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Possible to pin Sust/Test SubQ?

iProbeU

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Hey all, just started pinning twice weekly with sustanon. Issue is that the PIP is insane. Started off with ventro glutes week 1 but I couldn't walk for like 2-3 days after each pin it was so sore. I switched to my delts for week 2, and so far it's better, I mean I can walk comfortably now, but the pain is still there and pretty bad for a few days. I realize I'm probably doing something wrong somehow, or just have virgin muscles, not sure, but any advice would be appreciated. My main question is, can I just pin SubQ instead of IM to avoid the PIP? I used to take Xyosted, which is an auto injector of Test E that you pin SubQ, but I don't have access to that atm and it's also not nearly enough for me.

Here's what I'm doing right now for IM.
20g for drawing
25g 1" for injecting

My second question is, if I can pin SubQ to avoid the PIP, do I use the above combination? Or can I use these 29g 0.5" insulin syringes I use to pin my peptides that I have on hand?
 
iProbeU said:
Hey all, just started pinning twice weekly with sustanon. Issue is that the PIP is insane. Started off with ventro glutes week 1 but I couldn't walk for like 2-3 days after each pin it was so sore. I switched to my delts for week 2, and so far it's better, I mean I can walk comfortably now, but the pain is still there and pretty bad for a few days. I realize I'm probably doing something wrong somehow, or just have virgin muscles, not sure, but any advice would be appreciated. My main question is, can I just pin SubQ instead of IM to avoid the PIP? I used to take Xyosted, which is an auto injector of Test E that you pin SubQ, but I don't have access to that atm and it's also not nearly enough for me.

Here's what I'm doing right now for IM.
20g for drawing
25g 1" for injecting

My second question is, if I can pin SubQ to avoid the PIP, do I use the above combination? Or can I use these 29g 0.5" insulin syringes I use to pin my peptides that I have on hand?
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I pin Sust Ed or Eod depending, yes it has minor PIP from the prop and
I find its more PIPpy when its in MCT oil but like I said its nothing.

Are you pinning into virgin muscles?

Sub-q Test sucks for me... I'm lean enough that when I shot it into sub-Q
I had visible lumps.
 
yeah it's my first time pinning so my muscles are virgin, does it get less painful overtime? but if I can do it it subq I'd do it, just curious what everyone else's experiences were doing it that way since my bottles says IM injections only on it
 
iProbeU said:
yeah it's my first time pinning so my muscles are virgin, does it get less painful overtime? but if I can do it it subq I'd do it, just curious what everyone else's experiences were doing it that way since my bottles says IM injections only on it
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Yes, Virgin muscles hurt.
Start with Glutes for a while.
 
Yes you can absolutely pin test subq. Just don’t pin over 1/2 cc at a time or you will get a sore ass red lump that hangs around for awhile. It absorbs more slowly, but blood levels of test tend to be way more stable when pinned Subq. Also pinning subq doesn’t cause as large of an increase in hematocrit and estrogen as IM. Some guys love it (me) and some don’t. Find what works for you man.
 
Machforce1 said:
Yes you can absolutely pin test subq. Just don’t pin over 1/2 cc at a time or you will get a sore ass red lump that hangs around for awhile. It absorbs more slowly, but blood levels of test tend to be way more stable when pinned Subq. Also pinning subq doesn’t cause as large of an increase in hematocrit and estrogen as IM. Some guys love it (me) and some don’t. Find what works for you man.
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Yeah, I've been doing 0.3ml as that's 75mg for TRT so should be fine.

FearsomeCOR said:
You can pin anything subq. I wouldn’t though.
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Why not brotherman?
 
Update for anyone who cares or comes across this in a search:

I have tried it SubQ - backloaded an insulin syringe, prob did the backloading wrong because I had some air in the syringe when I injected. Stung like a bitch immediately afterward, and was more painful than the IM, and hurt for about an hour. Got a lump, but now the pain isn't too bad. This method might be more manageable than having my entire muscle being sore for 3 days, but I'll try delts again just to see if the pain persists that long again. I'm just terrified of doing it into my glutes or ventromedial glutes again because being unable to walk normally fucking sucks.
 
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iProbeU said:
Update for anyone who cares or comes across this in a search:

I have tried it SubQ - backloaded an insulin syringe, prob did the backloading wrong because I had some air in the syringe when I injected. Stung like a bitch immediately afterward, and was more painful than the IM, and hurt for about an hour. Got a lump, but now the pain isn't too bad. This method might be more manageable than having my entire muscle being sore for 3 days, but I'll try delts again just to see if the pain persists that long again. I'm just terrified of doing it into my glutes or ventromedial glutes again because being unable to walk normally fucking sucks.
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Are you pinning around the abdomen? It can go in the ass fat and you hardly even feel it.
 
Machforce1 said:
Are you pinning around the abdomen? It can go in the ass fat and you hardly even feel it.
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Yeah I'm doing ab fat. And idk I'd be worried I wouldn't be able to sit down comfortably for a few hours if I did that though.
 
I did 1/3 c of Test E in my love handle and it was insane. It blew up like a python wrapping around my waist. Bright red hot and now it’s purple about 1 month later. I was trying to drain it and kept having to breakdown the lump in my tissues manually. Terrible experience. I cooked all my oils for a for about 45 seconds & no more sub Q or pain. That was spooky. I had a love handle twice the size of my love handle hanging off my love handle lol
 
Update for anyone who comes across this thread later.

Yes it worked, stung like hell for an about an hour, but I've had a lump there for more than a week that is only just now starting to go away.

Alternated delts more since then, much less pain in them, and they're never sore by the time I alternate to the next one for the next shot when doing E3Ds.

Would have to agree that subq, at least with sust, is not the way.
 
Still got a fucking lump on my belly. Been almost three weeks and it's only gone down a small amount. I only pinned .3ml there. Any else deal with this before? The hell should I do?
 
Just learn to deal with the pip bud. It gets better, tough it out. May I ask why you decided on Sust over Cyp or E. I use E and while I have pip sometimes it’s not that crazy.


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iProbeU said:
Still got a fucking lump on my belly. Been almost three weeks and it's only gone down a small amount. I only pinned .3ml there. Any else deal with this before? The hell should I do?
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Honestly, at 3 weeks, I would have my doc check it out. Is it just a bump or is there a scav? You could try some hydrocortisone cream, it’s a topical steroid that should reduce the inflammation. 3 weeks is a long time.

I go back and forth between what’s really IM and SubQ. And reading these forums, I think there’s a lot more people who end up pinning SubQ or at best, shallow IM.

I have Around 9% body fat (I’m super skinny, 5’8. 150lbs, ectomorph frame) and 1/2” needles,which seems to be the craze around here, will almost never hit muscle. Unless I’m going into delts, I need a 1” needle to hit a muscle.

That being said, my experience seems to vary from several others, and we all respond differently. I’ve used 1/2” needles to push 0.6ml - 1ml of test (cyp or enan or sus) SubQ.

Yes, you get a bump from the injection, that’s normal, but it should subside within an hour or two. I never even pay attention, it’s just usually gone.

The Sustanon/test in general usually takes a little longer to absorb, so I normally inject that in the glute or VG. But I’ve done a lot of belly shots in the past with no issues. Usually if I’m doing belly shot, I use a 5/16” 28g insulin pin for test, 31g 5/16” for HCG.
 
I’ve had SubQ lumps hang around for awhile as well. Unless it’s sensitive, red, warm or swollen beyond what you pinned, I’d give it some time to dissipate. But again, if you’re worried or think something is wrong, no harm in having it looked at.
 
Subq hurts worse for me. I barely notice deep IM unless its something with bite. Do shallow IM mostly so I can use slin pins. I notice that a little more. Experimented with subq and that was worse. Plus fewer places have enough fat to do it easily. IM is just straight in anywhere lean.
 
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RuBould said:
Subq hurts worse for me. I barely notice deep IM unless its something with bite. Do shallow IM mostly so I can use slin pins. I notice that a little more. Experimented with subq and that was worse. Plus fewer places have enough fat to do it easily. IM is just straight in anywhere lean.
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Where do you usually pin shallow IM?
 
Dont believe i have ever pinned oil subq
Just hit the muscle,u will get used to hit.alot of places to go IM..just dont recommend the quads..
Now the CALVES r the best..jklol
 
Jbswole40 said:
Dont believe i have ever pinned oil subq
Just hit the muscle,u will get used to hit.alot of places to go IM..just dont recommend the quads..
Now the CALVES r the best..jklol
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Calves with a 1” 21g needle! Lol..

I gotta started rotating more, just feel so awkward doing my delts myself.
 
Just switch to Cyp. Test E is known to cause PIP with some people. Sometimes it gets me, sometimes it don't. Screw pinning oil SubQ. Everybody wanna take test, nobody wanna have a lumpy belly. 🤣
 
I am currently pinning Sustanon 250 mg/mL from PSL daily subQ with zero issues. Decided to go this route to hopefully avoid elevated E2 issues and keep levels more stable.

I’m using 210 mg/week (approximately 148.3 mg/week testosterone after accounting for ester weight) in daily divided doses…so this is low volume at 0.12 mL daily. This is my base TRT level.

I draw this up and inject with the same 0.5” 31g insulin needle, so no backfill is necessary…just takes a bit of patience to draw. All injections have been administered into my left lateral glute / hip area subQ. No redness. No irritation. No PIP. No mobility issues or pain with any lifting. No real visible lumps, but I can palpate the slight thickness of the injection sites when I pinch and pull for the next injection. For context, I’m just shy of 6’ and currently weigh 200 lbs at 9.3% BF (fluctuating between 9.2-9.5% BF by Hume BodyPod measurements over the last 2 months). Granted, I have only done this daily for six weeks after switching from compounded daily testosterone cream applications, but have been happy with the subjective experience thus far.

I will be drawing a comprehensive bloodwork panel in a few days for a baseline.
 

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