thread are generalizations so hopefully no one is taking my comments as a personal attack.

I have no issues with the mods here or members here and it would take a lot these days for me to have a real issue with anyone.

Agree that the mod crew here is pretty solid right now.

 

[tommygunz]

The mod “quality” here is the same as you’d expect from any volunteer, you can’t criticize them for trying. Holding someone to a standard that doesn’t really exist is impossible as well. There’s not much incentive to be objective especially when you are a mod/rep. Which gets priority then? Pick your side, I know from personal experience you can’t do both. If there’s one thing that I’d like to see change here it’s that.

 

[Astro95]

The mod “quality” here is the same as you’d expect from any volunteer, you can’t criticize them for trying. Holding someone to a standard that doesn’t really exist is impossible as well. There’s not much incentive to be objective especially when you are a mod/rep. Which gets priority then? Pick your side, I know from personal experience you can’t do both. If there’s one thing that I’d like to see change here it’s that.

Some other places you get the ban hammer immediately like PM they’ll warn you for making a member intro “under no one gives a fuck who you are” and ban you for welcoming new members under boosting post count accusations lol

 

[Omoplata]

I’m not trying to be a disrespectful asshole to anyone here but I’m like legit pissed. Other than a private board I belong to ASF has always been my Go To for talking about like minded shit with good dudes without having to worry too much about being scammed one way or another. Now I click on and start to read a thread about testing and every time it’s about a source other than a select few it gets locked or deleted. Fuck that. Delete whatever info is supposedly being posted that’s not allowed and let the rest be. I come here because I thought it was one of the more honest boards on the web. I belong to like 11 boards right now and you wouldn’t believe what goes on behind the scenes with the mods and admins and the sources. It’s a dirty ass game and I honestly thought ASF was different. I still do but I’m definitely not liking the mods and admins censoring what I see based on who’s who. Kinda seems that way lately. I hope I’m wrong. I really do.

We buy stuff here and put it into our bodies. I fully agree that we should not censor anything. You bringing this up will now help the rest of us continue to push for transparency. It’s a good post AR-15

 

[Jacked_Wabbit28]

Yeah, no issues with the mods here on my end. I think you all do a great job here like others have said.

That being said, the optics aren’t great when a thread with member tested/funded results show some good and bad and then the thread is locked. I get it got off topic but maybe it’s ok to delete some of the nonsense in that thread and continue the discussion regarding a product some of us were considering.

 

[Big_Jimmy434]

We buy stuff here and put it into our bodies. I fully agree that we should not censor anything. You bringing this up will now help the rest of us continue to push for transparency. It’s a good post AR-15

100 Percent Agree with you, but I also see it alittle different. A locked thread is still there. Its transparent. The one thread that was in question still had all of the "transparency" with the test results and the rep that responded. As with most of those threads, the remaining pages were just a culmination of just people's opinion that have no real effect on the original post and all the:

"they outta this and they outta that"
"my friends cousins mama said..."
"If it were me I would.."

Now, its normally just one or two people that jump in that probably have never ordered from YMS or PSL but they have the most to comment. Those threads always turn into a "crucify him" and in that one, no one even allowed a resolution before they brought out the rope. I believe thats why they get locked. However, the record is still there an that is transparency. There is always the option to start a resolution thread once it comes to light.

Not arguing or discrediting your opinion or viewpoint. I'm just sharing the way that I see it.

 

[Big_Jimmy434]

I get it got off topic but maybe it’s ok to delete some of the nonsense in that thread and continue the discussion

Agree this should be done more frequently.

...but if the mods delete posts to keep it on topic, then theyll just get hammered for that.

Can't win for losing.