Primo and Anavar on a cut

[Machforce1]

Anybody ran these two together with a test base during a cut? Or is it dumb/overkill to run two DHTs at the same time? I ran some Var (30 mg/day) with test for about a month and it had a really nice leaning out effect. Switched the Var for some Primo and am not getting the same leaning effect even when in a deficit. Would rather run Var, but it’s an oral and everyone says you’ll grow a third arm running orals too long. Thought Gentlemen?

 

[Meetketchup]

How lean are you? And how far into a the cut?

 

[Machforce1]

Six weeks into it. One month on Var/test and switched the Var for Primo just to not stay on an oral too long. Started at 20% and am down to around 14%. Can actually see my abs for the first time in forever. The Var worked as advertised in that I didn’t lose any strength and maintained all my lean mass, even in a deficit. Plus it just gives you a look that makes you look like an actual bodybuilder. Love the stuff. Primo, at least for me, is not having the same effect, nor did I expect it to. Just curious if I can run the two together or is it dumb/overkill/wasteful to do so.

 

[Meetketchup]

The answer is yes, they can be ran at the same time, but the real question is "when" they should be used together. You would tend to run both under 8-10% bf when muscle loss becomes an issue. At 12-20% bodyfat you have enough fat to prevent that unless you are in a ridiculous caloric deficit.

I wouldn't even run anavar unless under 10% No need to put stress on your organs when you can just diet, do cardio and add primo or mast. Don't even need the gear to be honest.

 

[Astro95]

It’s not over kill. Probably two of the safest compounds.

 

[BBruce]

It’s pretty common that the fat loss stops when cutting, but you shouldn’t have used anything from 20% to 14% since that easy and you could have lost that from diet/training alone. When it’s hard it’s time to use drugs to push you further.

But since you already “wasted” your drugs on the easy part you have to double up now when it gets hard. Either way, get a better diet.

 

[Wardamn]

It’s pretty common that the fat loss stops when cutting, but you shouldn’t have used anything from 20% to 14% since that easy and you could have lost that from diet/training alone. When it’s hard it’s time to use drugs to push you further.

But since you already “wasted” your drugs on the easy part you have to double up now when it gets hard. Either way, get a better diet.

You don't have to double drugs. Just cut calories and move more.

 

[BBruce]

You don't have to double drugs. Just cut calories and move more.

Sure, that’s why I said “get a better diet” but if not, he have to raise the drug amount if still expect results.

 

[Glycomann]

No, it's awesome combo. Start out relatively lean and eat clean with lots of lean protein and it is a transformative cycle, at least for me.

 

[SBG22]

You can always come back to the var after a break. Seems that a lot of guys run var longer than 4 weeks with few issues

 

[Wiseguy]

I like the combo during the cutting phase. It comes down to diet and I know everyone repeats this 1000 times. Primo will help with the muscle loss if you are lean enough and keep the bellies full. Also, what we think our body % is and what actually it is often off. Under 15% is pretty lean, under 10 not to many people and those single digits stage time. Good luck brother.

 

[Meetketchup]

I like the combo during the cutting phase. It comes down to diet and I know everyone repeats this 1000 times. Primo will help with the muscle loss if you are lean enough and keep the bellies full. Also, what we think our body % is and what actually it is often off. Under 15% is pretty lean, under 10 not to many people and those single digits stage time. Good luck brother.

Yeah, my point was if you're in the mid to high teens there is nothing anavar will give you that primo won't, so why put the extra stress on the liver. Save the var for when you are super lean and needed.

 

[Augustine5I]

Yeah, my point was if you're in the mid to high teens there is nothing anavar will give you that primo won't, so why put the extra stress on the liver. Save the var for when you are super lean and needed.

Agree.

Maybe using fat burner like eca stack would have been more appropriate.

 

[Meetketchup]

Agree.

Maybe using fat burner like eca stack would have been more appropriate.

Even fat burners aren't necessarily needed with that amount of bodyfat. Dropping weight is rather easy until you get sub 10%

To each his own though!

 

[Glycomann]

I think there is a disconnect in the community. 2 different goals. People on one hand are happy to not get on stage and going from 17% to 11% from April to June is the push. In the other camp are BBing competitors that hang at 12% before the next push to the stage. My advice has always been for free so take that into account. Maybe when I finally retire I will coach-up and monetize myself.

 

[Wiseguy]

Yeah, my point was if you're in the mid to high teens there is nothing anavar will give you that primo won't, so why put the extra stress on the liver. Save the var for when you are super lean and needed.

Understood.

 

[Machforce1]

I think there is a disconnect in the community. 2 different goals. People on one hand are happy to not get on stage and going from 17% to 11% from April to June is the push. In the other camp are BBing competitors that hang at 12% before the next push to the stage. My advice has always been for free so take that into account. Maybe when I finally retire I will coach-up and monetize myself.

You can be my coach anytime sir! I’m freaking stoked to be hovering around 14%, seeing my abs for the first time in decades. Have zero desire to ever step on stage, but have the utmost respect for those that do because it isn’t easy at all.

 

[SBG22]

I think people are looking for advantages to expedite whatever their goals are and I don’t blame them. A great deal of success comes from the mindset and if taking something extra helps your mindset snd determination and you accept the risk then it’s a personal choice and most guys just want solid advice on compounds.

 

[Meetketchup]

I’m freaking stoked to be hovering around 14%, seeing my abs for the first time in decades.

Good for you man! Keep it rollin'.

Maybe throw up a pic?

 

[Glycomann]

You can be my coach anytime sir! I’m freaking stoked to be hovering around 14%, seeing my abs for the first time in decades. Have zero desire to ever step on stage, but have the utmost respect for those that do because it isn’t easy at all.

No it isn't easy at all and a massive accomplishment for anyone that gets to that level of conditioning regardless of size. I am not a coach, just a guy with a lot of experience, a couple of advanced degrees, a natural curiosity, a knack for training, diet, God given aptitude for science, and a love for the life style. That's it really.

 

[unatiq13]

The answer is yes, they can be ran at the same time, but the real question is "when" they should be used together. You would tend to run both under 8-10% bf when muscle loss becomes an issue. At 12-20% bodyfat you have enough fat to prevent that unless you are in a ridiculous caloric deficit.

I wouldn't even run anavar unless under 10% No need to put stress on your organs when you can just diet, do cardio and add primo or mast. Don't even need the gear to be honest.

Can you explain further? I’m 24% bf and ran test/var 50 a day. Seemed to work.

I’m curious for my next cutting cycle should run same as before but you suggested primo/mast? Is that a better option and if so why? Would I see better fat loss results while maintaining or gaining muscle?

I’m good with my diet and fitness.


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[Astro95]

Can you explain further? I’m 24% bf and ran test/var 50 a day. Seemed to work.

I’m curious for my next cutting cycle should run same as before but you suggested primo/mast? Is that a better option and if so why? Would I see better fat loss results while maintaining or gaining muscle?

I’m good with my diet and fitness.


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Oh boy

 

[Meetketchup]

Can you explain further? I’m 24% bf and ran test/var 50 a day. Seemed to work.

I’m curious for my next cutting cycle should run same as before but you suggested primo/mast? Is that a better option and if so why? Would I see better fat loss results while maintaining or gaining muscle?

I’m good with my diet and fitness.


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You are not going to lose muscle at 24% bodyfat. If you were good with your diet and fitness you would have lower bodyfat. Losing weight is much easier than gaining muscle especially at those levels. Nutrition, training, cardio and consistency is all you need. Unless you have low test and are on trt you don't need steroids atm. Especially not an oral. If you aren't going to listen to this advice than just use test and nothing else.

Var/mast/etc aren't fat burners.

 

[Glycomann]

Can you explain further? I’m 24% bf and ran test/var 50 a day. Seemed to work.

I’m curious for my next cutting cycle should run same as before but you suggested primo/mast? Is that a better option and if so why? Would I see better fat loss results while maintaining or gaining muscle?

I’m good with my diet and fitness.


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Dang, that's on the high end. If it were me I would not be thinking cycle. I would be on a TRT and getting the diet and training in line and dropping about 7-8% off. Steroids are not diet drugs. They help partition nutrients but that's really it. This might be controversial but look at the image. See how the navel has a little lip at the top in this stock photo? That to me is the sign of being lean enough to start a cycle. If you don't see that diet down more.

 

[BBruce]

I’m good with my diet and fitness.

This and 24% bf do not go together