TRT with Propionate

[matthejl]

Little history...has testicular cancer almost 2 years ago, lost a nut and felt like complete crap for 8 months. Got T tested and it was 270.

Started TRT with my urologist (still under his care) and the prescribed dose was 50mg, twice a week for 100mg total.

7 weeks later on a trough...my total T showed only 420 and still felt like crap.

So on my own I ran a protocol of 18mg daily test prop.

Three weeks later I was at 2007 total T, 420 free T, and Estradiol (not sensitive test) was 87...but no high e2 symptoms.

Well I can't run this high seeing a doctor (that lab was self ordered, separate).

Is dosing somewhat linear?

Can I just drop to 9-10mg daily and that would be in the ballpark?

Will do the lab work again in 3-4 months.

Also I love the feeling of prop vs cyp...this was evident right off the bat.

Any help, opinions, direction...would be appreciated.

Thanks

 

[GYMnTONIC]

Emerics protocol is 10mgs a day w prop and is super successful for HRT patients.

 

[matthejl]

Emerics protocol is 10mgs a day w prop and is super successful for HRT patients.

Is he a trt coach?

I thought I was super hyper responding to 18mg ed/126mg week

But I guess test prop just hits a little different.

 

[GYMnTONIC]

Emeric Delczeg

 

[Glycomann]

Little history...has testicular cancer almost 2 years ago, lost a nut and felt like complete crap for 8 months. Got T tested and it was 270.

Started TRT with my urologist (still under his care) and the prescribed dose was 50mg, twice a week for 100mg total.

7 weeks later on a trough...my total T showed only 420 and still felt like crap.

So on my own I ran a protocol of 18mg daily test prop.

Three weeks later I was at 2007 total T, 420 free T, and Estradiol (not sensitive test) was 87...but no high e2 symptoms.

Well I can't run this high seeing a doctor (that lab was self ordered, separate).

Is dosing somewhat linear?

Can I just drop to 9-10mg daily and that would be in the ballpark?

Will do the lab work again in 3-4 months.

Also I love the feeling of prop vs cyp...this was evident right off the bat.

Any help, opinions, direction...would be appreciated.

Thanks

A month before your Dr visit go back to his protocol. You'll test like you did before.

 

[matthejl]

A month before your Dr visit go back to his protocol. You'll test like you did before.

Yea thought about that...I also thought if I could just get a grasp on dosage to numbers...with prop. It would be easy to drop dosage and with prop...it'll clear quick.

 

[Glycomann]

Yea thought about that...I also thought if I could just get a grasp on dosage to numbers...with prop. It would be easy to drop dosage and with prop...it'll clear quick.

You miss your mark and then you could have problems with a doc that's willing to give you TRT after cancer.

 

[Glycomann]

Yea thought about that...I also thought if I could just get a grasp on dosage to numbers...with prop. It would be easy to drop dosage and with prop...it'll clear quick.

You miss your mark and then you could have problems with a doc that's willing to give you TRT after cancer.

 

[jfigs]

I use a Test E/Test P mix because I am only prescribed 100mg a week and I want to run 150mg. A couple weeks before blood work with my TRT clinic, I stop the Test P and just run 100mg Test E. Working well. Inject 15mg Test E and 8mg Test P a day.

 

[matthejl]

Also what is your total T levels on just the enth?

 

[matthejl]

Also what is your total T levels on just the enth?

And both?

 

[jfigs]

Also what is your total T levels on just the enth?

On just Test E, around 850. On both, I do not know.

 

[matthejl]

On just Test E, around 850. On both, I do not know.

Feel alot better on both?

 

[jfigs]

Feel alot better on both?

More energy, less wanting to go to sleep right after work. And my dick wakes up faster and more often. Morning wood everyday.

 

[Wiseguy]

Like I always say everyone's experience is different. Personally, being on TRT for decades I would hate to be injecting daily. I use sust for my trt as close as 200mg a week as I can get M-Thu shots and I feel just great on it.
Bottom line do what works for you and the results you want. Good luck.

 

[Conmike41]

Little history...has testicular cancer almost 2 years ago, lost a nut and felt like complete crap for 8 months. Got T tested and it was 270.

Started TRT with my urologist (still under his care) and the prescribed dose was 50mg, twice a week for 100mg total.

7 weeks later on a trough...my total T showed only 420 and still felt like crap.

So on my own I ran a protocol of 18mg daily test prop.

Three weeks later I was at 2007 total T, 420 free T, and Estradiol (not sensitive test) was 87...but no high e2 symptoms.

Well I can't run this high seeing a doctor (that lab was self ordered, separate).

Is dosing somewhat linear?

Can I just drop to 9-10mg daily and that would be in the ballpark?

Will do the lab work again in 3-4 months.

Also I love the feeling of prop vs cyp...this was evident right off the bat.

Any help, opinions, direction...would be appreciated.

Thanks

I wonder why your total T levels are so much higher on Test Prop vs TRT test?

Has anyone else had similar results?

Seems like you can get higher total T levels on lower dose test prop vs test E/C

 

[Wiseguy]

I wonder why your total T levels are so much higher on Test Prop vs TRT test?

Has anyone else had similar results?

Seems like you can get higher total T levels on lower dose test prop vs test E/C

Should not be if its the same exact dosage. Keep in mind the test results can vary depending on when you took the test after your last injection

 

[RandomLifter]

I wonder why your total T levels are so much higher on Test Prop vs TRT test?

Has anyone else had similar results?

Seems like you can get higher total T levels on lower dose test prop vs test E/C

I think this is consistent with research over time (mainly in rats).

 

[Dyno]

I wonder why your total T levels are so much higher on Test Prop vs TRT test?

Has anyone else had similar results?

Seems like you can get higher total T levels on lower dose test prop vs test E/C

If your dosing the same you’re getting a fairly substantial difference in the amount of actual test on the short esther vs the long esther.

Practical comparison (same labeled dose

100 mg Propionate → ~83.7 mg testosterone
100 mg Enanthate → ~72.0 mg testosterone
100 mg Cypionate → ~69.9 mg testosterone

 

[Dyno]

Not a huge difference for guys on bigger cycles but that’s like approximately 20% difference so I think it would be more noticeable on just TRT

 

[GrindingGrey]

Well I can't run this high seeing a doctor (that lab was self ordered, separate).

If this isn’t your primary care physician that you use for everything then consider doing your TRT yourself. Test is cheap. 100mgs a week would make a bottle last 10 weeks so if you bought 10 bottles at one time that 2 years worth for around $400.

 

[Conmike41]

If your dosing the same you’re getting a fairly substantial difference in the amount of actual test on the short esther vs the long esther.

Practical comparison (same labeled dose

100 mg Propionate → ~83.7 mg testosterone
100 mg Enanthate → ~72.0 mg testosterone
100 mg Cypionate → ~69.9 mg testosterone

Makes sense! I didn’t realize the esters made such a difference

Ty

 

[Farmerdan]

Makes sense! I didn’t realize the esters made such a difference

Ty

It shouldn’t make sense because it’s wrong.
The reason you tested higher on prop is likely because you’re pinning prop everyday and didn’t test in a trough. Hard to test in a trough when you’re pinning a short ester everyday.

Mg for Mg, Longer esters will eventually result in higher stable blood levels, even if there’s less “less actual testosterone” in them because of the ester weight

 

[ruffus]

If i pin prop or cyp everyday till saturation i get about the same T level in my blood. Pinning frequency makes the biggest difference.

 

[Halfnatty666]

Pinning more is better

 

[Bolan]

Emerics protocol is 10mgs a day w prop and is super successful for HRT patients.

This^^^^ And a little Yk

 

[Glycomann]

It shouldn’t make sense because it’s wrong.
The reason you tested higher on prop is likely because you’re pinning prop everyday and didn’t test in a trough. Hard to test in a trough when you’re pinning a short ester everyday.

Mg for Mg, Longer esters will eventually result in higher stable blood levels, even if there’s less “less actual testosterone” in them because of the ester weight

Over time yes but it accumulates and by week 6 it is at steady state. The shorter esters have higher peak and shorter 1/2 life so faster trough. But the peak comes high. I know in my case with Test C once a week at 150 mg/w at my trough I run in the mid 400s. Prop 150 mg/w injected just on M/W/F, on Saturday I test in 800s ng/dL. I feel better as well like the other guy. If you integrate the two curves it's probably almost the same test but a little higher with TP. The normal pattern in a eugonadal man the level peaks and troughs daily. Some of the really good TRT docs take the multiple injections a week to more closely mimic that natural cycling. Some guys feel better on that schema. Try it and see next time you are down to TRT levels.

 

[JJB1]

Little history...has testicular cancer almost 2 years ago, lost a nut and felt like complete crap for 8 months. Got T tested and it was 270.

Started TRT with my urologist (still under his care) and the prescribed dose was 50mg, twice a week for 100mg total.

7 weeks later on a trough...my total T showed only 420 and still felt like crap.

So on my own I ran a protocol of 18mg daily test prop.

Three weeks later I was at 2007 total T, 420 free T, and Estradiol (not sensitive test) was 87...but no high e2 symptoms.

Well I can't run this high seeing a doctor (that lab was self ordered, separate).

Is dosing somewhat linear?

Can I just drop to 9-10mg daily and that would be in the ballpark?

Will do the lab work again in 3-4 months.

Also I love the feeling of prop vs cyp...this was evident right off the bat.

Any help, opinions, direction...would be appreciated.

Thanks

Heck yeah! Test prop is such an under rated compound. It’s far superior to the rest in my body. 15mg/day for 20 days got my total testosterone up from 9 to 1,304. I’m now doing 16mg/day, and I recently added 12.5mg enclomiphene for deez nuts .
Test prop is dirt cheap, too.

 

[Joesauto]

Little history...has testicular cancer almost 2 years ago, lost a nut and felt like complete crap for 8 months. Got T tested and it was 270.

Started TRT with my urologist (still under his care) and the prescribed dose was 50mg, twice a week for 100mg total.

7 weeks later on a trough...my total T showed only 420 and still felt like crap.

So on my own I ran a protocol of 18mg daily test prop.

Three weeks later I was at 2007 total T, 420 free T, and Estradiol (not sensitive test) was 87...but no high e2 symptoms.

Well I can't run this high seeing a doctor (that lab was self ordered, separate).

Is dosing somewhat linear?

Can I just drop to 9-10mg daily and that would be in the ballpark?

Will do the lab work again in 3-4 months.

Also I love the feeling of prop vs cyp...this was evident right off the bat.

Any help, opinions, direction...would be appreciated.

Thanks

Damn bro you lost a nut and your shit was still a lot higher then my T level when I went on TRT I didn’t lose a nut but at 38’i went to a urologist and got tested my level was 212 and he said I needed to be u see 200 to get put on went back a little
Over a year later and I was at 171 at 39 almost 40 years old and got put on 200mg cyp a week after 6 months I was at like 1500 test so he lowered it to 160mg 3 months later got tested my level was 1023 so he left me there at 160mg but upped my arimidex from hale a pill
To a whole one so 1mg a week 24 hours after I take my shot and my E level was at either 32 or 36 I believe and he left me there he did some other test and came to the conclusion that because of my small size compared to the rest of my family I 5’5&3/4’s hight and everyone in my family is 5’11 or better my dad even got his T tested and at 81 his levels were 389 more then double mine at 39 and I never touched anabolics till I went of TRT I tested the waters you could say and what I e learned I get big full and hard taking 320mg test and 240 mg of eq at one point I took 600mg test 400mg eq and 260mg primo and didn’t get as big or look as good what they say is true more isn’t better but I just do my TRT now maybe when I can afford real growth hormone I’ll do some
But even that I only take 1iu a day if I can actually afford it I’ll go up to 2 iu a day but honestly from what I’ve seen 1 iu does the same as 2 iu so why bother taking more iam not trying to get high I just wanna look lean and younger and when iam on growth it definitely makes me look a lot younger but I do look a lot younger the. 44 even with out it

 

[jfigs]

If your dosing the same you’re getting a fairly substantial difference in the amount of actual test on the short esther vs the long esther.

Practical comparison (same labeled dose

100 mg Propionate → ~83.7 mg testosterone
100 mg Enanthate → ~72.0 mg testosterone
100 mg Cypionate → ~69.9 mg testosterone

Where did you get these numbers? Is this like an effective dose compared to the label?