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Myke Hawk

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I understand the purpose of AI and I've got it on hand. I am wondering when you feel it's needed. I've got a few side effects I can live with, such as some acne and a bloated stomach. However, i've noticed that my ankles are quite swollen. From some googling that is quite common when taking Test.

Does taking AI cut down on gains? If not, then why not take it daily to prevent any potential estrogen side effects?
 
Take it when you have estrogen related side effects. Taking everyday is not advisable as your body needs estrogen and this will crush levels. Too low estrogen will make you not want to train so I guess your gains would be affected that way.
 
It depends on
1. How much test are you on?
2. Which "A.I." do you have?
3. What is the dosage of each tablet?
4. Is it actually an aromatase inhibitor?, or a SERM (Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator)?
5. How many weeks into your cycle/trt are you?
 
For my self if I'm running 500mg Test Cyp or Test E or higher I have to watch my salt intake as I will retain water in my ankles. I typically pull bloods and check my E2. If it's in check and my salt intake is in check. I usually take a diuretic which is prescribed by my doctor to help control the water retention in my ankles.
 
Fletcher said:
It depends on
1. How much test are you on?
2. Which "A.I." do you have?
3. What is the dosage of each tablet?
4. Is it actually an aromatase inhibitor?, or a SERM (Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator)?
5. How many weeks into your cycle/trt are you?
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400 mg/week Test E
Aromosin
20 mg tablets
I am about 30-35 days into my cycle.

The only pestering side effect is swollen feet/ankles.
 
Myke Hawk said:
400 mg/week Test E
Aromosin
20 mg tablets
I am about 30-35 days into my cycle.

The only pestering side effect is swollen feet/ankles.
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I typically start aromasin around week 5 so its the right time. I would split the tabs and go 10mgs every 4 days. Aromasin is the right choice. 😎
 
If you are new to this . You will most likely need to do bloods at week 5 to see where your body is at . Then go from there . Once you learn how your body reacts to things you will know pretty much when to start the ai and close to how much to take .

Bloods are king 👑
I like aromasin as well
 
Absolutely get bloods before taking your AI. You don't want to bottom out your estrogen. That said, if I were you I'd order bloods now. Did you get a baseline test prior to beginning your cycle?
 
Myke Hawk said:
Does taking AI cut down on gains? If not, then why not take it daily to prevent any potential estrogen side effects?
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Estrogen actually helps promote muscle growth. So yes taking too much of an AI can cut down on gains.

You don’t want to add another drug if you don’t have to. Taking an AI for no reason or for a preventative is not what I’d recommend. Some people don’t need an AI with 500mg of Test and some do.
 
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For me if you chest or nipples get sensitive that’s a sign you need to use an AI. But blood work is the smart safe way to go
 
Myke Hawk said:
I understand the purpose of AI and I've got it on hand. I am wondering when you feel it's needed. I've got a few side effects I can live with, such as some acne and a bloated stomach. However, i've noticed that my ankles are quite swollen. From some googling that is quite common when taking Test.

Does taking AI cut down on gains? If not, then why not take it daily to prevent any potential estrogen side effects?
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What drugs are you running? My tells for high estrogen are spicy nips, face bloat, high bp, and my balls sit way higher than normal. When I start to notice high e2, I either run more primo/eq, or I’ll toss in arimidex. I prefer always designing a blast with an estrogen control drug (I.e. primo/eq). Arimidex isn’t the best for your health long term imo.

Typically, I’ll start with .25mg eod if I’m taking arimidex. If I still feel high e2, I’ll up to .5mg eod. If my joints start hurting and I get irritable and flat, I’ll drop the arimidex dosage.
 
I would not touch any AI’s unless my blood work showed my E2 level is through the roof.
In over 3 decades of cycling I have only used it twice for a very short period of time.
 
Thatmuscleguy said:
For me if you chest or nipples get sensitive that’s a sign you need to use an AI. But blood work is the smart safe way to go
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This is horrible advice IMO.

For some, it would be too late and they may have already started to develop gyno.

This is something you have to be proactive with; not reactive...

The advice given - 10mgs Aromasin twice weekly would be a great dosage.

It's easy. 200mg shot twice per week. 10mgs Aromasin the day of your shot.

Check blood work. I could almost guarantee estrogen would be "within range" unless you Aromasin was bunk.

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BodybuilderZepp said:
Estrogen actually helps promote muscle growth. So yes taking too much of an AI can cut down on gains.

You don’t want to add another drug if you don’t have to. Taking an AI for no reason or for a preventative is not what I’d recommend. Some people don’t need an AI with 500mg of Test and some do.
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Agreed I’m on 500 test, NPP and mast and my e2 is fine and I’m not taking any AI
 
Lots of good posts. You wont tank your estro using aromasin low dose. You can easily tank it with arimidex.
 
Alot of great posts here..
1. Bloodwork
It's not a guessing game.
My answer would be never..
Find your dose,meaning what you can handle without crazy high e2 # or sides
 
Boykinben82 said:
500 TPP/ 350 NPP / 350 Mast P. And yeah it’s PW. I do daily pins.
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This is exactly the cycle I'm about to start. I'm currently using long esters but I don't see the point as I pin daily, so I'm switching to propionate. I wonder if taking provi on top of that would be overkill.
 
Lots of good advice here for someone having questions.
Mast/Proviron e2 control ftw.
 
Battousai said:
This is exactly the cycle I'm about to start. I'm currently using long esters but I don't see the point as I pin daily, so I'm switching to propionate. I wonder if taking provi on top of that would be overkill.
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I pin everyday when I’m on cycle. You might be fine adding it. My e2 is at 82 right now with no AI, which is fine for me and I have no sides from my E2 being there. I’m guessing Provi might put me around 50. I might add it at 25mg a day for the second half of my cycle.
 
Mshbmx said:
Lots of good advice here for someone having questions.
Mast/Proviron e2 control ftw.
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Mast or Proviron should be an every cycle in my opinion. I always use it now. I like how firm mast makes me look and the E2 control is phenomenal.
 
It's the smart way to go..Adding compounds that have AI qualities is a much better choice than ANY AI..
Just have to do bloodwork to make sure what doses put you where..
Always, have a mild and Strong on hand if things go sideways..

There's a "Debate" I posted about this..
Damn good read if anyone is interested..
Hell, I think all of the Debates touched on Great Points..
But, remember...this stuff is evolving as we speak..
Nearly Nothing is Carved in Stone..Anymore..
Z...
 
Boykinben82 said:
I pin everyday when I’m on cycle. You might be fine adding it. My e2 is at 82 right now with no AI, which is fine for me and I have no sides from my E2 being there. I’m guessing Provi might put me around 50. I might add it at 25mg a day for the second half of my cycle.
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Yup, that sounds. Always could just bump the test up a little too if e2 is to low. :D
 

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