Thoughts on 2,250mg/week Test Solo Cycle with no E2 Control

[19NorFan]

My post contest rebound phase is about to end and I need to plan for my fall/winter growth phase. For last year's growth phase, I did 1,200mg/week test and 600mg/week boldenone. There were periods where injectable anadrol and tren suspension were used for short periods too, so I was close to about 2 grams/week.

I was not a fan of the boldenone and this time I want to do test solo. In the past, I had no issue doing over a gram of test solo without an AI and did not get any high E2 symptoms. However, my E2 was elevated on labs, but no symptoms. Are there any potential negatives to using "high" doses of test where E2 is elevated, even if E2 symptoms are not present? Would it potentially be less anabolic or less healthy?

The only ancillary that I would be using will be dutasteride, to block DHT conversion and in turn, the androgenicity of the cycle. Using a 5ar on high test is not necessarily just about saving hair, but to make the skin less irritated, prevents BPH and I generally feel mentally better on and less turned up on longer cycles.

The reason I am not using nandrolone for this cycle OR a secondary DHT is for a few reasons... With nandrolone decanoate, I can tolerate it up to about 1,200mg - 1,500mg per week. Beyond that, the RAAS activation makes the water retention and BP difficult to manage, especially when combined with hgh. And since this is my first time using a test base >2 grams, I want to establish a baseline for what it does solo before introducing secondary compounds like mast or primo.

 

[Slowsol]

Big boy cycle right there! Maybe one day I can play in the big leagues too

 

[19NorFan]

Big boy cycle right there! Maybe one day I can play in the big leagues too

It really doesn't feel as much as it sounds. Before I did 1,000mg/week, I thought that was a lot. Because I was used to hearing guys like Jay Cutler or JP Fux say that they used "500 - 600 miligrams per week" or Milos Sarcev saying "I never once suggested to an athlete to use more than 600mg/week of testosterone in the offseason."

But then you try it and at 1,200mg test + 600mg EQ and it doesn't feel like much at all, at least not how the first cycle felt. The growth was noticeable don't get me wrong but you're not turning into super hulk throwing around weights like 2010s Branch Warren.

 

[Slowsol]

It really doesn't feel as much as it sounds. Before I did 1,000mg/week, I thought that was a lot. Because I was used to hearing guys like Jay Cutler or JP Fux say that they used "500 - 600 miligrams per week" or Milos Sarcev saying "I never once suggested to an athlete to use more than 600mg/week of testosterone in the offseason."

But then you try it and at 1,200mg test + 600mg EQ and it doesn't feel like much at all, at least not how the first cycle felt. The growth was noticeable don't get me wrong but you're not turning into super hulk throwing around weights like 2010s Branch Warren.

Yeah that makes sense. Gotta love chasing the dragon lol I feel like the older school guys used more than they let on but I have no way of substantiating that claim

 

[Meetketchup]

To be perfectly honest, it’s excessive. You could probably cut that in half and make almost the same gains while being less toxic a.k.a. feeling better, which will in turn provide better results. Being strategic and focusing on quality usually Trump’s quantity. Especially long-term. You do that cycle then do you go from there? To 3 g? 4g? 5g?

You have such a good base of muscle and can make awesome gains with less. you also know nutrition and how to train. Adding more drugs isn’t always the answer. I mean you’re just coming off of a MENT cycle right after prep.

Just one man’s opinion and I know you’ll do whatever you want which I respect.

 

[WED]

So...do you just not get high E2 symptoms? I want to run a high test/high mast cycle but will have an AI in there. I've had E2 around 100 on test only and didn't have any bad symptoms. I can only run Primo/EQ at 30% or so, any higher my E2 in the high teens low 20s

 

[Oakley6575]

To be perfectly honest, it’s excessive. You could probably cut that in half and make almost the same gains while being less toxic a.k.a. feeling better, which will in turn provide better results. Being strategic and focusing on quality usually Trump’s quantity. Especially long-term. You do that cycle then do you go from there? To 3 g? 4g? 5g?

Why is this still a thing?.. Somehow if you run a certain dosage, it's not effective the next time you use it, so you have to increase? 3g? 4g? 5g? What?

That's not how it works. You being the boards most advanced coach it's ever seen should have a better understanding of this. All these olympians are having to increase their doses every phase? I don't think so. They would all be taking 10-20g after 10-15 years if that was the case.

My post contest rebound phase is about to end and I need to plan for my fall/winter growth phase. For last year's growth phase, I did 1,200mg/week test and 600mg/week boldenone. There were periods where injectable anadrol and tren suspension were used for short periods too, so I was close to about 2 grams/week.

I was not a fan of the boldenone and this time I want to do test solo. In the past, I had no issue doing over a gram of test solo without an AI and did not get any high E2 symptoms. However, my E2 was elevated on labs, but no symptoms. Are there any potential negatives to using "high" doses of test where E2 is elevated, even if E2 symptoms are not present? Would it potentially be less anabolic or less healthy?

The only ancillary that I would be using will be dutasteride, to block DHT conversion and in turn, the androgenicity of the cycle. Using a 5ar on high test is not necessarily just about saving hair, but to make the skin less irritated, prevents BPH and I generally feel mentally better on and less turned up on longer cycles.

The reason I am not using nandrolone for this cycle OR a secondary DHT is for a few reasons... With nandrolone decanoate, I can tolerate it up to about 1,200mg - 1,500mg per week. Beyond that, the RAAS activation makes the water retention and BP difficult to manage, especially when combined with hgh. And since this is my first time using a test base >2 grams, I want to establish a baseline for what it does solo before introducing secondary compounds like mast or primo.

There is zero reason to run your estrogen high. If you are going to run test alone, go for it, but have an AI on hand and get bloodwork done so you can keep your E2 in a good range for a male. Even if you don't have symptoms, over a long run of it being high, things can start to catch up to you. Prolactin, sexual stuff like ED or libido drop that you don't necessarily notice until it's too late, sleeps progressively gets worse, etc. You aren't going to grow better from having high E2. Just control it.

 

[Vee]

300mg Test/day as long as your health markers aren’t negatively affected and blood pressure is within decent range, do it. Might be your favorite ever!

 

[19NorFan]

To be perfectly honest, it’s excessive. You could probably cut that in half and make almost the same gains while being less toxic a.k.a. feeling better, which will in turn provide better results. Being strategic and focusing on quality usually Trump’s quantity. Especially long-term. You do that cycle then do you go from there? To 3 g? 4g? 5g?

You have such a good base of muscle and can make awesome gains with less. you also know nutrition and how to train. Adding more drugs isn’t always the answer. I mean you’re just coming off of a MENT cycle right after prep.

Just one man’s opinion and I know you’ll do whatever you want which I respect.

Why is this still a thing?.. Somehow if you run a certain dosage, it's not effective the next time you use it, so you have to increase? 3g? 4g? 5g? What?

That's not how it works. You being the boards most advanced coach it's ever seen should have a better understanding of this. All these olympians are having to increase their doses every phase? I don't think so. They would all be taking 10-20g after 10-15 years if that was the case.


There is zero reason to run your estrogen high. If you are going to run test alone, go for it, but have an AI on hand and get bloodwork done so you can keep your E2 in a good range for a male. Even if you don't have symptoms, over a long run of it being high, things can start to catch up to you. Prolactin, sexual stuff like ED or libido drop that you don't necessarily notice until it's too late, sleeps progressively gets worse, etc. You aren't going to grow better from having high E2. Just control it.

Based on information that I have received from various sources, my understanding is that the test base is escalated over time until a max tolerable dose is reached OR you've reached the desirable size. For example, an Open competitor, might escalate to a max tolerable dose of 5 grams per week and then will hold that dose for the duration of their careers and then drive growth through other pathways, like HGH.

There's no single textbook out there that outlines the way to do this so I'm going based on feedback. I acknowledge that this might not be the best approach and take feedback to the contrary seriously.

 

[19NorFan]

So...do you just not get high E2 symptoms? I want to run a high test/high mast cycle but will have an AI in there. I've had E2 around 100 on test only and didn't have any bad symptoms. I can only run Primo/EQ at 30% or so, any higher my E2 in the high teens low 20s

Not from test solo, at least not at the doses I've used. But for example, if I were to throw just 1 anadrol a day into the mix or 100mg/week of Deca, my tits would absolutely explode.

I've only ever gotten E2 sides from test + anadrol or some other estrogenic compound.

 

[19NorFan]

300mg Test/day as long as your health markers aren’t negatively affected and blood pressure is within decent range, do it. Might be your favorite ever!

The main changes that I see from higher test doses are on CBC panel. Hematocrit may go over 50, maybe 52 or 53 but I can bring that down to 46-48 with Enalapril.