Why are you using Growth Hormone ?

[TrainInsane89]

I agree with you. Having never taken gh I thought it would be the answer to taking my physique to the next level. $2,000 and ten kits later I was seriously underwhelmed by the results. First of all, the sides sucks for me. I'm speaking mostly in terms of the lethargy and brain fog that gh causes, even at a maintenance dose (3.3iu). I feel half asleep and not mentally sharp at all, kinda feel like I'm in zombie mode all the time. This is not good when you have to work for a living like most of us do. I've caught myself nodding off at my desk numerous times and most days I counteract the lack of energy with caffeine tablets. I did attempt to run it at 5ius/day for awhile and the lethargy, water retention, and wrist/elbow pain was too much so I backed it down. My wife ran it at 1.5ius/day and she feels the same about it as I do about gh.

I'd say that I have noticed a slight decrease in body fat from what I typically carry, but in my opinion there are much cheaper alternatives with faster results to body fat reduction out there. I have about another month left on my green tops and they'll be gone. I doubt that I'll ever run gh again.

You paid 200 dollars a kit, that's why you didn't get any results. That's pretty close to what it costs pharm companies to make hgh it's incredibly expensive. So what do you think you were getting for 200 dollars a kit? Each 10iu vial was most likely 1mg or 3ius. So taking 1/3rd of a vial means you were taking basically nothing. If you wanna run hgh use pharm grade or don't. Use peptides instead, yes most are low quality but they're usually not fake and will produce some decent results

 

[TrainInsane89]

Why do I use hgh, well it makes me feel good, keep injuries away most of the time, naturally I had very low igf-1 levels, from a clinical perspective I was deficient.

Now to win a high level show you need it, basically impossible to bring the level of conditioning and the 3D look hgh produces. And one of the biggest things is it allows me to run insulin. Without gh insulin is totally worthless all it does is make you fat. But put the two together and you have a very powerful muscle builder. I can run much lower doses of steroids which are much harsher on the body and run them with insulin and gh and get much better results safer then if I just ran high ass doses of gear. Insulin when used safely ( which isn't easy or to be taken lightly) has minimal effect on the body. There's no feedback loop that will shutdown the pancreas so there's no worry there. I made huge gains one time on 250mgs of test 200mgs npp and 15mgs dbol Ed with 5ius of gh and 7ius slin 2-3 times ed, 15lbs solid in 6 weeks. Without the slin it would take a very heavy cycle to accomplish that and it would take at least 16 weeks. Abuse insulin and you'll have problems .

Even just cruising along on 200-250mg of test and 3ius of gh I feel great. It's all about using pharm grade though I spend more then half a year running generics in doses from 5-20ius Ed and I got better results my first month on pharm grade at just 4ius Ed. I lost 8lbs of fat that first month on a shitty diet. Over my 7 months on generics all I did was waste money on blood tests making sure they weren't bunk, wasting money on the kits themselves and dealing with shitty side effects. With pharm grade there's no sides, all positives you don't even feel like you're on anything but you see yourself transforming. And it's great for cutting there's no better fat burner, great for staying lean all the time. The synergy with gear also. If just amplifies everything. I could keep going but I'll stop

 

[Skip Foursome]

You paid 200 dollars a kit, that's why you didn't get any results. That's pretty close to what it costs pharm companies to make hgh it's incredibly expensive. So what do you think you were getting for 200 dollars a kit? Each 10iu vial was most likely 1mg or 3ius. So taking 1/3rd of a vial means you were taking basically nothing. If you wanna run hgh use pharm grade or don't. Use peptides instead, yes most are low quality but they're usually not fake and will produce some decent results

I do not agree with this at all. Guys, including me, have paid that price or close to it for generics and I have the GH serum and IGF-1 analytical results to prove they are effective.

Is pharma a great way to go? Yes! But generic can be just as effective.

 

[Roamer]

I do not agree with this at all. Guys, including me, have paid that price or close to it for generics and I have the GH serum and IGF-1 analytical results to prove they are effective.

Is pharma a great way to go? Yes! But generic can be just as effective.

I agree with you absolutely. There ARE good, and CONSISTENT generics out there, just have to know where to get them.

 

[AnabollicA]

I take The Grey Tops and they cost me about $200 a kit and my IGF-1 levels came in at 364 at 2iu's/day. That's pretty decent considering its way over the natural range for my age group.

I'm planning to start adding T4 to my regimen. Nice thing is my wife has loads of Synthroid since she has thyroid problems. I'm trying to figure out if I dose everyday, or just on the days I boot my HGH (5 days on / 2 off).

 

[Skip Foursome]

I take The Grey Tops and they cost me about $200 a kit and my IGF-1 levels came in at 364 at 2iu's/day. That's pretty decent considering its way over the natural range for my age group.

I'm planning to start adding T4 to my regimen. Nice thing is my wife has loads of Synthroid since she has thyroid problems. I'm trying to figure out if I dose everyday, or just on the days I boot my HGH (5 days on / 2 off).

T4 at 75mcg daily for me. But that's me.

 

[AnabollicA]

T4 at 75mcg daily for me. But that's me.

Thanks. The Synthroid is dosed at 100mcg, so I was thinking half a pill to start (50mcg)? then ramp up from there?

 

[TrainInsane89]

I do not agree with this at all. Guys, including me, have paid that price or close to it for generics and I have the GH serum and IGF-1 analytical results to prove they are effective.

Is pharma a great way to go? Yes! But generic can be just as effective.

I pulled bloods on 6ius of generics back when I used to run them and my igf-1 levels were almost 700, on 6ius of nords Genos omnis jins I'm in the 500s on 6ius Ed, but the results from the generics vs the pharm grade are night and day. I ran those same generics at 18ius Ed for a while and still the results were not even close to 4-5ius of pharm grade. It's much more then just igf-1 levels, most people think that's all that matters but it's not the case. It's not something I fully understand yet but I'm learning. A friend and me just did some actual lab testing mass spec, hplc and a few other tests. We sent out some jins and serostim to compare and to compare to these generics he tested a while back that came back very very pure. And while they're both pure, the seros and jins look almost exactly alike, they're are major differences between those and the generics. It's been a week since he got the tests back so maybe I can get some more info on what this means. But i know for a fact it cost pharm companies over a dollar per iu to make gh and they have the best of the best of everything and these underground operations don't have even close to those kinda resources but can sell for 150-200 dollars so 1.50-2.00 an iu it doesn't make any sense. It obviously cost them more to produce it yet they sell it for a quarter of the price. So somethings different. I do know it costs about 7 cents an iu to make 192aa gh, getting rid of that last amino acid is extremely costly and difficult. 192 will raise igf-1 levels very high and contrary to popular belief the percentage of people who developed antibodies to it is extremely low, like 4%. But there's many theory's out there on what this stuff really is because on mass spec the molecular weight never comes back at the same 22142 daltons like 191aa gh is, it's always higher so there's something else they didn't get rid of.


I do agree tho there is some good generics out there but they Always go bunk at some point it always always happens. Makes no sense to buy them when you can get pharm grade for 3 bucks an iu basically the same price except you know every kit every vial every shipment is going to be exactly what it's supposed to be. I'd rather do that then save 50-100 bucks and run a completely inferior product where this batch could be shit and I lose all my money. That's just me.

 

[Skip Foursome]

Thanks. The Synthroid is dosed at 100mcg, so I was thinking half a pill to start (50mcg)? then ramp up from there?

I went by labs but my T3 was already high and T4 was at bottom of range. Adding 50mcg should be enough but labs after a few weeks would tell you where to go from there.

 

[galois]

I pulled bloods on 6ius of generics back when I used to run them and my igf-1 levels were almost 700, on 6ius of nords Genos omnis jins I'm in the 500s on 6ius Ed, but the results from the generics vs the pharm grade are night and day. I ran those same generics at 18ius Ed for a while and still the results were not even close to 4-5ius of pharm grade. It's much more then just igf-1 levels, most people think that's all that matters but it's not the case. It's not something I fully understand yet but I'm learning. A friend and me just did some actual lab testing mass spec, hplc and a few other tests. We sent out some jins and serostim to compare and to compare to these generics he tested a while back that came back very very pure. And while they're both pure, the seros and jins look almost exactly alike, they're are major differences between those and the generics. It's been a week since he got the tests back so maybe I can get some more info on what this means. But i know for a fact it cost pharm companies over a dollar per iu to make gh and they have the best of the best of everything and these underground operations don't have even close to those kinda resources but can sell for 150-200 dollars so 1.50-2.00 an iu it doesn't make any sense. It obviously cost them more to produce it yet they sell it for a quarter of the price. So somethings different. I do know it costs about 7 cents an iu to make 192aa gh, getting rid of that last amino acid is extremely costly and difficult. 192 will raise igf-1 levels very high and contrary to popular belief the percentage of people who developed antibodies to it is extremely low, like 4%. But there's many theory's out there on what this stuff really is because on mass spec the molecular weight never comes back at the same 22142 daltons like 191aa gh is, it's always higher so there's something else they didn't get rid of.


I do agree tho there is some good generics out there but they Always go bunk at some point it always always happens. Makes no sense to buy them when you can get pharm grade for 3 bucks an iu basically the same price except you know every kit every vial every shipment is going to be exactly what it's supposed to be. I'd rather do that then save 50-100 bucks and run a completely inferior product where this batch could be shit and I lose all my money. That's just me.

I dunno dude. When it comes down to it GH is just a molecule and any two samples with the same purity - the same molecule - will have the same effects.

 

[chocolatemalt]

Why do I use hgh, well it makes me feel good, keep injuries away most of the time, naturally I had very low igf-1 levels, from a clinical perspective I was deficient.

Now to win a high level show you need it, basically impossible to bring the level of conditioning and the 3D look hgh produces. And one of the biggest things is it allows me to run insulin. Without gh insulin is totally worthless all it does is make you fat. But put the two together and you have a very powerful muscle builder. I can run much lower doses of steroids which are much harsher on the body and run them with insulin and gh and get much better results safer then if I just ran high ass doses of gear. Insulin when used safely ( which isn't easy or to be taken lightly) has minimal effect on the body. There's no feedback loop that will shutdown the pancreas so there's no worry there. I made huge gains one time on 250mgs of test 200mgs npp and 15mgs dbol Ed with 5ius of gh and 7ius slin 2-3 times ed, 15lbs solid in 6 weeks. Without the slin it would take a very heavy cycle to accomplish that and it would take at least 16 weeks. Abuse insulin and you'll have problems .

Even just cruising along on 200-250mg of test and 3ius of gh I feel great. It's all about using pharm grade though I spend more then half a year running generics in doses from 5-20ius Ed and I got better results my first month on pharm grade at just 4ius Ed. I lost 8lbs of fat that first month on a shitty diet. Over my 7 months on generics all I did was waste money on blood tests making sure they weren't bunk, wasting money on the kits themselves and dealing with shitty side effects. With pharm grade there's no sides, all positives you don't even feel like you're on anything but you see yourself transforming. And it's great for cutting there's no better fat burner, great for staying lean all the time. The synergy with gear also. If just amplifies everything. I could keep going but I'll stop

How are there no sides on pharm grade? GH sides are due to impurities or analogs, and genuine GH doesn't cause carpal tunnel or lethargy?

Don't worry about "going on", more info is better.

I pulled bloods on 6ius of generics back when I used to run them and my igf-1 levels were almost 700, on 6ius of nords Genos omnis jins I'm in the 500s on 6ius Ed, but the results from the generics vs the pharm grade are night and day. I ran those same generics at 18ius Ed for a while and still the results were not even close to 4-5ius of pharm grade. It's much more then just igf-1 levels, most people think that's all that matters but it's not the case. It's not something I fully understand yet but I'm learning. A friend and me just did some actual lab testing mass spec, hplc and a few other tests. We sent out some jins and serostim to compare and to compare to these generics he tested a while back that came back very very pure. And while they're both pure, the seros and jins look almost exactly alike, they're are major differences between those and the generics. It's been a week since he got the tests back so maybe I can get some more info on what this means. But i know for a fact it cost pharm companies over a dollar per iu to make gh and they have the best of the best of everything and these underground operations don't have even close to those kinda resources but can sell for 150-200 dollars so 1.50-2.00 an iu it doesn't make any sense. It obviously cost them more to produce it yet they sell it for a quarter of the price. So somethings different. I do know it costs about 7 cents an iu to make 192aa gh, getting rid of that last amino acid is extremely costly and difficult. 192 will raise igf-1 levels very high and contrary to popular belief the percentage of people who developed antibodies to it is extremely low, like 4%. But there's many theory's out there on what this stuff really is because on mass spec the molecular weight never comes back at the same 22142 daltons like 191aa gh is, it's always higher so there's something else they didn't get rid of.

I do agree tho there is some good generics out there but they Always go bunk at some point it always always happens. Makes no sense to buy them when you can get pharm grade for 3 bucks an iu basically the same price except you know every kit every vial every shipment is going to be exactly what it's supposed to be. I'd rather do that then save 50-100 bucks and run a completely inferior product where this batch could be shit and I lose all my money. That's just me.

Good stuff, thx bro.

Are you endorsing the "192aa" GH? If it works and is super cheap, seems like it would take off like a rocket ship in forums like this one.

The prices on pharm GH are pretty eye-popping for most of us...

 

[bc123jm]

I use 6-9 iu's of pharm GH a day. its not the holy grail that some claim it to be, but if you can afford it and are over 35
try and and see what it does for you. dollar wise your money is better spent on quality anabolics

 

[malfeasance]

I use 6-9 iu's of pharm GH a day. its not the holy grail that some claim it to be, but if you can afford it and are over 35
try and and see what it does for you. dollar wise your money is better spent on quality anabolics

Holy crap $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[bc123jm]

Holy crap $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

yea spent all my money on drugs, the rest i just wasted

 

[TheChosen1Speaks]

This thread is very informative however I am left more confused than ever. I am about to turn 41 and I wanted to try gh for the first time with my gear for a 6 months minimum this April. Was considering one of the trusted generics on the sponsor list. Now it seems like I have more doubt. Such a disparity in responses it's crazy.

 

[TouaregV8]

There are plenty of good generics out there. You just have to keep your eyes open. If you guys want to piss your money away on pharm grade when some generics test higher in many cases, have at it.

 

[raysd21]

Bulking with insulin so I don't get fat.

Also 10 days on GH and my hair looks so fucking healthy it's ridiculous. Such an improvement.


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[Roamer]

There are plenty of good generics out there. You just have to keep your eyes open. If you guys want to piss your money away on pharm grade when some generics test higher in many cases, have at it.

this all day !!!

 

[raysd21]

If you guys compare HGH to a DNA strand...maybe these generics have it down like 80%. Maybe they figured out how to trigger the liver to produce more IGF. Maybe our body or the lab test recognizes it as HGH but it's not a complete hgh. So...what...you have an 80% complete GH product wth 20% impurities. What's missing or different from pharm and generic. Something seems to be missing. I'll go with Train Insane on this one. Generic GH takes 4-6 months to see results. Plus you get shitty ass side effects. Real HQ GH you see results immediately. Like 8-10 days. No sides. That's all I know.


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[TrainInsane89]

If you guys compare HGH to a DNA strand...maybe these generics have it down like 80%. Maybe they figured out how to trigger the liver to produce more IGF. Maybe our body or the lab test recognizes it as HGH but it's not a complete hgh. So...what...you have an 80% complete GH product wth 20% impurities. What's missing or different from pharm and generic. Something seems to be missing. I'll go with Train Insane on this one. Generic GH takes 4-6 months to see results. Plus you get shitty ass side effects. Real HQ GH you see results immediately. Like 8-10 days. No sides. That's all I know.


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You're 100% right, the guys saying it takes 3-6 months to get results from gh are running generics. Like you I see results almost instantly with pharm grade. Zero side effects due to very low if any impurities. Whereas on generics in holding more water then niagra falls lol, shoes don't fit, hands hurt and are swollen, and many more. By day 10 on pharm grade I can see some dramatic difference.

As for what these generics really are, Well I have some old hplc on the old rips that Everyone loved that would raise igf-1 over 600 and produce serums of like 60. The hplc showed a small peak showing a small amount of 191aa gh and a large peak showing the majority was 192aa. I suspect that's what the majority of generics are these days. Or like you said they figured out how to add something like another peptide to cause even more igf-1 release. These are the Chinese were talking about. If they had a product that would raise igf-1 to 1000 on 5ius but it would kill us in 5 years they would release it to the market, no doubt. It's the counterfeit capital of the world.,

 

[TrainInsane89]

this all day !!!

Testing doesn't mean all that much , igf-1 levels are just one part of the equation, the actual gh molecule has some direct effects before it goes to the liver and causes it to release igf-1. I had my igf- 1 levels probably over 1000 on generics back in the day. It's about the presence of real gh in the blood. Like you I thought it was all about igf-1 levels. If you want a little more comprehensive test next time you pull igf-1 also test igf-1 protein binding 3 levels. Only real 191aa gh will elevate these. I'm not doubting there are some decent generics, they're just incomparable to any dose of pharm grade. If you've ran them both you'd know this. With the best generics I still couldn't even give a dosage equlivant between generics to pharm grade.

 

[Roamer]

Testing doesn't mean all that much , igf-1 levels are just one part of the equation, the actual gh molecule has some direct effects before it goes to the liver and causes it to release igf-1. I had my igf- 1 levels probably over 1000 on generics back in the day. It's about the presence of real gh in the blood. Like you I thought it was all about igf-1 levels. If you want a little more comprehensive test next time you pull igf-1 also test igf-1 protein binding 3 levels. Only real 191aa gh will elevate these. I'm not doubting there are some decent generics, they're just incomparable to any dose of pharm grade. If you've ran them both you'd know this. With the best generics I still couldn't even give a dosage equlivant between generics to pharm grade.

I have not ran pharma, you are correct. what ballpark range per iu do you pay for pharma?

 

[Skip Foursome]

Testing doesn't mean all that much , igf-1 levels are just one part of the equation, the actual gh molecule has some direct effects before it goes to the liver and causes it to release igf-1. I had my igf- 1 levels probably over 1000 on generics back in the day. It's about the presence of real gh in the blood. Like you I thought it was all about igf-1 levels. If you want a little more comprehensive test next time you pull igf-1 also test igf-1 protein binding 3 levels. Only real 191aa gh will elevate these. I'm not doubting there are some decent generics, they're just incomparable to any dose of pharm grade. If you've ran them both you'd know this. With the best generics I still couldn't even give a dosage equlivant between generics to pharm grade.

Who do you rep for?

 

[Roamer]

Testing doesn't mean all that much , igf-1 levels are just one part of the equation, the actual gh molecule has some direct effects before it goes to the liver and causes it to release igf-1. I had my igf- 1 levels probably over 1000 on generics back in the day. It's about the presence of real gh in the blood. Like you I thought it was all about igf-1 levels. If you want a little more comprehensive test next time you pull igf-1 also test igf-1 protein binding 3 levels. Only real 191aa gh will elevate these. I'm not doubting there are some decent generics, they're just incomparable to any dose of pharm grade. If you've ran them both you'd know this. With the best generics I still couldn't even give a dosage equlivant between generics to pharm grade.

and which pharma grade do you use?

 

[TrainInsane89]

I have not ran pharma, you are correct. what ballpark range per iu do you pay for pharma?

Right now if you head over to our subforum you can pay 1.50 per iu, 200ius for 300 bucks. We're kinda new here ( 4 months or so) and we're giving this deal so people will run blood work, try out real pharm grade gh. But even without this promo it's 3 bucks an iu for fda approved government regulated hgh. 200 bucks for generics if not more for stuff that is far inferior to pharm grade and hit or miss batch to batch vial to vial or pay 300 for real pharm grade gh that's consistent every time, what's on the label is what's in the vial. That's all the time the 300 for 100ius but for a bit longer will be running the deal o mentioned where you get 100ius for 150 bucks, pharm grade gh for cheaper then all the decent generics on the market. Pm me if you'd like.

 

[TrainInsane89]

Who do you rep for?

Jintropin-online, so I run jins, but I've ran them all Genos nords seros omnitrope teva tropin saizen, I just got sick of payin 5-8 bucks an iu and then I found the jins and now I pay 3 bucks an iu and I can afford to run almost any dose I want. Before with the nords and shit I would cost me close to 2k a month to run 6ius Ed. I ran the jins for a year or so and then they asked me to become a rep for them. Before all that I ran all the generics kigs rips all the types of hyges all the color tops, like I said I had sky high igf-1 levels, but my results of 7 months on generics were nothing compared to my first 2 on phaem grade, maybe even my first month on pharma surpassed my results of 10-20ius of generics.

 

[Skip Foursome]

Jintropin-online, so I run jins, but I've ran them all Genos nords seros omnitrope teva tropin saizen, I just got sick of payin 5-8 bucks an iu and then I found the jins and now I pay 3 bucks an iu and I can afford to run almost any dose I want. Before with the nords and shit I would cost me close to 2k a month to run 6ius Ed. I ran the jins for a year or so and then they asked me to become a rep for them. Before all that I ran all the generics kigs rips all the types of hyges all the color tops, like I said I had sky high igf-1 levels, but my results of 7 months on generics were nothing compared to my first 2 on phaem grade, maybe even my first month on pharma surpassed my results of 10-20ius of generics.

I just want guys here to know you do have a agenda. And there is nothing wrong with that because you are doing your job as a rep to promote your product.

I try and find ways to talk myself into pharma and have discussed it at length with guys that are very knowledgeable and the answer is the same. Good generics can get you just as good results as pharma grade.

These Gray Tops are nothing short of fantastic for me.

 

[TrainInsane89]

I just want guys here to know you do have a agenda. And there is nothing wrong with that because you are doing your job as a rep to promote your product.

I try and find ways to talk myself into pharma and have discussed it at length with guys that are very knowledgeable and the answer is the same. Good generics can get you just as good results as pharma grade.

These Gray Tops are nothing short of fantastic for me.

You're correct I am a rep for a company on here but my argument this entire time was pharm grade is superior then any generic on the market. I can show you the most pure generic 10 times better then your grey tops, these generics are accurately dosed and as pure as it gets close to pharm grade standards, but when you look at actually analytical testing not igf-1 not serum but hplc, mass spec and biological array the is very distinc differences between these generics and pharm grade Gh. And this is why the results are night and day. I was right there with you for a long time bro. Thinking shit my igf-1 levels are the same as these guys on pharm grade and I'm paying 1/4th the price I could run double and still be paying less then them and then I ran pharm grade and saw and felt the difference. Come over, you'll get two kits of fda approved pharm grade gh for 150 bucks a kit, 50 less then your paying for your generics. It's your chance to test the theory. Why the fuck not? Then uou can come back to me and say my generics were just as good. Once people try pharm grade they don't go back and there's a reason for that.

 

[Skip Foursome]

You're correct I am a rep for a company on here but my argument this entire time was pharm grade is superior then any generic on the market. I can show you the most pure generic 10 times better then your grey tops, these generics are accurately dosed and as pure as it gets close to pharm grade standards, but when you look at actually analytical testing not igf-1 not serum but hplc, mass spec and biological array the is very distinc differences between these generics and pharm grade Gh. And this is why the results are night and day. I was right there with you for a long time bro. Thinking shit my igf-1 levels are the same as these guys on pharm grade and I'm paying 1/4th the price I could run double and still be paying less then them and then I ran pharm grade and saw and felt the difference. Come over, you'll get two kits of fda approved pharm grade gh for 150 bucks a kit, 50 less then your paying for your generics. It's your chance to test the theory. Why the fuck not? Then uou can come back to me and say my generics were just as good. Once people try pharm grade they don't go back and there's a reason for that.

Although I would question it I will still ask where are these mass spec analytical reports to prove Gray Tops tested bad and Jins tested great or on point?

Also, Jins come from China just like all the generics correct? What registrations do you have with Chinese agencies that make you pharma grade operation?

 

[galois]

Although I would question it I will still ask where are these mass spec analytical reports to prove Gray Tops tested bad and Jins tested great or on point?

Also, Jins come from China just like all the generics correct? What registrations do you have with Chinese agencies that make you pharma grade operation?

same questions from me.

I'll note that I'm actually waiting on a shipment of some of those Jins for testing.