Bible Thread

[HFO4]

Well hear me out...if I take the EXTREME end of the argument. Would remote tribes in the amazon ever have an opportunity to get the mark? The mark...in theory...would require some level of technology. If...and that's a BIG IF....if it is something physical. Now if it is merely a "thoughts and deeds" type of mark, then yes, everyone could potentially make the decision and do something to get the mark. "Thoughts and deeds" being a conscious decision to follow satan on some level.

I believe the mark is both spiritual and physical. Just like God marked us spiritually. Satan counterfeits everything God does.

However you make a very good point, remote tribe getting a physical mark is a strong debatable topic for discussion


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[E.J.D]

I'm guessing you guys are under the impression that everyone won't be rounded up everywhere and accounted for Under the thumb of the New World Order?

 

[E.J.D]

I believe the mark is both spiritual and physical. Just like God marked us spiritually. Satan counterfeits everything God does.

However you make a very good point, remote tribe getting a physical mark is a strong debatable topic for discussion


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Wouldn't the spiritual mark be.... Being saved aka accepting Jesus as Lord?

 

[Multislacking]

I'm guessing you guys are under the impression that everyone won't be rounded up everywhere and accounted for Under the thumb of the New World Order?

I think overall, it's fairly impractical. Not to say the compliance won't be high among the "civlized" nations, just that there will be some "holdouts". And others that they simply won't justify the expense to make it happen (like amazon tribes, etc).

 

[E.J.D]

I disagree completely. The Nazis rounded up millions of Jews to execute them with the help of others. I think that's the template for what will be used. People in South America, Africa etc will tasked to round everyone up in their remote areas. Plus with technology like drones and heat signatures it won't be hard to find any outlander.

 

[Multislacking]

I disagree completely. The Nazis rounded up millions of Jews to execute them with the help of others. I think that's the template for what will be used. People in South America, Africa etc will tasked to round everyone up in their remote areas. Plus with technology like drones and heat signatures it won't be hard to find any outlander.

Maybe. African nations are still pretty feudal. And others. Even with compliance at a national level, they don't have enough force to ensure much of anything at a local level. As far as 100% compliance. Bribery still drives a lot at the local levels as well. Could the major powers go in and offer assistance, tech, boots on the ground, etc? Yep. But it would take awhile to make all that happen. And at that point, they would probably have their hands full keeping the peace at home.

But yes, the major powers would easily fall into compliance of some sort. At the point they are actually looking for small remote batches of holdouts, I would think it would be easier for them to drone strike them into oblivion rather than giving them an option.

 

[E.J.D]

Look at what happened to society during Covid. Neighbors turning on one other over a virus with a 99.8% survival rate. Shows how fragile the pulse of society is. Now ratchet that up 1000% with the fear of survival, famine, disease, killing of your family. People will be motivated to do anything in order to try to survive.

 

[E.J.D]

Maybe. African nations are still pretty feudal. And others. Even with compliance at a national level, they don't have enough force to ensure much of anything at a local level. As far as 100% compliance. Bribery still drives a lot at the local levels as well. Could the major powers go in and offer assistance, tech, boots on the ground, etc? Yep. But it would take awhile to make all that happen. And at that point, they would probably have their hands full keeping the peace at home.

But yes, the major powers would easily fall into compliance of some sort. At the point they are actually looking for small remote batches of holdouts, I would think it would be easier for them to drone strike them into oblivion rather than giving them an option.

Do you believe all the military forces of the world won't be under the rule of the anti Christ?

 

[Multislacking]

Do you believe all the military forces of the world won't be under the rule of the anti Christ?

No clue, that's why I'm asking what others take on it is. And not to keep going back to the same examples, but what defines "all the military forces"? You can have a nation that has a government, but below it is 4-5 feudal empires (for lack of a better term) that would all like control. Would they cease their hostilities and unite under the antichrist? Maybe? Again, I have no clue. If we couldn't all unite under Jesus, but we can all unite under the antichrist...maybe we deserve what's coming. Sorry, I went to a dark place there.

 

[heavyiron]

Does everyone think the mark of the beast will affect 100% of the earth's population? Will literally everyone have to make that decision, or will it only affect certain countries/areas? Thoughts?

Yes, Revelation 13 says so several times. However I do believe some will flee and try to evade the mark.

13 Then [a]I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having [b]seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name. 2 Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. 4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”

5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to [c]continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every [d]tribe, tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear. 10 He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the [e]patience and the faith of the saints.

The Beast from the Earth​

11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. 12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. 14 And he deceives [f]those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. 15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has [g]the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

Footnotes​

1. Revelation 13:1 NU he
2. Revelation 13:1 NU, M ten horns and seven heads
3. Revelation 13:5 M make war
4. Revelation 13:7 NU, M add and people
5. Revelation 13:10 perseverance
6. Revelation 13:14 M my own people
7. Revelation 13:17 NU, M the mark, the name

With modern technology we could track everyone now if we wanted to but that misses the point. This will be a demonic and spiritual time. Does anyone think they can evade the fallen angels?

 

[HFO4]

Wouldn't the spiritual mark be.... Being saved aka accepting Jesus as Lord?

yes. Just like theres a body of Christ, I believe there's a body of antichrist

 

[E.J.D]

No clue, that's why I'm asking what others take on it is. And not to keep going back to the same examples, but what defines "all the military forces"? You can have a nation that has a government, but below it is 4-5 feudal empires (for lack of a better term) that would all like control. Would they cease their hostilities and unite under the antichrist? Maybe? Again, I have no clue. If we couldn't all unite under Jesus, but we can all unite under the antichrist...maybe we deserve what's coming. Sorry, I went to a dark place there.

All military forces..... Under the rule of a single world government the Anti Christ will have at his disposal every military force at his command. Ours, British, French, German, China's, Russia's etc. Those will be used by him. My thoughts on the matter

 

[Multislacking]

Yes, Revelation 13 says so several times. However I do believe some will flee and try to evade the mark.

With modern technology we could track everyone now if we wanted to but that misses the point. This will be a demonic and spiritual time. Does anyone think they can evade the fallen angels?

Good points. And I'm just discussing here...purely hypothetical thoughts. The mark does appear to be a "free will" thing...no? So they can't just "brand" us and claim us.

 

[GYMnTONIC]

What is the consensus with the so called Tribulation, or "rapture" I guess some people call it

The belief that Christians (and maybe others) will be taken away prior to this "period" of time.

This is what confuses me the most. Some people say yes, that will happen. Others say no.

If no, then why is it allowed to happen? Why are God's people forced to endure this? What is the point.

I always wonder if those in Concentration camp in Germany Hitlers day, thought he was the Anti Christ. And that was the "tribulation" or end times?? I'm rambling, but those have been my thoughts for awhile now.

 

[Multislacking]

What is the consensus with the so called Tribulation, or "rapture" I guess some people call it

The belief that Christians (and maybe others) will be taken away prior to this "period" of time.

This is what confuses me the most. Some people say yes, that will happen. Others say no.

If no, then why is it allowed to happen? Why are God's people forced to endure this? What is the point.

I always wonder if those in Concentration camp in Germany Hitlers day, thought he was the Anti Christ. And that was the "tribulation" or end times?? I'm rambling, but those have been my thoughts for awhile now.

I've said it before, and I hope I'm wrong...but I don't see us escaping it. Rapture isn't even in the bible. The world is a cruel, hard place. Man's inhumanity to man knows no bounds. If we escaped it, all those who were tortured and died before us would ask "why not us?" Why were they spared, and we weren't? That's a bitter pill for christians to swallow.

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 24 - New King James Version

Jesus Predicts the Destruction of the Temple - Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another...

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3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

4 And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for [a]all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, [b]pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. 10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

The Great Tribulation​

15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the [c]elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

The bible clearly says we will flee to escape the persecution. I don't care what spin someone tries to put on it...it is NOT a pretty picture. The only escape is that the time will be shortened, so it will not go on forever or all would be doomed.

 

[heavyiron]

Good points. And I'm just discussing here...purely hypothetical thoughts. The mark does appear to be a "free will" thing...no? So they can't just "brand" us and claim us.

Yes, it will likely be participatory.

I think it will be a physical mark or chip that is used to track what you buy or sell. I don't see it as just a brand or marking. You will likely have to connect your bank account to it along with identification or even medical history. The ID2020 patent is the closest thing I have seen to what I believe it will be but probably with more enhancements.

WIPO - Search International and National Patent Collections

 

[HFO4]

Good points. And I'm just discussing here...purely hypothetical thoughts. The mark does appear to be a "free will" thing...no? So they can't just "brand" us and claim us.

I think the deception will be so strong to get the mark freely, that many will take it unknowingly, If you're not walking/communicating daily with God, I believe you could be deceived into taking it, “freely”. However, I believe eventually everyone will be faced with taking it to buy, sell or trade. Thats how I understand the word. Good topic for the times

 

[Draig]

Verse of the day.

1 Corinthians 15:58

Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye steadfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.


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Solid verse.


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[GYMnTONIC]

Does anyone else see numbers constantly. I mean a pattern of non stop seeing the same numbers. Waking up at that time. Doing something important at that time. Being presented with the numbers all the time.

I have seen 333 for years and recently 11:11

Does anyone believe in numerology, related to spirituality?

I'm sure of it. What I am seeing is not a coincidence. But I don't know what it means.

 

[HFO4]

Does anyone else see numbers constantly. I mean a pattern of non stop seeing the same numbers. Waking up at that time. Doing something important at that time. Being presented with the numbers all the time.

I have seen 333 for years and recently 11:11

Does anyone believe in numerology, related to spirituality?

I'm sure of it. What I am seeing is not a coincidence. But I don't know what it means.

I don’t think it numerology is related to the Holy Spirit, I have never come across it in the Bible

I may be wrong I would leave it alone personally


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[Multislacking]

There's certainly some recurring numbers in the bible, but I wouldn't get too hung up on them. Numbers in and of themselves don't hold any power.

 

[HFO4]

Do we lead our brothers in love or are we dividing the house and body of Christ?. Do you hide your gifts of the spirit? those are called talents do you hide them in the sand? or do you use them to multiply His fruit here on earth like in Heaven?

I feel like there is so much more to life that I’m not fulfilling, does anyone else feel like theres so much more?

These are legit questions I ask myself, does anyone else ?

 

[Multislacking]

Do we lead our brothers in love or are we dividing the house and body of Christ?. Do you hide your gifts of the spirit? those are called talents do you hide them in the sand? or do you use them to multiply His fruit here on earth like in Heaven?

I feel like there is so much more to life that I’m not fulfilling, does anyone else feel like theres so much more?

These are legit questions I ask myself, does anyone else ?

Yes, I have often felt like there was more and I have asked myself those same questions. I know I've told some stories before, so I won't repeat them again. At one time, I was very VERY close to completely putting my current career path behind me and going into theology. The fire had consumed me and I was ready for change and willing to do anything. I prayed every day for the Holy Spirit to give me the message He wanted me to give to other people (still do). I did my fair share of sermons, outreach, volunteer, anything I could. I will not say that it didn't go any where. Because it did, and things happened...things for the better. But it was not what I was expecting. Or maybe even hoping for? In the end, I resigned from all my responsibilities. As far as worldly, corporate church responsibilities go. Looking back, maybe I was only supposed to be the one rowing the boat for that period of time. And then it was someone else's job to do. I don't know.

I think you have to treat it like being a volunteer fireman. Answer the call when it comes, where it comes, and handle whatever it is at that moment. Let things happen organically and don't try to put your own designs or ideas into the equation. You CAN seek out things to do, but it is usually the things you had no idea were going to happen that are the most fruitful. His plans, not ours. As long as you are willing, things will come and you won't have to seek them out. But you may be tested. And tested hard. I've had a conversation with God that was loud enough for heaven AND hell to hear. But that was also one that was answered IMMEDIATELY and it was at the moment that I realized that God is ALWAYS in control and will handle the situation as HE sees fit. Even if it may seem completely the opposite of what I thought needed to be done. Which was for me to do NOTHING. Other than to trust that He was handling it. Humbling and comforting all at the same time.

 

[heavyiron]

 

[so1970]

In revelation we see an angel of the Lord flying through the whole earth proclaiming. Do not take the mark of the beast or bow down to the image. So I believe all the earth will be given a chance to accept or not

 

[E.J.D]

Open discussion.... Does it truly matter that a individual practices being a good, honorable, upstanding individual as a believer? To constantly fight against our human nature, the desires of our flesh we encounter. To embody someone we are truly not programmed to be.

Or should we embrace who we are programmed to be flaws an all. We were created with known traits that aren't desirable as humans. Yet seek forgiveness for our transgressions.

 

[Multislacking]

Open discussion.... Does it truly matter that a individual practices being a good, honorable, upstanding individual as a believer? To constantly fight against our human nature, the desires of our flesh we encounter. To embody someone we are truly not programmed to be.

Or should we embrace who we are programmed to be flaws an all. We were created with known traits that aren't desirable as humans. Yet seek forgiveness for our transgressions.

I can answer that in one scripture, Chuck.

Romans 6:1-2

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?

 

[E.J.D]

I can answer that in one scripture, Chuck.

Romans 6:1-2

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?

Counter point..... Bruce.

Some of the most beloved men in the Bible were David and Moses. David made some unbelievably bad decisions while being blessed by God. God still loved him dearly. Did David ever change his human nature ways? Some would say no. He just sinned then presented himself to God after seeking repentance.

 

[Multislacking]

Counter point..... Bruce.

Some of the most beloved men in the Bible were David and Moses. David made some unbelievably bad decisions while being blessed by God. God still loved him dearly. Did David ever change his human nature ways? Some would say no. He just sinned then presented himself to God after seeking repentance.

Truth. I think the general gist is you don't go putting yourself into harm's way intentionally. A dirty old man like me probably shouldn't take a job in a stripper bar with the hopes of scoring some young stuff with daddy issues. Now then...if said young stuff moved in next door to me and was flaunting it daily and in a moment of weakness I gave into temptation, then that is a slightly different situation. But...would it be any more understandable to my wife? Probably not. In her eyes, I've cheated on her, period. It doesn't matter the situation. You ever wonder why the church is called the bride in scripture? That is the level of commitment and fidelity that is expected of us. My $.02

 

[E.J.D]

Truth. I think the general gist is you don't go putting yourself into harm's way intentionally. A dirty old man like me probably shouldn't take a job in a stripper bar with the hopes of scoring some young stuff with daddy issues. Now then...if said young stuff moved in next door to me and was flaunting it daily and in a moment of weakness I gave into temptation, then that is a slightly different situation. But...would it be any more understandable to my wife? Probably not. In her eyes, I've cheated on her, period. It doesn't matter the situation. You ever wonder why the church is called the bride in scripture? That is the level of commitment and fidelity that is expected of us. My $.02

Thanks for your feedback. Now in your example of a " dirty old man" you are looking at situations of end result of that ingrained behavior. What I'm asking about the exact behavior that's the root of the issue. Should you constantly go out of your way as a believer to change that behavior "dirty old man" and not be that man knowing it could lead to sin. Or do you accept that you are so then in turn try to limit the times it gets the best of you. Knowing full well it will at some point. Sin is sin. Lusting after another beautiful lady is equal as a sin as actually going through with sleeping with her.
I'm using you as example because you gave feedback btw.