Primo E? Can it help?

[Learningtopump]

So I am finishing up a really smooth couple of months of Test, NPP and Mast and will be finishing up this meet prep with a few weeks of anavar before a bench press meet I'm doing. Strength is back to where it was before the shit hit the fan, I'm going to be a lot further along than I thought for this meet. I was hoping for a 180-182.5 but I'm hitting that in the gym after my working sets as a finisher so 190-195, 200 would fucking be awesome but let's not get ahead of ourselves. So the test is run at 500 a week, NPP at 200 a week for my old as fuck joints, less than that and I'm crying on hypertrophy days, more and I'm a big bag of mostly water --- bonus points if you know where that line is from.--- The Mast is at 200 a week as a mild boost with water\E2 reduction. All of this is helping to keep me from packing on a shit ton of weight so I can say under class and still gain strength. I'm having zero sides and bloods are all good, fucking scary for as old as I am and what I'm taking but I'm not gonna complain.

So to my question, would my prep for my next meet benefit from 12-15 weeks or so of 3-500 mg of primo in place of the mast, for strength gain/maintain in a deficit? I'm really going to try and drop a weight class for my next meet, not sure when it will be, most likely in Aug-Nov range and might end up being a national meet that I would need to qualify for at the lower weight. Qualifying strength will not be a problem, hitting weight will -- I love to eat!! Especially during a strength cycle. So I guess that could have been asked in 2 or 3 lines, but then that wouldn't be me.
Or am I misunderstanding primo?

 

[Glycomann]

I don't understand. Are you benching 185 as a max?

 

[Learningtopump]

I don't understand. Are you benching 185 as a max?

Yes. Well that all I'm putting on right now. I'm sure 190 would go.

 

[BBruce]

I don't understand. Are you benching 185 as a max?

KG

 

[FearsomeCOR]

Yes primo will help gain/maintain strength in a deficit

 

[MrWhisper]

What weight class are you trying to make with the cut?

 

[Learningtopump]

What weight class are you trying to make with the cut?

So right now I'm in the 110/242 class, or hope to be by weigh in. I'm at 111.1/245 while holding a bit of water so not a problem dropping a k. I want to move to the 100/220 class so a drop of 23 pounds over 8 months. Best case would be maintaining strength, but I'd be OK with a slight loss to drop down in weight. I had talked with @Meetketchup a bit and I might just have to see if he has an opening.

 

[Learningtopump]

KG

I don't understand. Are you benching 185 as a max?

I should have been more specific. 185 doesn't sound like its really worth it, but as an old broken fucker 400+ pounds isn't that bad a bench. My max onstage was a 197.5/435.5 in the 140/308 class, max bench in the 125/275 was 190/419, max in the 110/242 is 190.5/420 all raw. Gym bench max is 200/440 Equipped on stage 610, in the gym 775 before disaster struck!

 

[Glycomann]

I should have been more specific. 185 doesn't sound like its really worth it, but as an old broken fucker 400+ pounds isn't that bad a bench. My max onstage was a 197.5/435.5 in the 140/308 class, max bench in the 125/275 was 190/419, max in the 110/242 is 190.5/420 all raw. Gym bench max is 200/440 Equipped on stage 610, in the gym 775 before disaster struck!

That makes a lot more sense. You are strong!

 

[Learningtopump]

That makes a lot more sense. You are strong!

Well, I'm trying to get there, it's a process. And since the overlords are not ready for me to ascend to the next level of being and have sequestered me on this level for a bit longer I figure what the fuck. I'm playing with house money now, go for broke!

 

[BBruce]

I like Primo but it takes awhile for it to kick in so plan ahead of time. I did a couple of my strongest lift on Test/Primo and Tbol.

 

[Learningtopump]

I like Primo but it takes awhile for it to kick in so plan ahead of time. I did a couple of my strongest lift on Test/Primo and Tbol.

I was planning on a 12-18 week cycle depending on timing and injection volume. I don't hear a lot about its use, everyone talks about d and var and tren. I'm trying to stay on the safer side but not to safe if you know what I mean.

 

[celrin321]

How much test are you running? In terms of starting dose, taking a primo dose of half your test will be conservative and guarantee you don't accidentally fuck your e2. Then you can bump it up from there depending on bloodwork and how you feel. If you're running NPP as well you could probably start at 3:2 test/primo or 1:1. I don't know much about powerlifting, but at 1:1 it might be a little too effective at controlling estrogen, which is fine from a bodybuilding standpoint but Im guessing in PL you want a little extra water on you and the joints always well lubricated when you are pushing hard in training.

IMO primo is a little bit better at putting on muscle than mast. Strength wise I'd say similar effects. At a dose of 300-500 primo i'd expect moderate gains in lean tissue and strength.

In terms of your goals for staying healthy I'd say that's where primo really shines. Low to moderate doses can be ran for a long time (18 weeks is no problem) and shouldn't really touch your bloodwork, or atleast for me it never touches my bloodwork, and it gives you a little bit of a longer runway to be less responsible with other harsher compounds

 

[Learningtopump]

How much test are you running? In terms of starting dose, taking a primo dose of half your test will be conservative and guarantee you don't accidentally fuck your e2. Then you can bump it up from there depending on bloodwork and how you feel. If you're running NPP as well you could probably start at 3:2 test/primo or 1:1. I don't know much about powerlifting, but at 1:1 it might be a little too effective at controlling estrogen, which is fine from a bodybuilding standpoint but Im guessing in PL you want a little extra water on you and the joints always well lubricated when you are pushing hard in training.

IMO primo is a little bit better at putting on muscle than mast. Strength wise I'd say similar effects. At a dose of 300-500 primo i'd expect moderate gains in lean tissue and strength.

In terms of your goals for staying healthy I'd say that's where primo really shines. Low to moderate doses can be ran for a long time (18 weeks is no problem) and shouldn't really touch your bloodwork, or atleast for me it never touches my bloodwork, and it gives you a little bit of a longer runway to be less responsible with other harsher compounds

Test is at 500 a week during prep. And yes I'm much better with higher E2 than lower so that's a concern. I noticed a difference when starting the mast and bumped up the NPP to counter, it helped. Last E2 was 38 but I feel much better in the 45+ range. I can't really say that I've had anything negative to report even when it was in teh upper 50s.

 

[BBruce]

Test is at 500 a week during prep. And yes I'm much better with higher E2 than lower so that's a concern. I noticed a difference when starting the mast and bumped up the NPP to counter, it helped. Last E2 was 38 but I feel much better in the 45+ range. I can't really say that I've had anything negative to report even when it was in teh upper 50s.

I know a lot ppl are scared that Primo is going to make their estro “crash” but I ran 400/400-600/600 Test/Primo without crashing anything, I feel great the whole time. It’s by far my favorite stack and I always run it 1:1.

 

[Jrabbit82]

I know a lot ppl are scared that Primo is going to make their estro “crash” but I ran 400/400-600/600 Test/Primo without crashing anything, I feel great the whole time. It’s by far my favorite stack and I always run it 1:1.

i’m currently at this weekly (EOD pin)
525mg Test Cyp
410mg Primo E
150mg NPP
5iu HGH (working up to 6iu)

Will get bloods in 3-4 weeks (6 week mark) Hoping I’ll be a 1:1 Test/Primo type. Maybe even lower the test some, hopefully.

 

[BBruce]

i’m currently at this weekly (EOD pin)
525mg Test Cyp
410mg Primo E
150mg NPP
5iu HGH (working up to 6iu)

Will get bloods in 3-4 weeks (6 week mark) Hoping I’ll be a 1:1 Test/Primo type. Maybe even lower the test some, hopefully.

Idk how you do with NPP but I have to use extra AI on any Nandrolone cycle. That cycle you just posted would have me at 1mg Adex 2-3x week. Hopefully it works out great for you.

 

[Bolan]

NPP but I have to use extra AI on any Nandrolone cycle.

that's gotta suck..... I can run NPP @ 600mg W/K with no issues.
Its just damn HGH that raises my prolactin.

 

[Hablooblah]

I should have been more specific. 185 doesn't sound like its really worth it, but as an old broken fucker 400+ pounds isn't that bad a bench. My max onstage was a 197.5/435.5 in the 140/308 class, max bench in the 125/275 was 190/419, max in the 110/242 is 190.5/420 all raw. Gym bench max is 200/440 Equipped on stage 610, in the gym 775 before disaster struck!

Strong af bro

 

[Algz]

that's gotta suck..... I can run NPP @ 600mg W/K with no issues.
Its just damn HGH that raises my prolactin.

Is that somehow though a dopamine pathway unrelated to high E2 pushing it..? I’ve heard of Hgh gyno is that possibly related to prolactin/ progesterone?

I’m getting those tested specifically for NPP cycle but don’t want HGH messing up my numbers lol

 

[Hablooblah]

Is that somehow though a dopamine pathway unrelated to high E2 pushing it..? I’ve heard of Hgh gyno is that possibly related to prolactin/ progesterone?

I’m getting those tested specifically for NPP cycle but don’t want HGH messing up my numbers lol

Good question...could be IGF1 stimulating growth of the breast tissue, or possibly making someone with borderline e2 more sensitive causing puffiness etc. Although Ive never heard of hgh increasing prolactin but Bolan said it so it must be a thing. My prolactin runs high even without a 19nor so maybe I just figured out why?...

 

[Bolan]

Is that somehow though a dopamine pathway unrelated to high E2 pushing it..? I’ve heard of Hgh gyno is that possibly related to prolactin/ progesterone?

I’m getting those tested specifically for NPP cycle but don’t want HGH messing up my numbers lol

I'm one of the unlucky ones, GH cranks my prolactin.. I have to run
a small dose of Caber

 

[Bolan]

Good question...could be IGF1 stimulating growth of the breast tissue, or possibly making someone with borderline e2 more sensitive causing puffiness etc. Although Ive never heard of hgh increasing prolactin but Bolan said it so it must be a thing. My prolactin runs high even without a 19nor so maybe I just figured out why?...

Took me years to figure it out with constant blood tests.

 

[Learningtopump]

Strong af bro

Thanks! I'm not sure how much longer I'll be able to keep this up, hoping to get into M3s and take a couple weight class records in the 4 feds I compete in. Hopefully that will be enough and I can get into some hypertrophy work and drop 50 pounds or so and just look good. Its like a fucking illness. LOL

 

[Algz]

Good question...could be IGF1 stimulating growth of the breast tissue, or possibly making someone with borderline e2 more sensitive causing puffiness etc. Although Ive never heard of hgh increasing prolactin but Bolan said it so it must be a thing. My prolactin runs high even without a 19nor so maybe I just figured out why?...

Good question...could be IGF1 stimulating growth of the breast tissue, or possibly making someone with borderline e2 more sensitive causing puffiness etc. Although Ive never heard of hgh increasing prolactin but Bolan said it so it must be a thing. My prolactin runs high even without a 19nor so maybe I just figured out why?...

We’ll I learn something new everyday. Apparently the two are similar in structure and share release traits and mechanics and possibly HGH can bind where prolactin should.. GHRPs ect can cause prolactin spikes or something to that effect also.. over my head but certainly something I didn’t consider.. I took tesamorlin, IPA, then HGH before AAS.. never once considered a contradiction before using a low dose NPP..

 

[Hablooblah]

Took me years to figure it out with constant blood tests.

Im gonna drop from 7 to 3 ius and see if it changes next bloodwork in 4 weeks. My baselin runs 16-19 the past couple years or so.( lower last cycle with heavy NPP/Caber use it was 9-11) I never once thought GH was responsible for the increased baseline prolactin.

 

[Glycomann]

that's gotta suck..... I can run NPP @ 600mg W/K with no issues.
Its just damn HGH that raises my prolactin.

I don't run a lot of shit but I am balanced with 300 test, 225 Primo and 100 nandrolone where my E2 last timer was 38. Any lower than that and my joints feel like shit. Which means I can probably up the test at that dose.

 

[BBruce]

that's gotta suck..... I can run NPP @ 600mg W/K with no issues.
Its just damn HGH that raises my prolactin.

Yeah I’m a little sad that I can’t enjoy Deca/NPP like others…