Switch to HGH or stay on Tesa/Ipa for less sides?

[Knarfster]

I'm about to start my next cycle, test 350/week and DHB 350/week, daily injections. I am wondering if I should switch from my current regime, Tesamorelin 2.5 mg + ipamorelin 900 mcg 5 days a week which puts my IGF-1 ≈432 ng/mL. Or go back to HGH.
I start getting carpel tunnel at 3.33iu, so 4 iu will add even more water, and I like to run a fairly dry cycle. 432 is pretty high for a 61byear old.
Thoughts?

 

[Sirchon]

I recently stopped GH and went to tesa at night. I prefer it. Fewer side effects and I generally feel better.

 

[elit3keraed]

well that depends, do you need four units of GH to get the same level of IGF?

Or can you get similar IGF with a lower dosage?

I mean, my autistic ass would literally just breakdown the cost per point of IGF to figure out which is more cost-effective and go from there.

 

[Slowsol]

I was on CJC/IPA before switching to GH. My logic was why take something to trigger GH secretion when I could skip the mechanism entirely. I haven’t priced it in a while, but I think Tesa is just as costly as GH so IMO I’d just run the GH. But if you don’t like the tingling hands for a few weeks while you adjust dosing I get that. Personally I think there’s more that goes on inside the body taking GH than simply your IGF-1 number going up. Sure, more GH should mean more IGF-1, but I don’t think raising IGF-1 is all that’s going on.

 

[Knarfster]

well that depends, do you need four units of GH to get the same level of IGF?

Or can you get similar IGF with a lower dosage?

I mean, my autistic ass would literally just breakdown the cost per point of IGF to figure out which is more cost-effective and go from there.

There are subtle differences between the two, not just your IGF-1 level. If the IGF-1 was equal HGH still has a slight edge in fat burning and soft tissue growth because of the continuous exposure, not just pulses. That being said it also has more side effects, fluid retention and possibly affecting insulin sensitivity more.

I am trying to figure out if the juice is worth the squeeze. Is the soft tissue growth increase enough to justify the extra fluid retention.

I get 10mg Vials of Tesa for $20 each (jano tested). So it isn't really that expensive.

 

[elit3keraed]

I was on CJC/IPA before switching to GH. My logic was why take something to trigger GH secretion when I could skip the mechanism entirely. I haven’t priced it in a while, but I think Tesa is just as costly as GH so IMO I’d just run the GH. But if you don’t like the tingling hands for a few weeks while you adjust dosing I get that. Personally I think there’s more that goes on inside the body taking GH than simply your IGF-1 number going up. Sure, more GH should mean more IGF-1, but I don’t think raising IGF-1 is all that’s going on.

That’s my logic as well. Cost per iu I could run something like 6-8 units of GH before running tesa and ipam would be cheaper (I could go even higher if I got in on a sale lol)

 

[elit3keraed]

There are subtle differences between the two, not just your IGF-1 level. If the IGF-1 was equal HGH still has a slight edge in fat burning and soft tissue growth because of the continuous exposure, not just pulses. That being said it also has more side effects, fluid retention and possibly affecting insulin sensitivity more.

I am trying to figure out if the juice is worth the squeeze. Is the soft tissue growth increase enough to justify the extra fluid retention.

I mean, yes and no, you’re still getting a pulsatile effect whether you inject or secrete GH. It’s just a matter of how much you do in one pulse.

Doing a bolus dose of HGH pre-bed tends to have less of an impact on blood sugar compared to spreading it out throughout the day, and you can even go so far as to doing EOD GH to combat blood sugar issues while getting comparable IGF levels to ED injections.

There’s definitely a lot of extra benefits to HGH itself and not just the IGF level increase, but if you can figure out what your IGF is on injectable HGH versus the peptides, and you can figure out a rough idea of how much your body is producing through the peptides versus exogenous administration.

If your IGF is 400 on your current stack and your IGF goes to 400 on 3.3 units of GH, then you know roughly how many units of GH the peptide stack is pushing your body to secrete. Cause at the end of the day the GH converts to IGF so you can’t have a higher IGF with lower GH assuming all other factors are the same (insulin, food, estrogen etc)

Carpal tunnel is also unknown side effect of tesa.. so if you’re not getting carpal tunnel from that but getting carpal tunnel from 3.3 units of GH, either you’re not producing as much GH on the peptides OR the GH you have is overdosed or “dirty” (seen plenty of posts of people running same IU but different generics winding up with huge fluctuations in retention)

 

[Vee]

I am trying to figure out if the juice is worth the squeeze. Is the soft tissue growth increase enough to justify the extra fluid retention.

As long as you are lean or ripped or already jacked, the fluid retention from the hgh will blow you up 3D in the muscle bellies. You’ll not be able to pass by a mirror without checking out how unbelievably round and pumped you have become

Don’t expect rapid fat loss, or reverse aging lol… but watch your muscle bellies all over start expanding and blowing up like balloons. Its insane. The subq spill over can be taken care of by diet alone

 

[Knarfster]

As long as you are lean or ripped or already jacked, the fluid retention from the hgh will blow you up 3D in the muscle bellies. You’ll not be able to pass by a mirror without checking out how unbelievably round and pumped you have become

Don’t expect rapid fat loss, or reverse aging lol… but watch your muscle bellies all over start expanding and blowing up like balloons. Its insane. The subq spill over can be taken care of by diet alone

I am about 11% right now. Hoping to be at 10 when I start the cycle. Blood and Dexa scheduled for day before I start.

 

[Nood]

You’ll be lean enough the fluid retention should be minimal. Personally I don’t get that side effect. It Will help keep you lean throughout your growth phase.. I’d swap it out and see how it goes, can always drop it.

 

[Knarfster]

You’ll be lean enough the fluid retention should be minimal. Personally I don’t get that side effect. It Will help keep you lean throughout your growth phase.. I’d swap it out and see how it goes, can always drop it.

I have plenty on hand so I am considering it

 

[Billygoat]

I'm about to start my next cycle, test 350/week and DHB 350/week, daily injections. I am wondering if I should switch from my current regime, Tesamorelin 2.5 mg + ipamorelin 900 mcg 5 days a week which puts my IGF-1 ≈432 ng/mL. Or go back to HGH.
I start getting carpel tunnel at 3.33iu, so 4 iu will add even more water, and I like to run a fairly dry cycle. 432 is pretty high for a 61byear old.
Thoughts?

I think the soft tissue repair, collagen etc is well worth it over GH releasing peptides. I love tesa, have used it and know it works. But I’m on GH now and can tell a difference. I think anyone 30 and younger should use tesa.