Rate first cycle at 17

[Roidmaxxer]

Say goodbye to your hair to

Dutasteride

 

[Roidmaxxer]

Dude be in bad shape by 30, 17 you barely have hair on your balls and you want to do test, you got more test running through your body now, just going to stop your natural testosterone is what your really going to do

that’s what a pct is for

 

[Glycomann]

A few questions to help hone in on your state.

What do you weigh?
How long have you been lifting?
What are the major lifts you do?
How much protein do you consume each day?
What sports have you played?

 

[Glycomann]

Double post

 

[Cypher]

Dutasteride

 

[Roidmaxxer]

A few questions to help hone in on your state.

What do you weigh?
How long have you been lifting?
What are the major lifts you do?
How much protein do you consume each day?
What sports have you played?

I current weigh 70kg. Been lifting since I was 13. I run Arnold split and chose mainly stable machine exercises. I consume roughly 160-180g of protein a day and I play rugby

 

[Rot-Iron66]

Generation Retard

 

[AR-15]

Op I played sports as well. I started juicing at 19. You’re obviously gonna do it regardless what everyone here says so go ahead. Jack up your test, which is probably still pretty high anyway, and fuck yourself up being stupid. Yes you’re gonna make gains but at what expense. Fast forward to your thirties with that I’m invincible attitude which we all have at one point and your dick is gonna be limp as fuck. You really want to stick a needle in your dick to get it hard? Better not make a mistake.

Btw I’m 39 and I’ve been juicing now for 20 fucking years. The first 10/15 years I knew nothing but bullshit. I’ve made more gains in the last 5 years than I did the first 15 just by listening to the guys here. Not some YouTube whatever.

At 17 you’re gonna make gains too without the drugs. If you’re not then that’s probably on you. Diet especially. Build a great base. Then if you want to introduce drugs have at it. Or don’t. I don’t care either way but if you fuck up at first your future wife may not be interested in finger fucking the rest of her life. Just saying.

 

[Roidmaxxer]

Op I played sports as well. I started juicing at 19. You’re obviously gonna do it regardless what everyone here says so go ahead. Jack up your test, which is probably still pretty high anyway, and fuck yourself up being stupid. Yes you’re gonna make gains but at what expense. Fast forward to your thirties with that I’m invincible attitude which we all have at one point and your dick is gonna be limp as fuck. You really want to stick a needle in your dick to get it hard? Better not make a mistake.

Btw I’m 39 and I’ve been juicing now for 20 fucking years. The first 10/15 years I knew nothing but bullshit. I’ve made more gains in the last 5 years than I did the first 15 just by listening to the guys here. Not some YouTube whatever.

At 17 you’re gonna make gains too without the drugs. If you’re not then that’s probably on you. Diet especially. Build a great base. Then if you want to introduce drugs have at it. Or don’t. I don’t care either way but if you fuck up at first your future wife may not be interested in finger fucking the rest of her life. Just saying.

Do you know what a pct is. 250mg of test is very modest and im not some retard young kid who doesn’t know about hpta and LH and FSH. I know they can get restored, may take some time but I’m pretty sure it can. Everyone fear mongering being shutdown when it can be easily mitagated

 

[Big_Jimmy434]

Do you know what a pct is. 250mg of test is very modest and im not some retard young kid who doesn’t know about hpta and LH and FSH. I know they can get restored, may take some time but I’m pretty sure it can. Everyone fear mongering being shutdown when it can be easily mitagated

I'm confused. If you think that you have all the answers, why did you come here with questions?

 

[Roidmaxxer]

I'm confused. If you think that you have all the answers, why did you come here with questions?

i obviously have more to learn. I’m not so ignorant that I don’t want to learn of others. People on here have much more experience than me.

 

[Big_Jimmy434]

i obviously have more to learn. I’m not so ignorant that I don’t want to learn of others. People on here have much more experience than me.

But that attitude isn't being displayed in your comments. The people with more experience are giving you the truth, but you have continually argued with them with a condescending attitude as though you have more knowledge and experience than they do. They do have more knowledge, they do have more experience but yet you continually ignore their advice. Just because you dont like the truth doesn't make it less true. So again I'll ask, what is it that you came here for?

 

[Oran Juice Jones]

Do you know what a pct is. 250mg of test is very modest and im not some retard young kid who doesn’t know about hpta and LH and FSH. I know they can get restored, may take some time but I’m pretty sure it can. Everyone fear mongering being shutdown when it can be easily mitagated

If you know everything, why post? Just fucking do what you want to do. If you’re such an adult, do what you want and deal with your decisions like a man. These dudes actually care to try and steer you away from being a jackass, but you hell bent on it. So just do it and close this thread. Don’t come back complaining later either.


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[liverpool_96]

i obviously have more to learn. I’m not so ignorant that I don’t want to learn of others. People on here have much more experience than me.

I think getting bloods done is very important, don't think it's been mentioned yet.

if you get bunk or underdosed gear, running that at 250mg-300mg per week may actually diminish your testosterone levels.

 

[Glycomann]

I current weigh 70kg. Been lifting since I was 13. I run Arnold split and chose mainly stable machine exercises. I consume roughly 160-180g of protein a day and I play rugby

My advice is to stay the course. Add 5 basic size and strength lifts to your routine: Deadlifts, Squats, Bench press, Military press from the rack, power cleans. Those will tax your body and develop thickness, width and strength. Do those and in a year you will be stronger than most of your contemporaries in a year. you need to build that base of strength before even considering PEDs. AAS and the like are performance enhancers. You first need that base to enhance.

 

[Big_Jimmy434]

I'm going to offer you some guidance without fear and without disrespect. If you have fitness goals that you want to achieve, you are in the right place. There is a wealth of knowledge and experience here that you have direct access to. Now, what you should do is this. Whether you will or not depends on how reckless or dedicated that you want to be.

1. Go to the Unsponsored Log board and start a Log. Tell everyone about yourself, your stats, your goals, your workouts, your diet, etc. Log your workouts. Log your meals.

You will get a ton of information and people will guide you everyday and not just once. You will reach your goals, and you can do it safely, and you can do it quicker than you would trying to figure it out on your own. They will help you exceed your own expectations. We have some of the best coaches that you'll find and they will help you. Everyone will. They will direct you around all of the bad decisions that we had to learn about the hard way. If you came here thinking everyone is just juice heads and drug pushers, you are completely wrong. ASF is about health AND fitness. People here dont just care about muscles, they care about health, and they want to help other people to be healthy; not just swole. Being swole doesnt matter if you die at 30 years old.

You'll have to forgive my buddies, but these are grown men, and although their message is truthful, their delivery is often down the barrel of a cannon. They're not real big on soft deliveries around here. They will kick you in the teeth very directly, very honestly, and sometimes brutally. It doesn't mean that they are being disrespectful, it just means they want you to get the message clearly. If you want a soft, coddled, and gentle "coaching," then this may not be the place for you.

Thats honest, respectful, and striaght forward guidance. You came here and put your trust in strangers to help you, so trust me on this one. It's up to you where you go from here.

Good Luck.

 

[Roidmaxxer]

I think getting bloods done is very important, don't think it's been mentioned yet.

if you get bunk or underdosed gear, running that at 250mg-300mg per week may actually diminish your testosterone levels.

I got my bloods done recently and I’m at 860ng/dl. I’m planning on when I’m older to run trt for life. But I’m only gonna do one cycle now then not touch it for a few years

 

[Roidmaxxer]

I'm going to offer you some guidance without fear and without disrespect. If you have fitness goals that you want to achieve, you are in the right place. There is a wealth of knowledge and experience here that you have direct access to. Now, what you should do is this. Whether you will or not depends on how reckless or dedicated that you want to be.

1. Go to the Unsponsored Log board and start a Log. Tell everyone about yourself, your stats, your goals, your workouts, your diet, etc. Log your workouts. Log your meals.

You will get a ton of information and people will guide you everyday and not just once. You will reach your goals, and you can do it safely, and you can do it quicker than you would trying to figure it out on your own. They will help you exceed your own expectations. We have some of the best coaches that you'll find and they will help you. Everyone will. They will direct you around all of the bad decisions that we had to learn about the hard way. If you came here thinking everyone is just juice heads and drug pushers, you are completely wrong. ASF is about health AND fitness. People here dont just care about muscles, they care about health, and they want to help other people to be healthy; not just swole. Being swole doesnt matter if you die at 30 years old.

You'll have to forgive my buddies, but these are grown men, and although their message is truthful, their delivery is often down the barrel of a cannon. They're not real big on soft deliveries around here. They will kick you in the teeth very directly, very honestly, and sometimes brutally. It doesn't mean that they are being disrespectful, it just means they want you to get the message clearly. If you want a soft, coddled, and gentle "coaching," then this may not be the place for you.

Thats honest, respectful, and striaght forward guidance. You came here and put your trust in strangers to help you, so trust me on this one. It's up to you where you go from here.

Good Luck.

Thanks bro I appreciate. I understand everyone’s worries but I’m not dumb. I’ve weighed out the pros and cons and came to a decision. I came here to seek guidance but I guess this isn’t the place. Maybe I’ll try somewhere else. I am just seeing knowledge because I know I don’t know everything

 

[Roidmaxxer]

But that attitude isn't being displayed in your comments. The people with more experience are giving you the truth, but you have continually argued with them with a condescending attitude as though you have more knowledge and experience than they do. They do have more knowledge, they do have more experience but yet you continually ignore their advice. Just because you dont like the truth doesn't make it less true. So again I'll ask, what is it that you came here for?

I’m pretty set on what I’m doing. Nothings gonna change. I just thought to see guidance from experienced users

 

[Big_Jimmy434]

I came here to seek guidance

Bro, No you didn't. You came for validation. You came for everyone to tell you that your decision was great. You're awesome. Great Job, Timmy. You're so perfect. That's a good boy. You came here for a pat on the back and a big hug and you didn't get it.

You recieved "guidance." A ton of guidance, but because it didnt agree with your thinking, you've disregarded every ounce of it, but the guidance you recieved was based on years of experience and your "knowledge" is based on...hell, I dont even know.

Good luck to you sir.

I'll depart this thread with the validation that you came for. Good job, Timmy. Keep it up!

I'm out.

 

[AR-15]

I’m pretty set on what I’m doing. Nothings gonna change. I just thought to see guidance from experienced users

You did get guidance. You’re choosing not to listen because it doesn’t line up with what you want to hear. You do you big fella.

You say you have knowledge and that’s actually refreshing but you’re not willing to listen to guys that have been through it. They all know what they are talking about.

Im not the smartest guy in the room but if I was 17/18 and 50 dudes with a combined like1000 yrs of experience told me something I’d kinda think about listening.

 

[FearsomeCOR]

3/10 I’d say

 

[Cypher]

Thanks bro I appreciate. I understand everyone’s worries but I’m not dumb. I’ve weighed out the pros and cons and came to a decision. I came here to seek guidance but I guess this isn’t the place.

No, this is the place—but flexing your “intelligence” doesn’t land when it’s clear you’re just repeating whatever you picked up from TikTok, YouTube, or ChatGPT. You’re 17; lack of critical thinking comes with the territory.

The first sign of being intelligent and self-controlled is not seeking validation. You fail at that.

Come back when you have actual life experience and have the actual intellect and maturity to run AAS.

 

[Cypher]

I’m pretty set on what I’m doing. Nothings gonna change. I just thought to see guidance from experienced users

 

[Roidmaxxer]

Bro, No you didn't. You came for validation. You came for everyone to tell you that your decision was great. You're awesome. Great Job, Timmy. You're so perfect. That's a good boy. You came here for a pat on the back and a big hug and you didn't get it.

You recieved "guidance." A ton of guidance, but because it didnt agree with your thinking, you've disregarded every ounce of it, but the guidance you recieved was based on years of experience and your "knowledge" is based on...hell, I dont even know.

Good luck to you sir.

I'll depart this thread with the validation that you came for. Good job, Timmy. Keep it up!

I'm out.

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Why would I care what a bunch of old gearheads think about my decisions.This is an anonymous forum. If I really was seeking validation I wouldn’t have posted on here and would have gone to TikTok. I genuinely just wanted tips

 

[Roidmaxxer]

No, this is the place—but flexing your “intelligence” doesn’t land when it’s clear you’re just repeating whatever you picked up from TikTok, YouTube, or ChatGPT. You’re 17; lack of critical thinking comes with the territory.

The first sign of being intelligent and self-controlled is not seeking validation. You fail at that.

Come back when you have actual life experience and have the actual intellect and maturity to run AAS.

Please tell me what kind of life experience is needed to run gear. How will sometime attain life experience on gear without being on gear. That’s like asking someone who’s never whistled to whistle.

 

[rawbuilt]

BANNED... age limit to join forums is 18

 

[Cypher]

Why would I care what a bunch of old gearheads think about my decisions.This is an anonymous forum. If I really was seeking validation I wouldn’t have posted on here and would have gone to TikTok. I genuinely just wanted tips

Please tell me what kind of life experience is needed to run gear. How will sometime attain life experience on gear without being on gear. That’s like asking someone who’s never whistled to whistle.

Glad that you're putting chatgpt to use.

 

[Big_Jimmy434]

@GYMnTONIC We've been respectful of the new rules but I vote to move this one to the pit so we can better communicate with this one.

All in Favor.

 

[Cypher]