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Forty01

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Hey all I’m brand new here and doing a lot of reading but it’s getting a little confusing. Only thing I’ve ever ran was Haloplex which was an oral back in 2012 while deployed. I want to go full on but really don’t know which way to go in any direction. Advice seems to be all over the map; start high, start low, etc. It would be greatly appreciated if any of you would be willing to give a little solid direction.
I’m 45 and will be getting blood work done first very soon. I know it can be a little trial and error but a shove in the right direction would be awesome.
 
Can't go wrong starting with 400-500mg of test man. Start out with that for 12-16 weeks and get bloods at the 8 week mark and see how everything looks. Order an AI as well but don't start it until after bloods.
 
Welcome. Another vote for test only.
 
Baseline bloods first

Test only (at mild dosage depending on natural t levels) for first cycle.

Have all ancillaries and side effect aids on hand prior to beginning.

Rotate pin sites

Use proper pinning hygiene and protocols (stock up on rubbing alcohol)

pay attention and jump on any side effects at onset.

If you plan on running cycles and coming off then make sure you actually come off and run a pct. If you plan on blasting and cruising then stock up on pins and test and keep your cruises at least as long in duration as your blasts at a responsible dosage depending on where your testosterone levels keep you balanced mentally, physically and keep your body healthy.

Good luck and have fun.
 
Milford King said:
Baseline bloods first

Test only (at mild dosage depending on natural t levels) for first cycle.

Have all ancillaries and side effect aids on hand prior to beginning.

Rotate pin sites

Use proper pinning hygiene and protocols (stock up on rubbing alcohol)

pay attention and jump on any side effects at onset.

If you plan on running cycles and coming off then make sure you actually come off and run a pct. If you plan on blasting and cruising then stock up on pins and test and keep your cruises at least as long in duration as your blasts at a responsible dosage depending on where your testosterone levels keep you balanced mentally, physically and keep your body healthy.

Good luck and have fun.
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^^^^ This! Such solid advice.. OP welcome to the forum.
 
400-500 Test E or C would be a great starting point. I wouldn't start with more than that until you see how you respond.

Armidex (anastrozole) or Aromasin (exemestane) are the 2 AIs of choice. Make sure you have one of those on hand before you start. Most people start at 1/2 a tab twice a week.

AI dosage is NOT written in stone. Everyone is different! Some people.convert test to estrogen like crazy and some don't hardly at all. You have to find out where you land with that.

You want to Pin your test twice a week. Monday and Thursday or Tuesday and Friday. So on 500mg test a week you would take 250mg on one day and 250mg on the other day.

Test E or C has a half life of around 4 days so thats why you want to pin (inject) it twice a week.


I like to have Nolva on hand as well in case you get gyno. It can be very useful for gyno.



@Milford King gave some super solid advice so read over that.

Goodluck
 
Welcome 💪 alot of solid advice here for you 👍
 
Thank you all! I honestly was not expecting this much feedback or this much positive feedback. I truly appreciate the information and the replies supporting said information. I have an appointment with my primary care for blood work next week and currently doing a little brand research.
 
Wardamn said:
Can't go wrong starting with 400-500mg of test man. Start out with that for 12-16 weeks and get bloods at the 8 week mark and see how everything looks. Order an AI as well but don't start it until after bloods.
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Ok I’m getting initial blood work next week and then will again at the 8 week mark. Thank you!
 
Milford King said:
Baseline bloods first

Test only (at mild dosage depending on natural t levels) for first cycle.

Have all ancillaries and side effect aids on hand prior to beginning.

Rotate pin sites

Use proper pinning hygiene and protocols (stock up on rubbing alcohol)

pay attention and jump on any side effects at onset.

If you plan on running cycles and coming off then make sure you actually come off and run a pct. If you plan on blasting and cruising then stock up on pins and test and keep your cruises at least as long in duration as your blasts at a responsible dosage depending on where your testosterone levels keep you balanced mentally, physically and keep your body healthy.

Good luck and have fun.
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I will absolutely follow your advice! Thank you very much!
 
Mattwv88 said:
400-500 Test E or C would be a great starting point. I wouldn't start with more than that until you see how you respond.

Armidex (anastrozole) or Aromasin (exemestane) are the 2 AIs of choice. Make sure you have one of those on hand before you start. Most people start at 1/2 a tab twice a week.

AI dosage is NOT written in stone. Everyone is different! Some people.convert test to estrogen like crazy and some don't hardly at all. You have to find out where you land with that.

You want to Pin your test twice a week. Monday and Thursday or Tuesday and Friday. So on 500mg test a week you would take 250mg on one day and 250mg on the other day.

Test E or C has a half life of around 4 days so thats why you want to pin (inject) it twice a week.


I like to have Nolva on hand as well in case you get gyno. It can be very useful for gyno.



@Milford King gave some super solid advice so read over that.

Goodluck
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Thank you sir for the info and guidance. I will definitely follow what you and @Milford King are recommending
 
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If you're not up on injection methods..look into BD for some great data..I have to use the Z method on all MCT's..
Z...
 
Milford King said:
Baseline bloods first

Test only (at mild dosage depending on natural t levels) for first cycle.

Have all ancillaries and side effect aids on hand prior to beginning.

Rotate pin sites

Use proper pinning hygiene and protocols (stock up on rubbing alcohol)

pay attention and jump on any side effects at onset.

If you plan on running cycles and coming off then make sure you actually come off and run a pct. If you plan on blasting and cruising then stock up on pins and test and keep your cruises at least as long in duration as your blasts at a responsible dosage depending on where your testosterone levels keep you balanced mentally, physically and keep your body healthy.

Good luck and have fun.
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OP listen to this guy right here and you are golden !!
 
Hahahhaha. I deployed in ‘01-02 and that was when I ran my first cycle. Dbol + Winny purchased from this guy that ran a Doner Kbab in Kosovo. Back when heads looked the other way when Infantry were using steroids. But how dare a soldier smoke some herb.
 
Lyrad said:
Hahahhaha. I deployed in ‘01-02 and that was when I ran my first cycle. Dbol + Winny purchased from this guy that ran a Doner Kbab in Kosovo. Back when heads looked the other way when Infantry were using steroids. But how dare a soldier smoke some
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Lmao! A lot of guys where running different stuff. I don’t even remember the dose of the orals I got but it was called Haloplex and I legit bought it off Amazon. Shortly after me and the guy that recommended it to me stocked up it was banned lol. Definitely saw something out of it but the guys pinning got way more results.
 
Matt88 said:
400-500 Test E or C would be a great starting point. I wouldn't start with more than that until you see how you respond.

Armidex (anastrozole) or Aromasin (exemestane) are the 2 AIs of choice. Make sure you have one of those on hand before you start. Most people start at 1/2 a tab twice a week.

AI dosage is NOT written in stone. Everyone is different! Some people.convert test to estrogen like crazy and some don't hardly at all. You have to find out where you land with that.

You want to Pin your test twice a week. Monday and Thursday or Tuesday and Friday. So on 500mg test a week you would take 250mg on one day and 250mg on the other day.

Test E or C has a half life of around 4 days so thats why you want to pin (inject) it twice a week.


I like to have Nolva on hand as well in case you get gyno. It can be very useful for gyno.



@Milford King gave some super solid advice so read over that.

Goodluck
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400-500mg EW seems like a SHIT LOAD fire a first cycle. Hell, mine was 250 EW add I blew up. I started 200mg cyp on TRT and I blew up. I can't even imagine doing double that.

I'd rather do a 200mg EW test cyp + 4iu GH ED but I'm not after monster gains. Rather, I want to look and feel great in my 40s. My focus is more anti-aging vs bodybuilding these days.

👍
 
PapapumpCOS said:
400-500mg EW seems like a SHIT LOAD fire a first cycle. Hell, mine was 250 EW add I blew up. I started 200mg cyp on TRT and I blew up. I can't even imagine doing double that.

I'd rather do a 200mg EW test cyp + 4iu GH ED but I'm not after monster gains. Rather, I want to look and feel great in my 40s. My focus is more anti-aging vs bodybuilding these days.

👍
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400-500 is a very standard first cycle and it's really not a large amount at all bodybuilding wise.

Anything less and most people are going to be very underwhelmed with the results. Some people are underwhelmed with 400-500mg a week.

The doses you are talking about are going to put most guys at high normal test levels or just above. Just depends on what kind of responder you are. It sounds like you are a hyper responder which is great but more often than not guys don't respond as well as you do.

We are discussing a first cycle vs TRT/High TRT. If you had low T to begin with them yes you are most definitely going to see great results with 200-250 a week.
 
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