Splitting your oral dose / Let’s talk about it

[PlayTo123123]

Hey everyone

I want to get the general consensus on splitting oral doses. Most orals have a half life o own nine hours, so in theory it would make sense to split the dose a.m. and p.m.

I’m just wondering who actually does that, and if it’s made any difference?

 

[Bolan]

Hey everyone

I want to get the general consensus on splitting oral doses. Most orals have a half life o own nine hours, so in theory it would make sense to split the dose a.m. and p.m.

I’m just wondering who actually does that, and if it’s made any difference?

I think we all do it.....Except for the guys who just take orals Pre W/O which is a waste IMO.
AM/ PM with orals to avoid hormone fluxuations.

 

[Nood]

I have best results when splitting dose. I feel the effects a lot more that way then just preworkout.

 

[TomJ]

im going to go against the grain to the other responses so far.

I dont see any reason to split dose most oral AAS.
Orals are best at providing a temporary performance increase and enhancing training, not so much adding tissue.
So the only way that i personally use orals is PWO in very select situations in which i need to break through a progress plateau at the tail end of a blast, where progress stalls slightly.

If my goal is to add tissue in general, there is no oral i would use for this purpose.
If you want to add tissue, and stable serum levels, youre better off in nearly all situations by simply relying on injectables.

so my reasoning is "orals are best use for their performance enhancing effects, making training more effective, so id take them in a way that maximizes this effect"

This is obviously only from the context of growth, and doesnt take into consideration cosmetic benefits from orals used in contest prep

 

[Wardamn]

One bolus dose for me.

 

[Bolan]

One bolus dose for me.

Damn that would hurt

 

[Battousai]

Anally intra workout

 

[Wardamn]

Anally intra workout

 

[PlayTo123123]

I'm going to go against the grain of the other responses so far.

I dont see any reason to split the dose most oral AAS.
Orals are best at providing a temporary performance increase and enhancing training, not so much adding tissue.
So the only way that i personally use orals is PWO in very select situations in which i need to break through a progress plateau at the tail end of a blast, where progress stalls slightly.

If my goal is to add tissue in general, there is no oral i would use for this purpose.
If you want to add tissue, and stable serum levels, youre better off in nearly all situations by simply relying on injectables.

so my reasoning is "orals are best use for their performance enhancing effects, making training more effective, so id take them in a way that maximizes this effect"

This is obviously only from the context of growth, and doesnt take into consideration cosmetic benefits from orals used in contest prep

I appreciate the time you took to reply to me as well as your insight!

I’m definitely using my oral cycle to add lean tissue. It also serves as a kickstart for my 14-week blast. I like the idea of achieving a faster visual appearance while I wait for the testosterone to take effect. However, I wouldn’t use it if it was just going to make me look better for a few weeks and then wear off.

Currently, I'm taking 20 mg of Superdrol per day for three weeks and 25 mg of Winstrol, increasing that dosage to 50 mg for the final three weeks. My research indicates that, for a balance of size, strength, dryness, and health risk control, the combination of 20 mg of Superdrol and 25 mg of Winstrol is a smarter, safer, and more effective choice compared to taking 30 mg of Superdrol or 50 mg of Winstrol alone.

With correct training, nutrition, stress management and sleep, I’d like to think these compounds do add some tissue!

 

[Glycomann]

Why would you not take your orals more than once a day? The 1/2 lives of these things are on the order of hours. Just keep a little pill box in your pocket, one a little more than the size of a quarter. They usually have three compartment split. So, keep some Advil, Naprosin and a few of your orals in the third. Take one dose in the morning with your morning vitamins, pill box at lunch and again on the way from work to the gym. simple Simon.

 

[PlayTo123123]

Why would you not take your orals more than once a day? The 1/2 lives of these things are on the order of hours. Just keep a little pill box in your pocket, one a little more than the size of a quarter. They usually have three compartment split. So, keep some Advil, Naprosin and a few of your orals in the third. Take one dose in the morning with your morning vitamins, pill box at lunch and again on the way from work to the gym. simple Simon.

There’s a lot of misinformation out there I guess. I doubt Arnold was splitting his 3-Dbol a day haha.

But I like to follow the science, and a half life makes it logical to split

 

[Glycomann]

There’s a lot of misinformation out there I guess. I doubt Arnold was splitting his 3-Dbol a day haha.

But I like to follow the science, and a half life makes it logical to split

Here is a cut and paste from the package insert from Oxandrin, which is oxandrolone.

Adults: The response of individuals to anabolic
steroids varies. The daily adult dosage is 2.5
mg to 20 mg given in 2 to 4 divided doses. The
desired response may be achieved with as little
as 2.5 mg or as much as 20 mg daily. A course
of therapy of 2 to 4 weeks is usually adequate.
This may be repeated intermittently as
indicated.

 

[PlayTo123123]

Here is a cut and paste from the package insert from Oxandrin, which is oxandrolone.

Adults: The response of individuals to anabolic
steroids varies. The daily adult dosage is 2.5
mg to 20 mg given in 2 to 4 divided doses. The
desired response may be achieved with as little
as 2.5 mg or as much as 20 mg daily. A course
of therapy of 2 to 4 weeks is usually adequate.
This may be repeated intermittently as
indicated.

This is why I came here. Incredible info. Wish I could get pharma stuff lol.

 

[Meetketchup]

im going to go against the grain to the other responses so far.

I dont see any reason to split dose most oral AAS.
Orals are best at providing a temporary performance increase and enhancing training, not so much adding tissue.
So the only way that i personally use orals is PWO in very select situations in which i need to break through a progress plateau at the tail end of a blast, where progress stalls slightly.

If my goal is to add tissue in general, there is no oral i would use for this purpose.
If you want to add tissue, and stable serum levels, youre better off in nearly all situations by simply relying on injectables.

so my reasoning is "orals are best use for their performance enhancing effects, making training more effective, so id take them in a way that maximizes this effect"

This is obviously only from the context of growth, and doesnt take into consideration cosmetic benefits from orals used in contest prep

This 100%

Couldn't have said it any better.

 

[dcdogz]

im going to go against the grain to the other responses so far.

I dont see any reason to split dose most oral AAS.
Orals are best at providing a temporary performance increase and enhancing training, not so much adding tissue.
So the only way that i personally use orals is PWO in very select situations in which i need to break through a progress plateau at the tail end of a blast, where progress stalls slightly.

If my goal is to add tissue in general, there is no oral i would use for this purpose.
If you want to add tissue, and stable serum levels, youre better off in nearly all situations by simply relying on injectables.

so my reasoning is "orals are best use for their performance enhancing effects, making training more effective, so id take them in a way that maximizes this effect"

This is obviously only from the context of growth, and doesnt take into consideration cosmetic benefits from orals used in contest prep

so given your use case, seems like tbol fits this description no?
gives legitimate performance increases and mild side effects
versus the superdrol/anadrol counterparts that sometimes people recommend.
or are there other reasons to run to stronger orals at a plateau?

 

[TomJ]

I appreciate the time you took to reply to me as well as your insight!

I’m definitely using my oral cycle to add lean tissue. It also serves as a kickstart for my 14-week blast. I like the idea of achieving a faster visual appearance while I wait for the testosterone to take effect. However, I wouldn’t use it if it was just going to make me look better for a few weeks and then wear off.

Unfortunately, in my experience, thats exactly what is going to happen.
Its not to say they grow no tissue, they are just really bad at it and youd have better results with less negative health outcomes from using/increasing the dose of you injectables for that goal.
I, Personally, also dont like the idea of a kickstart. I place priority on lasting results, not getting "the visual effect" temporarily or in the short term.
This is just my opinion

Currently, I'm taking 20 mg of Superdrol per day for three weeks and 25 mg of Winstrol, increasing that dosage to 50 mg for the final three weeks. My research indicates that, for a balance of size, strength, dryness, and health risk control, the combination of 20 mg of Superdrol and 25 mg of Winstrol is a smarter, safer, and more effective choice compared to taking 30 mg of Superdrol or 50 mg of Winstrol alone.

I dont know where you got this, i dont agree in any way.

With correct training, nutrition, stress management and sleep, I’d like to think these compounds do add some tissue!

they certainly will, but better lasting results could have been achieved with just a higher injectable dose rather than the orals, without touching your liver, in my opinion.

 

[Meetketchup]

so given your use case, seems like tbol fits this description no?
gives legitimate performance increases and mild side effects
versus the superdrol/anadrol counterparts that sometimes people recommend.
or are there other reasons to run to stronger orals at a plateau?

If you throw in oral's such A-bombs or DBol when you hit a plateau, that strength bump will in "most cases" dissipate when you stop taking them. So, you're in essence adding toxicity for not a lot in return when you are most likely already on a large number of injectables to begin with, which is the real muscle builder. We've all done it and after years of seeing bloodwork vs results for this purpose, it's not worth it in most cases. For the harsher orals, remember, the less toxicity in a growth phase, the more you will grow. Save those orals for when in contest prep or a deep cut when calories are super low and you need to push through workouts and hold on to as much tissue as possible. That is where they shine.

Your question about TBol: All orals will give you strength and CNS activation. It's the potency and sides of those compounds that differ. Same principal.

 

[TomJ]

Here is a cut and paste from the package insert from Oxandrin, which is oxandrolone.

Adults: The response of individuals to anabolic
steroids varies. The daily adult dosage is 2.5
mg to 20 mg given in 2 to 4 divided doses. The
desired response may be achieved with as little
as 2.5 mg or as much as 20 mg daily. A course
of therapy of 2 to 4 weeks is usually adequate.
This may be repeated intermittently as
indicated.

This is why I came here. Incredible info. Wish I could get pharma stuff lol.

its important to know the purposes these drugs are prescribed for in the clinical setting, which is very rarely in line with what we, as recreational PED users self prescribe for.

In the case of Anavar, its prescribed for recovery after major surgery, life threatening infection, burn victims, ect mostly to combat the catabolic side effects of high dose, longer term administration of corticosteroids.

The dosing recomendations are in place for this purpose, not the purpose of performance enhancement.

Here is the copy/paste pharmacodynamics for anavar use today.

Oxandrolone is an anabolic steroids indicated as adjunctive therapy to promote weight gain after weight loss following extensive surgery, chronic infections, or severe trauma, and in some patients who without definite pathophysiologic reasons fail to gain or to maintain normal weight, to offset the protein catabolism associated with prolonged administration of corticosteroids, and for the relief of the bone pain frequently accompanying osteoporosis. Anabolic steroids are synthetic derivatives of testosterone.

 

[TomJ]

so given your use case, seems like tbol fits this description no?
gives legitimate performance increases and mild side effects
versus the superdrol/anadrol counterparts that sometimes people recommend.
or are there other reasons to run to stronger orals at a plateau?

I would consider tbol a reasonable choice, but i have no personal experience with using it and havent seen anything to make me think of it as a better option than somethign else.
That being said, sure, for the purposes of driving performance yeah tbol would be a good choice, as would most options.

I personally go to anavar or (in most cases) anadrol if/when its needed (most blasts they arent needed) as neither drastically impacts my lipids, liver values, or hurts my appetite (which is something i struggle with in general)

There are other reasons in my book where it makes sense to throw an oral in. However, most all of them are to take advantage of some temporary effect such as the cosmetic benefits/hardening into a bodybuilding show/ photoshoot/ beach vacation/ whatever, to get a strength boost going into a powerlifting contest (orals are king for this), or like i said before, when youre at the ass end of a growth phase blast and training stalls out 3-4 weeks before you planned to end the phase. You have two choices then, up the dose/include an oral, or cut the phase short, and none of us want to cut it short unless we have to.

 

[Glycomann]

its important to know the purposes these drugs are prescribed for in the clinical setting, which is very rarely in line with what we, as recreational PED users self prescribe for.

In the case of Anavar, its prescribed for recovery after major surgery, life threatening infection, burn victims, ect mostly to combat the catabolic side effects of high dose, longer term administration of corticosteroids.

The dosing recomendations are in place for this purpose, not the purpose of performance enhancement.

Here is the copy/paste pharmacodynamics for anavar use today.

No oxandrolone was prescribed for a number of things most overlapping with injectables. Oxandrolone is for building tissue just like other anabolic steroids. In some cases from burns. In some cases for recovery from trauma, from anorexia, from starvation, from debilitation, from wasting from HIV and other catabolic disease states, and we know that they build tissue. Oxandrolone certainly works on women. Last time I checked they are human like us. If you think they don't work then you are missing a whole lot. Orals have a place in the PED tool box and those used probably don't match your limited use recommendations. But to each his own. This thread's topic was to dose once or split the dose. It should be obvious that splitting the dose is how the drug was designed to work. That it is recommended that way in the clinical setting somehow you construe as being antithetical for it's use in the PED setting. At times you can be obtuse.

 

[intense_bulldoze]

I think we all do it.....Except for the guys who just take orals Pre W/O which is a waste IMO.
AM/ PM with orals to avoid hormone fluxuations.

Why would you not take your orals more than once a day? The 1/2 lives of these things are on the order of hours. Just keep a little pill box in your pocket, one a little more than the size of a quarter. They usually have three compartment split. So, keep some Advil, Naprosin and a few of your orals in the third. Take one dose in the morning with your morning vitamins, pill box at lunch and again on the way from work to the gym. simple Simon.

Listen to these guys and forget the BS fluff and links to nothing that relate @PlayTo123123.

It is common sense IMO to split the dose throughout the day due to half lives and users typically wanting more stability in their levels. That is really all that needs to be said.

 

[intense_bulldoze]

I would consider tbol a reasonable choice, but i have no personal experience with using it and havent seen anything to make me think of it as a better option than somethign else.

Why would you comment on Tbol when you have no personal experience with Tbol?


I think its best to leave the commenting to those that have experience in cases like this.

 

[TomJ]

No oxandrolone was prescribed for a number of things most overlapping with injectables. Oxandrolone is for building tissue just like other anabolic steroids. In some cases from burns. In some cases for recovery from trauma, from anorexia, from starvation, from debilitation, from wasting from HIV and other catabolic disease states, and we know that they build tissue. Oxandrolone certainly works on women. Last time I checked they are human like us. If you think they don't work then you are missing a whole lot. Orals have a place in the PED tool box and those used probably don't match your limited use recommendations. But to each his own. This thread's topic was to dose once or split the dose. It should be obvious that splitting the dose is how the drug was designed to work. That it is recommended that way in the clinical setting somehow you construe as being antithetical for it's use in the PED setting. At times you can be obtuse.

I never said they don't work, in fact i explicitly said they do.

It is my belief that they are not an effective tool for the purposes of muscle building WHEN COMPARED TO Injectable options.

As I explained, I, personally, dont like using orals as a vehicle to drive growth, so im not using them for that purpose. I explained the situations in which i do use them, and for what purpose i choose an oral.

Because I dont believe they are a good tool for building muscle, the dosing schedule and clinical research on their use for that purpose is moot.

End of the day it doesnt have to be that serious.
I presented my position, gave my reasoning, and explained what my choice is.

this is all for discussion, just because you didnt like my opinion doesn't make it a personal attack on you.

 

[TomJ]

Why would you comment on Tbol when you have no personal experience with Tbol?


I think its best to leave the commenting to those that have experience in cases like this.

Because im aware of its properties and i was directly, end explicitly asked what i thought about it.
Just because ive personally never used it, doesnt mean im ignorant to what it does/can do

I dont need first hand knowledge of how heroine feels to know i should probably avoid it. Same thing here.

 

[intense_bulldoze]

Because im aware of its properties and i was directly, end explicitly asked what i thought about it.
Just because ive personally never used it, doesnt mean im ignorant to what it does/can do

I dont need first hand knowledge of how heroine feels to know i should probably avoid it. Same thing here.

That analogy doesn't even come close to comparing apples to apples bro and you know this.

Sorry bro, but I'm not relying on what you think you know and are aware of as good advice when making a decision on a compound. Everyone here has google just like you do.

I still think in cases like this thread, its best to hear opinions and advice from those with actual experience but yeah, you do you.

 

[TomJ]

That analogy doesn't even come close to comparing apples to apples bro and you know this.

Sorry bro, but I'm not relying on what you think you know and are aware of as good advice when making a decision on a compound. Everyone here has google just like you do.

I still think in cases like this thread, its best to hear opinions and advice from those with actual experience but yeah, you do you.

Well my opinion was directly requested on the matter, and i gave that with all the appropriate context.

If you have a problem with that you can file a complaint with HR.

In the meantime, eat my ass. Take your hurt feelings somewhere else.
"oh no someone has a different opinion and method to steroids than I do, what is the world coming to"

 

[intense_bulldoze]

Well my opinion was directly requested on the matter, and i gave that with all the appropriate context.

If you have a problem with that you can file a complaint with HR.

In the meantime, eat my ass. Take your hurt feelings somewhere else.
"oh no someone has a different opinion and method to steroids than I do, what is the world coming to"

My bad. I didn't see that @dcdogz asked for your opinion. He probably figured you had used Tbol.

Who said I had hurt feelings?

Looks like you do with your comments. Untwist your panties and up your AI bro.

 

[TomJ]

My bad. I didn't see that @dcdogz asked for your opinion. He probably figured you had used Tbol.

Who said I had hurt feelings?

Looks like you do with your comments. Untwist your panties and up your AI bro.

none here brother, just discussion.

He asked, and i answered with all the appropriate caveats and context that i personally dont use it.
Obviously my opinion is that, my opinion, and is deferred to those with first hand experience.

I interpreted your post as being personally offended at my opinion
no harm no foul, sorry for coming at you.

 

[Astro95]

I use them PWO to enhance my training sessions while also adding to the anabolic load with their unique characteristics. If I’m looking to add more anabolic load in general then I add more injectables without having the kidney/liver stress in my body 24/7 from split orals. If you split orals then when do you take your liver support?

 

[Bolan]

I use them PWO to enhance my training sessions while also adding to the anabolic load with their unique characteristics. If I’m looking to add more anabolic load in general then I add more injectables without having the kidney/liver stress in my body 24/7 from split orals. If you split orals then when do you take your liver support?

I dunno... How did the guys in the 60's 70's 80s take their orals?
They had liver support back then? Essentiale Forte was the 1st Liver supp that we had access too. Came in Amps and Oral gel caps from Russia.

I take liver support year round (unless im taking orals)