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Hey guys, I am incredibly grateful for all the great advice I have gotten as a new member in ASF. Thank you for welcoming me and helping me. I am 19 years old, 180 lbs, around ~19% bf. My first cycle is going to be 400 mg Test E, 2 pins a week. Along with 50mg dianabol a day. Around 10 week cycle with PCT after and consistent blood work. Anything I should know? Anything I could add the stack? I am trying to bulk up to around 200 pounds.
 
Kidding. I would remove the dbiol. Kind of had a philosophy change on the age in steroid things though so that really doesn't bother me
 
Welcome to ASF! Keep doing what you are doing by reading and learning. You can never learn to much and there is no such thing as knowing everything. Keep an open mind and soak up as much knowledge as you can :)

I am going to completely avoid saying you are to young etc. I am sure you have made your mind up and are going to jump in head first regardless so let`s look at it in a different way so hear me out. Why not just run the 400mg of test only as your first cycle and save the dbol for your 2nd or 3rd cycle (with test) down the road. Your first cycle is VERY important bc this is when you learn the most about your body. Are you a high estrogen converter, low estrogen converter or average? You won`t know till you run test and see. Dbol is a VERY VERY high estrogen converting compound. Not only does it have HIGH estrogen conversion but the estrogen it converts into is a methylated estrogen which is much more aggressive form of estrogen. Gyo is REAL possibility if you do not do manage things correctly. The problem is you don`t know how to manage estrogen yet (at no fault of your own) bc you have not even did a test only cycle yet.

So consider running the test only cycle. Save the dbol for your next cycle. Don`t get gyno. Eat your ass off (whole foods, high protein and high carb), train your ass off and you will grow on 400mg of test assuming your diet is on point. Don`t expect to grow without good foods and enough of them. Can`t build a house with out materials. You can have 20 professional contractors and all the saws and drills on the planet but if you do not have materials then that house is not getting built. Eat your ass off but don`t eat like a fat pig. Eat whole foods and keep processed shit to a minimum.

Do you have an AI (Aromatase inhibitor) on hand? You NEED to have one of these on hand before you ever start your cycle. Dbol LARGELY converts to estrogen and it will be out of control if you don`t have an AI. Armidex (Anastrozole) and Aromasin (Exemestane) are the two AIs you want to decide between.

I would suggest having Tamoxifen (Nolva) on hand to combat possible gyno if you was to get it in addition to the AIs

What do you have in mind for your PCT?

Let me know if I can be of any help to you. Be smart. This is a marathon and not a 100 yard sprint. Be in it for the long haul.
 
@Matt88 quick question about dbol. if my Estrogen sits at 50 during TRT and I am taking 30mg a day should I probably take an AI with it. or should I maybe get a Test done 2 weeks in to just see what im at? I only plan to run it for 4 weeks.

to be more exact TRT is 210mg a week and it puts me at 1200 with 50e
 
MTG said:
@Matt88 quick question about dbol. if my Estrogen sits at 50 during TRT and I am taking 30mg a day should I probably take an AI with it. or should I maybe get a Test done 2 weeks in to just see what im at? I only plan to run it for 4 weeks.

to be more exact TRT is 210mg a week and it puts me at 1200 with 50e
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I would not suggest taking an AI without knowing if you need it or not (there is an exception which i will mention). I personally feel my very best with higher estrogen. By higher I mean 50 + but not above 100 or so.

Ideally you could get lab work but honestly since you are only running it for 4 wks and knowing how dbol is I would just run the dbol and if my nipples start itching I would add the AI in to be 100% honest with you. I am just thinking about the fact that it takes my labs i use a week to get me results and the run is only 4 wks long so I`d just wing it. NOW, if you have had ANY gyno issues in the past then that would be the exception in my book to starting the AI a couple days into the dbol AND get labs bc u don`t want to play around if you have had gyno issues in the past.

If you go the lab work route I would get it after a week of the dbol because the dbol e2 comes on FAST.
 
Matt88 said:
Welcome to ASF! Keep doing what you are doing by reading and learning. You can never learn to much and there is no such thing as knowing everything. Keep an open mind and soak up as much knowledge as you can :)

I am going to completely avoid saying you are to young etc. I am sure you have made your mind up and are going to jump in head first regardless so let`s look at it in a different way so hear me out. Why not just run the 400mg of test only as your first cycle and save the dbol for your 2nd or 3rd cycle (with test) down the road. Your first cycle is VERY important bc this is when you learn the most about your body. Are you a high estrogen converter, low estrogen converter or average? You won`t know till you run test and see. Dbol is a VERY VERY high estrogen converting compound. Not only does it have HIGH estrogen conversion but the estrogen it converts into is a methylated estrogen which is much more aggressive form of estrogen. Gyo is REAL possibility if you do not do manage things correctly. The problem is you don`t know how to manage estrogen yet (at no fault of your own) bc you have not even did a test only cycle yet.

So consider running the test only cycle. Save the dbol for your next cycle. Don`t get gyno. Eat your ass off (whole foods, high protein and high carb), train your ass off and you will grow on 400mg of test assuming your diet is on point. Don`t expect to grow without good foods and enough of them. Can`t build a house with out materials. You can have 20 professional contractors and all the saws and drills on the planet but if you do not have materials then that house is not getting built. Eat your ass off but don`t eat like a fat pig. Eat whole foods and keep processed shit to a minimum.

Do you have an AI (Aromatase inhibitor) on hand? You NEED to have one of these on hand before you ever start your cycle. Dbol LARGELY converts to estrogen and it will be out of control if you don`t have an AI. Armidex (Anastrozole) and Aromasin (Exemestane) are the two AIs you want to decide between.

I would suggest having Tamoxifen (Nolva) on hand to combat possible gyno if you was to get it in addition to the AIs

What do you have in mind for your PCT?

Let me know if I can be of any help to you. Be smart. This is a marathon and not a 100 yard sprint. Be in it for the long haul.
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Thank you for all this. I could use some advice on PCT as I’ve heard it’s basically all similar but I’d love to hear your input. Will cutting out the DBol and just running test eliminate higher chances of gyno? Or do you still recommend an AI without the use of dbol?
 
Astro95 said:
6’1,180lbs at 20%bf sorry to be the only guy to break it to you on here, but you shouldn’t be doing steroids at all, much less trying to bulk. If you’re 20%bf what are you bulking to? Trying to get from fat to obese?
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Haha, you are probably right. I will end up trying to cut down BF while gaining muscle. Thank you for the advice!
 
Way too young!!!! do your research learn diet, and how to train properly
there are no short cuts to this shit
 
AnabolSo said:
Thank you for all this. I could use some advice on PCT as I’ve heard it’s basically all similar but I’d love to hear your input. Will cutting out the DBol and just running test eliminate higher chances of gyno? Or do you still recommend an AI without the use of dbol?
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Dropping the dbol will DRASTICLY decrease your risk of getting gyno. You still NEED to have an AI on hand regardless though. You never want to use Test or anything without having an AI on hand, period. You don`t know how much you convert to estrogen and everyone is completely different so this test cycle will be your learning experience on rather or not you need to use an AI on that dosage of test. :)

I`ll link a couple good PCT threads below. You should be able to get by with just using Nolva (Tamoxifen) for PCT just fine.

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