Want to add DBol and Proviron to cycle

[Pumpitup13]

Next cycle will look something like this:
TestMix 500mg EW
DECA 250 EW
Masteron 100 EW
DBol (as pre work out) 23-50mg on gym days

What should I dose the proviron at? Will this be a helpful compound in a cycle structured like this?

Thanks y’all!

 

[HFO3]

Next cycle will look something like this:
TestMix 500mg EW
DECA 250 EW
Masteron 100 EW
DBol (as pre work out) 23-50mg on gym days

What should I dose the proviron at? Will this be a helpful compound in a cycle structured like this?

Thanks y’all!

I am the ASF dbol guru, nobody has used it longer or more successfully than me... if you have show your pics and lab results.

I have some suggestions and them some questions, cool.
whats test mix?
drop the deca, period. choose dbol or the deca, I hate deca sides, I won’t touch it.
mast at 100 per week? why? just use proviron at 50 -75mgs a day and be done with it
dbol no more than 30 a a day on training days and let it ride using NAC and Liv 52, eat lots of fruit and high quality fats in addition to the protein every meal, just stay hydrated especially during sessions m

multiply you body weight X .66 for the amount of water needed and add in minerals and electrolytes

I saved you time effort and added benefits.

welcome to ASF

 

[Pumpitup13]

I am the ASF dbol guru, nobody has used it longer or more successfully than me... if you have show your pics and lab results.

I have some suggestions and them some questions, cool.
whats test mix?
drop the deca, period. choose dbol or the deca, I hate deca sides, I won’t touch it.
mast at 100 per week? why? just use proviron at 50 -75mgs a day and be done with it
dbol no more than 30 a a day on training days and let it ride using NAC and Liv 52, eat lots of fruit and high quality fats in addition to the protein every meal, just stay hydrated especially during sessions m

multiply you body weight X .66 for the amount of water needed and add in minerals and electrolytes

I saved you time effort and added benefits.

welcome to ASF

The guru has spoken! Thank you!

 

[Pumpitup13]

I am the ASF dbol guru, nobody has used it longer or more successfully than me... if you have show your pics and lab results.

I have some suggestions and them some questions, cool.
whats test mix?
drop the deca, period. choose dbol or the deca, I hate deca sides, I won’t touch it.
mast at 100 per week? why? just use proviron at 50 -75mgs a day and be done with it
dbol no more than 30 a a day on training days and let it ride using NAC and Liv 52, eat lots of fruit and high quality fats in addition to the protein every meal, just stay hydrated especially during sessions m

multiply you body weight X .66 for the amount of water needed and add in minerals and electrolytes

I saved you time effort and added benefits.

welcome to ASF

This is the test mix I use. Also have Test E, Cyp and prop. I like the mix though. Thanks for the info though, for real. I appreciate it!

 

[Boykinben82]

This is the test mix I use. Also have Test E, Cyp and prop. I like the mix though. Thanks for the info though, for real. I appreciate it!

It’s just sustanon. Haven’t used it in awhile but I’ve had good results with it and dbol in the past.

 

[Wiseguy]

Next cycle will look something like this:
TestMix 500mg EW
DECA 250 EW
Masteron 100 EW
DBol (as pre work out) 23-50mg on gym days

What should I dose the proviron at? Will this be a helpful compound in a cycle structured like this?

Thanks y’all!

I keep reading your post over and over and still not sure what you are trying to accomplish. It’s the most mish
Mashed group of gear out together and not sure for what results?

 

[Pumpitup13]

It’s just sustanon. Haven’t used it in awhile but I’ve had good results with it and dbol in the past.

Thanks for the feedback brother!

 

[Pumpitup13]

I keep reading your post over and over and still not sure what you are trying to accomplish. It’s the most mish
Mashed group of gear out together and not sure for what results?

I can appreciate that, I’ve heard great things about DBol, with gains and workout intensity. I feel like I’m plateaued, and need a push through. Deca is the compound I’m most familiar with, had some bad sides when I started tren. So mast I typically use to offset some deca Sides and I like the way it feels added to that stack. Prov and DBol I am curious about, and interested in any feedback at all. I do appreciate ya for calling that out lol, for real!

 

[808Pump]

30-50mg dbol 25-50mg proviron. I like the cycle 250 deca shouldn't cause u problems but u could leave it out here and prob run the dbol 8 weeks Iif u wanted to. Dbol is mild on the liver compared to other methylated oral in my experience

 

[Wiseguy]

are you trying to gain weight? Strength? Honestly my friend everyone knows I don’t bash or like to be mean which I am not, but the combo does not make sense.
Deca I would not touch because of the sides and being a wet compound. Water weight and moon face is not my thing. I never heard of masteron for Deca sides? They are completely opposite and two different purpose. Proviron I get it. Will not touch dbol either because of water retention. Than again many love it and use it regularly.

I had tremendous success running low dose tren with test and masterin. 300 mg per week no sides and complete game changer.

Best of luck to you just remember more is not always better

 

[Pumpitup13]

are you trying to gain weight? Strength? Honestly my friend everyone knows I don’t bash or like to be mean which I am not, but the combo does not make sense.
Deca I would not touch because of the sides and being a wet compound. Water weight and moon face is not my thing. I never heard of masteron for Deca sides? They are completely opposite and two different purpose. Proviron I get it. Will not touch dbol either because of water retention. Than again many love it and use it regularly.

I had tremendous success running low dose tren with test and masterin. 300 mg per week no sides and complete game changer.

Best of luck to you just remember more is not always better

Thank you, great insight

 

[BBruce]

are you trying to gain weight? Strength? Honestly my friend everyone knows I don’t bash or like to be mean which I am not, but the combo does not make sense.
Deca I would not touch because of the sides and being a wet compound. Water weight and moon face is not my thing. I never heard of masteron for Deca sides? They are completely opposite and two different purpose. Proviron I get it. Will not touch dbol either because of water retention. Than again many love it and use it regularly.

I had tremendous success running low dose tren with test and masterin. 300 mg per week no sides and complete game changer.

Best of luck to you just remember more is not always better

I’m not sure I agree with this, it’s not a definite that you look like a bloated mess on Deca&Dbol, especially not if you’re on a clean diet and not going crazy high on doses. If I stay around 200-250 on Deca I have hard time keeping my weight on my diet and Dbol make my muscles round and full on a cutting/maintenance diet.

With how lean you are I think you would look even cooler on low dose Dbol, it’s not a chance you would get a “moon face” or look bloated with the way you eat and train.

 

[808Pump]

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I’m not sure I agree with this, it’s not a definite that you look like a bloated mess on Deca&Dbol, especially not if you’re on a clean diet and not going crazy high on doses. If I stay around 200-250 on Deca I have hard time keeping my weight on my diet and Dbol make my muscles round and full on a cutting/maintenance diet.

With how lean you are I think you would look even cooler on low dose Dbol, it’s not a chance you would get a “moon face” or look bloated with the way you eat and train.

agree. Not everyone looks bloated on dbol. Give it a try and find out for yourself before u let everyone discourage u because of water retention.

 

[Battousai]

I don't see the issue with a test, deca, mast stack. Masteron seems great at combating the side effects of deca. The question is why you're using each compound. If you're using deca for the anabolic effects, I could understand people's concern about the purpose, but if you use for the joint protection that lots of people use it for, I understand stacking it with masteron as masteron can counter the dht side effects that come with deca.

 

[Wiseguy]

I’m not sure I agree with this, it’s not a definite that you look like a bloated mess on Deca&Dbol, especially not if you’re on a clean diet and not going crazy high on doses. If I stay around 200-250 on Deca I have hard time keeping my weight on my diet and Dbol make my muscles round and full on a cutting/maintenance diet.

With how lean you are I think you would look even cooler on low dose Dbol, it’s not a chance you would get a “moon face” or look bloated with the way you eat and train.

Thanks My friend and I will not disagree with you. You know I only post based on my experience and deca gave me serious bloating and ED issues. I am just not a fan of wet compounds.

Nothing makes my muscle bellies fuller than Primo and zero issues and feel great on it.

I am only again speaking about my experience and like I said many many llobe Deca and Dbol, just don’t see the fit for masteron.

If this works for you by all means you should do it .

 

[JJB1]

It’s just sustanon. Haven’t used it in awhile but I’ve had good results with it and dbol in the past.

Sustanon and dbol put a lot of mass on me back in the day.

 

[HFO3]

The guru has spoken! Thank you!

so youre using a sustanon, no problem there. Dbol and deca are night and day difference. deca has a half life of 14 days, dbol half life is 9 hrs IIRCC. mitigating the “wet” sides and edema are easily controlled using dbol, not using deca. There is no comparison at all. which is why I spoke directly about dosage and usage. If you bang 50mgs a day like most dbol users will use dont expect my results or the length of time I safely run it. my post was very specific as is this one. Inner cellular water retention is my dbol personal expererience, using it like do. If you bang 50mgs a day, thats retrarded imo. I would steer far away from tren mast or prop as a combo unless youre competing or looking to add that final 100HP to an already 500HP gym goer machine because it is not necessary ... I hope you get the comparison.

 

[Jbswole40]

I am the ASF dbol guru, nobody has used it longer or more successfully than me... if you have show your pics and lab results.

I have some suggestions and them some questions, cool.
whats test mix?
drop the deca, period. choose dbol or the deca, I hate deca sides, I won’t touch it.
mast at 100 per week? why? just use proviron at 50 -75mgs a day and be done with it
dbol no more than 30 a a day on training days and let it ride using NAC and Liv 52, eat lots of fruit and high quality fats in addition to the protein every meal, just stay hydrated especially during sessions m

multiply you body weight X .66 for the amount of water needed and add in minerals and electrolytes

I saved you time effort and added benefits.

welcome to ASF

Great answer there I agree,drop deca and mast ...test & dbol + proviron

 

[Matt88]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but as i understand combining Nandrolone + proviron or Nandrolone + Mast eliminates the deca dick side effect for most and I'll explain.

Nandrolone converts to Dihydronandrolone which competes for DHT although DHN has a weak receptor binding affinity so adding in proviron or mast gives you more dht to offset the dhn easily due to dht having a higher binding affinity than DHN.

Dhn is often the cause of deca dick in many situations and is often mistaken for high prolactin sides.

The above scenario is why you see so many say "run your test 2x higher than your deca" bc higher test yields more conversion of testosterone to Dihydrotestosterone (dht) (via 5-alpha-reductase) which again offsets the dhn related Nandrolone sides

I believe t's very user dependent on how much your body converts testosterone to DHT. A base that on some of us have low free test on test only and some have high free test. DHT binds up shbg (lowering it) resulting in the higher free test.

So with that I believe it's a much safer bet to just take 50mg a day of proviron with deca or npp so you know for sure you have that dht derivative in play. AND proviron puts out testosterone "on steroids" by freeing up test and thus making our test work better for what we want it to work on. I personally like 50mg a day of proviron. Wiseguy likes 25 I believe. I know guys on here that like 75-100mg. So I feel 50mg is a great starting point for proviron and you can quickly adjust your dosage up or down.

 

[Papasmurf]

Been on test 500, deca 300 cycle for some time now. No issues with the plumbing and 50 proviron split daily. Solid finish and no problems saluting

30 - 40 mg dbol for the first 6 weeks pwo with very minimal water retention. But that’s with a clean diet and good water consumption. Bloods after 6 weeks shows liver to be up a little bit still within healthy range. Anything around 50 or higher and the liver starts to get elevated for me. Everyone will react different. Start low and monitor bloods. Just another opinion from an unknown guy

Cant go wrong with @Wiseguy or @HFO3 giving you advice!!

 

[Pumpitup13]

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agree. Not everyone looks bloated on dbol. Give it a try and find out for yourself before u let everyone discourage u because of water retention.

Thank you!

 

[Pumpitup13]

Been on test 500, deca 300 cycle for some time now. No issues with the plumbing and 50 proviron split daily. Solid finish and no problems saluting

30 - 40 mg dbol for the first 6 weeks pwo with very minimal water retention. But that’s with a clean diet and good water consumption. Bloods after 6 weeks shows liver to be up a little bit still within healthy range. Anything around 50 or higher and the liver starts to get elevated for me. Everyone will react different. Start low and monitor bloods. Just another opinion from an unknown guy

Cant go wrong with @Wiseguy or @HFO3 giving you advice!!

Thanks man, and I agree, some great advice from some epic users! Appreciate y’all!

 

[Pumpitup13]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but as i understand combining Nandrolone + proviron or Nandrolone + Mast eliminates the deca dick side effect for most and I'll explain.

Nandrolone converts to Dihydronandrolone which competes for DHT although DHN has a weak receptor binding affinity so adding in proviron or mast gives you more dht to offset the dhn easily due to dht having a higher binding affinity than DHN.

Dhn is often the cause of deca dick in many situations and is often mistaken for high prolactin sides.

The above scenario is why you see so many say "run your test 2x higher than your deca" bc higher test yields more conversion of testosterone to Dihydrotestosterone (dht) (via 5-alpha-reductase) which again offsets the dhn related Nandrolone sides

I believe t's very user dependent on how much your body converts testosterone to DHT. A base that on some of us have low free test on test only and some have high free test. DHT binds up shbg (lowering it) resulting in the higher free test.

So with that I believe it's a much safer bet to just take 50mg a day of proviron with deca or npp so you know for sure you have that dht derivative in play. AND proviron puts out testosterone "on steroids" by freeing up test and thus making our test work better for what we want it to work on. I personally like 50mg a day of proviron. Wiseguy likes 25 I believe. I know guys on here that like 75-100mg. So I feel 50mg is a great starting point for proviron and you can quickly adjust your dosage up or down.

Great response and that is my logic with the mast/Deca/test stack as well. And yes the dbol will start low and dose up to see how I take to to it. Thanks, Matt!

 

[Pumpitup13]

so youre using a sustanon, no problem there. Dbol and deca are night and day difference. deca has a half life of 14 days, dbol half life is 9 hrs IIRCC. mitigating the “wet” sides and edema are easily controlled using dbol, not using deca. There is no comparison at all. which is why I spoke directly about dosage and usage. If you bang 50mgs a day like most dbol users will use dont expect my results or the length of time I safely run it. my post was very specific as is this one. Inner cellular water retention is my dbol personal expererience, using it like do. If you bang 50mgs a day, thats retrarded imo. I would steer far away from tren mast or prop as a combo unless youre competing or looking to add that final 100HP to an already 500HP gym goer machine because it is not necessary ... I hope you get the comparison.

I do, that makes perfect sense. Thank you for clearing this up, I’m glad I posted this. A little vulnerable for me as I do have a lot to learn. I appreciate you man!

 

[Matt88]

Great response and that is my logic with the mast/Deca/test stack as well. And yes the dbol will start low and dose up to see how I take to to it. Thanks, Matt!

I'd up the Mast or drop it and replace it with proviron.

 

[Pumpitup13]

I'd up the Mast or drop it and replace it with proviron.

Thank you!