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I’m planning a 12 week cycle consisting of the following for my next cycle.

Test-E 125mg/E3.5D (250/week)
Tren-E 200mg/E3.5D (400/week)
Arimidex .5MG EOD (Estro Conversion is a bitch for me)

Caber on hand for progesterone


I had heard that proviron/masteron can improve quality of life on tren and would like to add 1 or the other if this indeed the truth.

In general I just want to know if I’m missing any important ancillaries or if anyone has any recommendations for the cycle. Trying to keep it relatively simple.

Thanks,
Nex
 
Ya what multi said, some guys literally sweat liters at night on the shit, me being one of them. Ruined a mattress in a matter of weeks. Get a quality mattress protector as well, or your wife is gonna kill you. I was waking up every couple hours and would change out my towel for a dry one because the other one was drenched by that point.

Night sweats woke me up sometimes but other than that I slept like a baby in the stuff. Honestly now that I’ve been off it I can say might not have even been related to the nightsweats or tren because I still wake up every couple hours, even while cruising. Mainly cause I gotta piss.

I used a mast/tren blend. If you go that route and you don’t have a wife or a flavor of the week to dump your load into daily, I’d get a blow up doll and keep it on stand by.
 
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Mast is a must! First Tren run 750 test and 150 Tren ace I was grumpy and miserable . Just ended 1 gram sust , 400 Tren and 400 mast and I was the happiest person in the world . Wild results I must add. Eating machine . Target was tired of my online pickups. Will definitely try the magnesium next time . Thank god for waterproof mattress covers but had to trash a few good pillows
 
Loving all the info in this thread because my next blast is gonna be popping my tren cherry with long esters. Whats everyone think of his dose of the Tren E 400/week? Is that like the minimum? Because I’m gonna want to tread kinda lightly at first.

And what would everyone run mast at with this? Mast E 400/week?
 
JaceBon said:
Loving all the info in this thread because my next blast is gonna be popping my tren cherry with long esters. Whats everyone think of his dose of the Tren E 400/week? Is that like the minimum? Because I’m gonna want to tread kinda lightly at first.

And what would everyone run mast at with this? Mast E 400/week?
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Hell no. Start with 200. Don't disrespect tren at all
 
MonsterMaker said:
Ya what multi said, some guys literally sweat liters at night on the shit, me being one of them. Ruined a mattress in a matter of weeks. Get a quality mattress protector as well, or your wife is gonna kill you. I was waking up every couple hours and would change out my towel for a dry one because the other one was drenched by that point.

Night sweats woke me up sometimes but other than that I slept like a baby in the stuff. Honestly now that I’ve been off it I can say might not have even been related to the nightsweats or tren because I still wake up every couple hours, even while cruising. Mainly cause I gotta piss.

I used a mast/tren blend. If you go that route and you don’t have a wife or a flavor of the week to dump your load into daily, I’d get a blow up doll and keep it on stand by.
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Yo, that helps a lot. Also, been following your progress across the last few months man. May the gains continue. You’re doing great.
 
Seems like the general consensus is that my dosages are pretty good and to add magnesium and sleeping pills in.

Saw a couple people saying mast would def help. What would a good dosage be for that? 200-300mg/wk?
 
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Nexceda said:
Yo, that helps a lot. Also, been following your progress across the last few months man. May the gains continue. You’re doing great.
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Fuck ya brother I appreciate that. I’m still very new to the game of gains so hearing that kinda shit just lights a fire under my ass, much appreciated.
 
Most people try tren ace 1st just in case they can’t handle the sides, but it seems you have your bases covered with handling the sides with tren e. I will say this, put everything in the same pin to help alleviate tren cough. Also, keep some heartburn medicine on hand. At least for me the heartburn was a bitch for week 2 and half of week 3.
They don’t call it the tren train for nothing. Once you step aboard it is a nonstop full throttle ride, if you can make it through your whole planned cycle congratulations you are in a rare category. I personally love it though.
 
Nexceda said:
I’m planning a 12 week cycle consisting of the following for my next cycle.

Test-E 125mg/E3.5D (250/week)
Tren-E 200mg/E3.5D (400/week)
Arimidex .5MG EOD (Estro Conversion is a bitch for me)

Caber on hand for progesterone


I had heard that proviron/masteron can improve quality of life on tren and would like to add 1 or the other if this indeed the truth.

In general I just want to know if I’m missing any important ancillaries or if anyone has any recommendations for the cycle. Trying to keep it relatively simple.

Thanks,
Nex
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Tren ace is the best 1st run choice in case you need to bail out form the sides being too much to handle. Mast is great for mitigating those sides and keeping you balanced mentally as well as Hardening up those lean gains you’ll be getting, not to mention the sexual sides of tren are multiplied exponentially with mast prop in the mix. I also like using carditone for your BP and while on tren. This one isnt as popular simply cause many dont know about it but I highly recommend using cardarine since tren makes you suffer greatly with labored breathing during cardio
I would use these dosages to start;

100, tren ace, 100 mast p, 100 prop 3 x per week.
75 mgs proviron a day

carditone one or two tablets a day
cardarine 40mgs a day is fine
 
Superbox said:
Most people try tren ace 1st just in case they can’t handle the sides, but it seems you have your bases covered with handling the sides with tren e. I will say this, put everything in the same pin to help alleviate tren cough. Also, keep some heartburn medicine on hand. At least for me the heartburn was a bitch for week 2 and half of week 3.
They don’t call it the tren train for nothing. Once you step aboard it is a nonstop full throttle ride, if you can make it through your whole planned cycle congratulations you are in a rare category. I personally love it though.
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On the note of pinning itself. With how the cycles looking to stack up. I’d be pinning 3ML twice a week. Delts are my preferred site, but I’m seeing conflicting info about how many ML each delt can handle. I saw somewhere that each delt can handle 3ML.
 
Nexceda said:
On the note of pinning itself. With how the cycles looking to stack up. I’d be pinning 3ML twice a week. Delts are my preferred site, but I’m seeing conflicting info about how many ML each delt can handle. I saw somewhere that each delt can handle 3ML.
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I have only pinned delts a few times and I think the most I ever did was 2ml with a 5/8 inch. I prefer the upper outer glutes I know they can hold more. I have never been a quad pinner. The times I have pinned quads I have had horrible pip. Other people have zero issues pinning quads.
 
MonsterMaker said:
Ya what multi said, some guys literally sweat liters at night on the shit, me being one of them. Ruined a mattress in a matter of weeks. Get a quality mattress protector as well, or your wife is gonna kill you. I was waking up every couple hours and would change out my towel for a dry one because the other one was drenched by that point.

Night sweats woke me up sometimes but other than that I slept like a baby in the stuff. Honestly now that I’ve been off it I can say might not have even been related to the nightsweats or tren because I still wake up every couple hours, even while cruising. Mainly cause I gotta piss.

I used a mast/tren blend. If you go that route and you don’t have a wife or a flavor of the week to dump your load into daily, I’d get a blow up doll and keep it on stand by.
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I had the same issue for years and apparently that's a strong indicator of sleep apnea. Most people have a full bladder and need to piss all night but when you're asleep your brain shuts down that sensation of needing to pee and prevents your bladder muscles from contracting so you don't piss the bed. Apparently when you wake up multiple times to pee it's not due to having to pee, it's due to having your sleep disrupted by something else causing your brain to wake up which also awakens your "having to pee" sensation. Even since I got diagnosed with sleep apnea and started using a CPAP I hardly ever wake up to piss anymore. Not to mention all the other positive life-changing effects. Maybe get a sleep study done.
JaceBon said:
Loving all the info in this thread because my next blast is gonna be popping my tren cherry with long esters. Whats everyone think of his dose of the Tren E 400/week? Is that like the minimum? Because I’m gonna want to tread kinda lightly at first.

And what would everyone run mast at with this? Mast E 400/week?
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As others have said I'd start at a lower dose and start with ACE instead. I'd start with 75mg EOD (about 260mg/week) of Tren Ace. Worst case if shit goes south you can jump ship and the ACE will clear your system quickly and you'll go back to feeling normal quicker rather than waiting weeks with Enanthate.
Nexceda said:
Seems like the general consensus is that my dosages are pretty good and to add magnesium and sleeping pills in.

Saw a couple people saying mast would def help. What would a good dosage be for that? 200-300mg/wk?
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Mast and Proviron are extremely similar in structure and have almost identical properties. Mast is a little stronger on the physical/anabolic properties and Proviron is a little stronger on the mental/sexual properties. If I were to choose which one to run with Tren I'd go with Proviron. It's just one less thing you need to squeeze into your syringe and seems to be more effective at lower doses when it comes to keeping you balanced and keeping everything mentally/emotionally/sexually in check on cycle. Rather than pinning 200+ mg of Masteron, you can just pop 25-50mg (or more if desired) of Proviron and get the same desired effects.

We're just talking about stabilizing yourself and mitigating Tren's unwanted mental side effects. If you're also looking for the pronounced physical effects then Mast would be your choice, but then you'd need to increase the dose to probably 400mg+.
Nexceda said:
On the note of pinning itself. With how the cycles looking to stack up. I’d be pinning 3ML twice a week. Delts are my preferred site, but I’m seeing conflicting info about how many ML each delt can handle. I saw somewhere that each delt can handle 3ML.
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See my post above this one regarding using Masteron vs Proviron. Might help with your dilemma on pinning 3mL.

However if you do end up pinning 3mL you may want to consider trying new pinning sites. Quads, glutes, and ventro-glutes are all great spots that can hold a lot of oil. Personally I've never had issues with pinning 3mL in my delts but it all depends on the size of the muscle and the person.
 
jozifp103 said:
I had the same issue for years and apparently that's a strong indicator of sleep apnea. Most people have a full bladder and need to piss all night but when you're asleep your brain shuts down that sensation of needing to pee and prevents your bladder muscles from contracting so you don't piss the bed. Apparently when you wake up multiple times to pee it's not due to having to pee, it's due to having your sleep disrupted by something else causing your brain to wake up which also awakens your "having to pee" sensation. Even since I got diagnosed with sleep apnea and started using a CPAP I hardly ever wake up to piss anymore. Not to mention all the other positive life-changing effects. Maybe get a sleep study done.

As others have said I'd start at a lower dose and start with ACE instead. I'd start with 75mg EOD (about 260mg/week) of Tren Ace. Worst case if shit goes south you can jump ship and the ACE will clear your system quickly and you'll go back to feeling normal quicker rather than waiting weeks with Enanthate.

Mast and Proviron are extremely similar in structure and have almost identical properties. Mast is a little stronger on the physical/anabolic properties and Proviron is a little stronger on the mental/sexual properties. If I were to choose which one to run with Tren I'd go with Proviron. It's just one less thing you need to squeeze into your syringe and seems to be more effective at lower doses when it comes to keeping you balanced and keeping everything mentally/emotionally/sexually in check on cycle. Rather than pinning 200+ mg of Masteron, you can just pop 25-50mg (or more if desired) of Proviron and get the same desired effects.

We're just talking about stabilizing yourself and mitigating Tren's unwanted mental side effects. If you're also looking for the pronounced physical effects then Mast would be your choice, but then you'd need to increase the dose to probably 400mg+.

See my post above this one regarding using Masteron vs Proviron. Might help with your dilemma on pinning 3mL.

However if you do end up pinning 3mL you may want to consider trying new pinning sites. Quads, glutes, and ventro-glutes are all great spots that can hold a lot of oil. Personally I've never had issues with pinning 3mL in my delts but it all depends on the size of the muscle and the person.
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I actually did plan on running tren E to pin less and because of supposedly less sides but I didn’t realize it would take weeks for bad sides to subside...so maybe ace might just be the way to go. I still got some time to decide
 
JaceBon said:
That’s what I thought. Guess the OP is really grabbing the bull by the horns. Thanks for the input. What do you say about the mast tho? 400?
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Lol. Just saw this. Honestly, besides estro, I handle anabolics pretty well so far.

I got bloods and my doc said they were looking all good.

Part of me just wants to push the envelope and part thinks I can handle it.
 
jozifp103 said:
I had the same issue for years and apparently that's a strong indicator of sleep apnea. Most people have a full bladder and need to piss all night but when you're asleep your brain shuts down that sensation of needing to pee and prevents your bladder muscles from contracting so you don't piss the bed. Apparently when you wake up multiple times to pee it's not due to having to pee, it's due to having your sleep disrupted by something else causing your brain to wake up which also awakens your "having to pee" sensation. Even since I got diagnosed with sleep apnea and started using a CPAP I hardly ever wake up to piss anymore. Not to mention all the other positive life-changing effects. Maybe get a sleep study done.

As others have said I'd start at a lower dose and start with ACE instead. I'd start with 75mg EOD (about 260mg/week) of Tren Ace. Worst case if shit goes south you can jump ship and the ACE will clear your system quickly and you'll go back to feeling normal quicker rather than waiting weeks with Enanthate.

Mast and Proviron are extremely similar in structure and have almost identical properties. Mast is a little stronger on the physical/anabolic properties and Proviron is a little stronger on the mental/sexual properties. If I were to choose which one to run with Tren I'd go with Proviron. It's just one less thing you need to squeeze into your syringe and seems to be more effective at lower doses when it comes to keeping you balanced and keeping everything mentally/emotionally/sexually in check on cycle. Rather than pinning 200+ mg of Masteron, you can just pop 25-50mg (or more if desired) of Proviron and get the same desired effects.

We're just talking about stabilizing yourself and mitigating Tren's unwanted mental side effects. If you're also looking for the pronounced physical effects then Mast would be your choice, but then you'd need to increase the dose to probably 400mg+.

See my post above this one regarding using Masteron vs Proviron. Might help with your dilemma on pinning 3mL.

However if you do end up pinning 3mL you may want to consider trying new pinning sites. Quads, glutes, and ventro-glutes are all great spots that can hold a lot of oil. Personally I've never had issues with pinning 3mL in my delts but it all depends on the size of the muscle and the person.
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Ok, so if I’m looking more for mental stabilization and less mast properties, then go with proviron. I think I’ll heed that advice.

Tren and test itself is already a decent cycle and I need to see how I react to these dosages before putting more shit in me
 
Nexceda said:
Lol. Just saw this. Honestly, besides estro, I handle anabolics pretty well so far.

I got bloods and my doc said they were looking all good.

Part of me just wants to push the envelope and part thinks I can handle it.
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You’re brave dude! I’ve been saying the same thing but I’m stil gonna start with the kinimum at tren. Right now I’m running DHB and having zero sides so I get where you’re coming from. I typically handle compounds wel too but I’m just too damn scared of tren sides to jump the gun.
 
For me the secret sauce with tren is the ratio between test and tren. I have ran high test low tren and felt like shit for some reason. Then ran low test high tren using a 1:2 ratio and it was absolute butter. I suggest using tren ace for the first run because it is easier to tweak. I always run mast with tren because they do so well together but you can get great results with just the two compounds. I use a half inch slin pin for quads and most tren ace goes through that no problem. Way better pinning multiple small volume pins with tren to keep steady serum levels. Shit makes you primal man so keep a cool head and avoid alcohol. If you can manage to get good sleep, eat properly, and train hard then tren has no rival for physique transformation, in my opinion. I have noticed it impacts my appetite and definitely will kick you in the stomach on cardio work. I have to take a spare shirt with me just about everywhere due to the amount of sweating, some people just get the sweats at night but I dump buckets constantly. Lots of solid advice on this thread.
 
When you end up with serious tren lethargy and everyone tells you to add caffeine and other crap that doesn't work its because you didn't take an adrenal gland support supp and thyroid support supps. Tren wrecks your thyroid function and adrenals.
Id find a really good kidney supp too.
Every single recommendation i ever see for lethargy on tren is a bullshit bandaid. Support the root cause.
 
Nexceda said:
Caber on hand for progesterone
Nex
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caber does nothing directly to progesterone, it acts on prolactin.
furthermore, low prolactin values raise progesterone as the two hormones are inversely proportional.
Tren is a progestogen derivative, not prolactin
 
I'd run p5p protocol. 2 p5p ,2 zinc and 2 vitamin E everyday . Need to make sure ur water intake is on the high side as well .
 
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JaceBon said:
You’re brave dude! I’ve been saying the same thing but I’m stil gonna start with the kinimum at tren. Right now I’m running DHB and having zero sides so I get where you’re coming from. I typically handle compounds wel too but I’m just too damn scared of tren sides to jump the gun.
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Aye. You do you man. It’s your health that you’re messing with, so you take things at your pace.
 

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