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Hplc report Hammer&Bell Primo tabs not good

rlciampa

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Guys I purchased these primo tabs for a $189 and obviously by the testing
report not worth it at all. They are almost 20% below what they should be
but the real problem here is hammer&bell sent the same batch in for
testing to the same person They have the same batch number. Why did
theirs come back slightly overdosed and mine came back almost 20%
underdosed. @Fletcher Seems like everyone you work for is a scam artist
including yourself since you swear by them. Guys the outrageous prices
make you think it must be great gear when really it is below grade and
obviously not pharma grade at all.
How come it's okay for the guy that you are repping for to use jano? But
others, you bad mouth, you swear by this brand called Auctus. Seems like
you intentionally mislead members to spend hundreds of dollars on
something that isn't really what it is all cracked up to be. You've been
nothing but problematic since you came here. It's obvious Hammer&Bell just
got snagged in a scam sending in a hot dose for their own benefit. Shame
on you. Guys I would never buy anything from a sponsor who Fletcher works
for. Hes a narcissist and loves to manipulate members. Hammer&Bell explain
to the community how two different hplc Test from the same batch with a
20% difference
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I think this is better settled actually messaging a rep. Not saying it's right nor do I have a dog in the fight... Just think it would be resolved better,,,

I also don't agree with attacking fletcher. He is literally a rep, not the manufacturer of the product, nor would he have knowledge of purity other than what has been relayed.

I am sure they will work with you, most sponsors do. Really sucks to see it be that underdosed for something like primo (esp with cost)
 
LickMyTATE said:
I think this is better settled actually messaging a rep. Not saying it's right nor do I have a dog in the fight... Just think it would be resolved better,,,

I also don't agree with attacking fletcher. He is literally a rep, not the manufacturer of the product, nor would he have knowledge of purity other than what has been relayed.

I am sure they will work with you, most sponsors do. Really sucks to see it be that underdosed for something like primo (esp with cost)
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Why would you want this to be in pms instead of seeing the results and the community?
 
This isn't my battle but there is usually a variance between each cap/tab. The best method is to have multiple caps/tabs tested at once to see that variance.

Also, no HPLC is 100% accurate. There is always a margin of error.
 
Astro95 said:
Why would you want this to be in pms instead of seeing the results and the community?
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Like I said I don't have a dog in the fight I don't really give a shit tbh, just helping the dude out. Instead of making a post if he messaged in at H&B or fletcher I bet he'd already have a replacement/partial refund/something by now....

Good to see this happened yeah, but I don't ever assume to know the full picture.. .Coulda been an older batch coulda been a bad batch etc

Doesn't make it right, but it is what it is lol

Also just don't agree with the tone towards a rep, simply for being a rep... Idk
 
Astro95 said:
How are blind samples supposed to be reliable in this case? Testing can come back to whatever result and you could literally say it belongs to any sponsor no? Legit question.
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True. The problem is...and this has been brought up time and again...if a particular lab (or person) has a beef with jano, then negative test results will be questioned. "He doesn't like us, so he made us look bad." The exact same players (RL and Fletcher) are involved again and this EXACT scenario was discussed last time. And here we are again. I can't help but wonder after the dead horse beating that happened last time...why is the SAME thing happening again? See what I'm saying? Now it's just going to turn into another mud slinging shitfest...on a friday (funny how that always works too)...when you see things happen repeatedly it's hard not to question them.

As others have said, I don't have a dog in this fight either. Just keep it above the belt and follow the rules in my sig below. Thanks.
 
Multislacking said:
True. The problem is...and this has been brought up time and again...if a particular lab (or person) has a beef with jano, then negative test results will be questioned. "He doesn't like us, so he made us look bad." The exact same players (RL and Fletcher) are involved again and this EXACT scenario was discussed last time. And here we are again. I can't help but wonder after the dead horse beating that happened last time...why is the SAME thing happening again? See what I'm saying? Now it's just going to turn into another mud slinging shitfest...on a friday (funny how that always works too)...when you see things happen repeatedly it's hard not to question them.

As others have said, I don't have a dog in this fight either. Just keep it above the belt and follow the rules in my sig below. Thanks.
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I mean Fletch was announced rep 9 days ago.

@rlciampa got testing back already from Jano, so Fletch wasn’t even a rep for them when he sent in for testing. I remember how last time went down, I don’t see how that’s the case here.

Just saw the dates, that was a speedy test. Disregard this post. I’ll be on the sidelines for this.
 
Multislacking said:
True. The problem is...and this has been brought up time and again...if a particular lab (or person) has a beef with jano, then negative test results will be questioned. "He doesn't like us, so he made us look bad." The exact same players (RL and Fletcher) are involved again and this EXACT scenario was discussed last time. And here we are again. I can't help but wonder after the dead horse beating that happened last time...why is the SAME thing happening again? See what I'm saying? Now it's just going to turn into another mud slinging shitfest...on a friday (funny how that always works too)...when you see things happen repeatedly it's hard not to question them.

As others have said, I don't have a dog in this fight either. Just keep it above the belt and follow the rules in my sig below. Thanks.
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But, it’s funny how every test from Jano that’s good gets praised but as soon as it’s a bad test from Jano it’s always “Jano don’t like us” or “Jano put out fake tests”. I would like some consistency.
 
This is the same "concerned member" who attacked the last sponsor I worked for. He obviously has personal beef with me. 🤷
He only appears to "do testing" then dissapears after starting a dumpster fire.

My suggestion would be to contact Jano and ask him why he tested the same batch and came out with 2 diff results.

My next suggestion would be to crawl back in your hole bc nobody believes your bs. You can easily degrade a tab by microwaving it for a few seconds, then send the degraded tab for "testing".

Which is probably what he did last time, diluted the oil, microwaved the tabs.

Nice try. 😄
 
Call me crazy but if I had one tab come out at 16mg and another one at 20 I’d be ok that. I’d be averaging 18mg of real primo. I mean even Pharma grade tabs come back sometimes 2 or 3 mgs different.

Now that’s even if the batch is the same. Nobody is gonna like me saying this but it’s time you learn. Most UG labs purchase or make a certain number of labels so the batch numbers sometimes overlap over multiple brews. Labels are expensive if you’re buying thousands of them. Wouldn’t be cost or time effective to print new ones for each batch. Keeping costs down saves the buyer money.

Then we have the lab. Jano and whether he even has the proper equipment comes up all the time. Everyone wants testing done so unless you open your own testing facility Jano and a few others are it. Can you trust all of them? Probably not.

I trust testing to a degree but I’m very skeptical.
 
Last time this happened with this muppet, it was the same thing.
He glorifies one sponsor while bashing others. 🤷
Then disappears.
Last time he tested 4 labs, SB glorified, FT, Moster & Azteca got smeared.

Once again, per his recent posts, glorifying SB, bashing others.

He seems to focus on whatever brand Im running and always gets it wrong, H&B sells Auctus, they dont make Auctus, and they clearly had the same Jano tests done prior to selling Auctus.

GearPro sells Auctus Primo tabs too, yet he didnt mention them? Or order from them?
Or order from ANYBODY ELSE that sells primo, nope just the company I work for.

Pretty obvious the guy has an agenda. 🤷

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AR-15 said:
Call me crazy but if I had one tab come out at 16mg and another one at 20 I’d be ok that. I’d be averaging 18mg of real primo. I mean even Pharma grade tabs come back sometimes 2 or 3 mgs different.

Now that’s even if the batch is the same. Nobody is gonna like me saying this but it’s time you learn. Most UG labs purchase or make a certain number of labels so the batch numbers sometimes overlap over multiple brews. Labels are expensive if you’re buying thousands of them. Wouldn’t be cost or time effective to print new ones for each batch. Keeping costs down saves the buyer money.

Then we have the lab. Jano and whether he even has the proper equipment comes up all the time. Everyone wants testing done so unless you open your own testing facility Jano and a few others are it. Can you trust all of them? Probably not.

I trust testing to a degree but I’m very skeptical.
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at my work we do lot tracking, generally youd have a printer set up that can print the labels with the new lot. Or at least have a separate printer to print out your lot.
 
AR-15 said:
Call me crazy but if I had one tab come out at 16mg and another one at 20 I’d be ok that. I’d be averaging 18mg of real primo. I mean even Pharma grade tabs come back sometimes 2 or 3 mgs different.

Now that’s even if the batch is the same. Nobody is gonna like me saying this but it’s time you learn. Most UG labs purchase or make a certain number of labels so the batch numbers sometimes overlap over multiple brews. Labels are expensive if you’re buying thousands of them. Wouldn’t be cost or time effective to print new ones for each batch. Keeping costs down saves the buyer money.

Then we have the lab. Jano and whether he even has the proper equipment comes up all the time. Everyone wants testing done so unless you open your own testing facility Jano and a few others are it. Can you trust all of them? Probably not.

I trust testing to a degree but I’m very skeptical.
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Yeah before anyone comes at me sideways. It’s no secret that I used Biotech and Auctus exclusively for many years now through GearPro. I’ve never had an issue even as a rep for GearPro with anything either of them put out there. Did I test every compound I used? Ofcourse not but after years I developed trust from both labs.
If I get proven wrong then so be it but I doubt this helps anyone. It’s the same shit just a different source. It’s almost like there are guys that are in bed with certain other sources that always target the source that’s killing it. Shame cause it’s not doing any of us any good. Everyone is now just spinning their wheels.
 
Unfortunately their seems to be some personal agenda against Fletcher here.
That very batch was tested by Jano prior to being sold and came back slightly overdosed.
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Perhaps this person did not store their product properly, or it was degraded by extreme temps during shipping to Jano.
The testing above reflects the product's potency as recieved from the manufacturer, and our stock is stored in a temperature and light controlled facility.
 
I've bought from three sponsors in my short time here and currently running sustanon and NPP from H&B. I look like a 64 year old freak and bouncing around like a young guy. Kind of look young too but won't put up a picture.
 
Hammer&Bell said:
Unfortunately their seems to be some personal agenda against Fletcher here.
That very batch was tested by Jano prior to being sold and came back slightly overdosed.
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Perhaps this person did not store their product properly, or it was degraded by extreme temps during shipping to Jano.
The testing above reflects the product's potency as recieved from the manufacturer, and our stock is stored in a temperature and light controlled facility.
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Wow!!! Surprise, surprise the same batch number with a normal result. I bet this idiot is editing the form.
 
Boykinben82 said:
Wow!!! Surprise, surprise the same batch number with a normal result. I bet this idiot is editing the form.
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He most likely degrading the products.
Jano only accepts 1ml oil samples, not original SEALED packages.
With oils, you just dilute with plain oil in the 1ml vial, with tabs, you can either bake them at 200deg in the oven, leave them out in the sun for a day, or microwave them for like 10 seconds and it destroys the potency.
Its super easy to degrade hormones.
 
dcdogz said:
at my work we do lot tracking, generally youd have a printer set up that can print the labels with the new lot. Or at least have a separate printer to print out your lot.
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You probably are correct sir. I’m not privy to every lab and their printing habits. I just know this use to be, and still is how some UG labs do their labels. I have no idea what Auctus does. I also know a few that outsource for their labels. It would be tough to try and get the printing companies to switch batch numbers after every 100 bottles is done.
 
Fletcher said:
He most likely degrading the products.
Jano only accepts 1ml oil samples, not original SEALED packages.
With oils, you just dilute with plain oil in the 1ml vial, with tabs, you can either bake them at 200deg in the oven, leave them out in the sun for a day, or microwave them for like 10 seconds and it destroys the potency.
It’s super easy to degrade hormones.
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Who knows, I doubt he is spending money on these tests. Bro, just send this Homo a dick pic and get it over with. He is obviously infatuated with you. 😂
 

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