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Hey guys, here's the situation -- please give me your honest opinion.

I bought and paid for 6 kits of the "pharma grade" GH. Yesterday, I received 6 kits but they did not have the dark blue tops that the pharma grade has. It had the light blue tops and imprint on the top, which are the tops used for the cheaper, GMP-grade GH. Bones has posted pics of the difference in tops in another thread. Also, since I ordered and received 6 kits of the pharma grade a couple of months ago, I know what the pharma grade tops look like. When I e-mailed Bones about this mistake, I expected him to make things right but instead I got this reply:

EIDTED! I ASKED YOU NOT TO PUBLISH MY EMAILS TO YOU!

A few hours later, he e-mailed me again, this time saying:

EIDTED! I ASKED YOU NOT TO PUBLISH MY EMAILS TO YOU!

What do you guys think? Bait and switch? Is this how Bones should be conducting business here?

In my opinion, he probably ran out of the pharma grade, sent me the GMP-grade, and is trying to make me accept the GMP-grade without any compensation. Not fair, not right.

Be careful, guys!
 
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In terms of money, how much is the difference between pharma grade and GMP?Since we are talking about pharma grade, what brand is it?
 
so your "pharma grade" is not real pharma grade. so probably there is not all this difference if not the price.
180 $ difference total. try to ask for a discount for next order
 
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IF this is the way he is going to conduct business, there will be no next order.

Thanks for your input.
 
Run them, give them a chance. I’ve never heard of anyone having a problem with bones or his gh. He could very well be telling the truth. It’s not like he isn’t responding and telling you too bad. Sounds like he is willing to work it out if you have any qualms after running them. In the end it sounds like your only option is to use and see how it goes.
 
Beachguy said:
Yes, but SHOULD that be my only option? Or should Bones do the right thing?
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Meh. Maybe I'm too easy going and give people the benefit of the doubt too easily. Given the explanation bines gave I would gladly give them a try and see how it goes. Like I said, he could very well be telling the truth.where these products originate from, all kinds of stuff happens all the time. Obviously you think he is straight up lying to you. I get it, I really do. But at the end of the day what else can you do besides try them out or sit here and go back and forth with opinions after bones gave you the option he is willing to give. Stay humble and open minded.
 
I'd run serum testing on the gh first.

If that came back good I'd run them and get igf testing done. Then I would post my experience.

If it came back bad I would ask for replacement.

Truth is, gh is always a gamble and tops mean dick really. If the source provides good gh, he provides good gh. That's that.

I do agree that him having to call and verify that the product is the same would raise a red flag though.
 
Curious what exactly do you want as a option? Refund? Discount? Replacement?

If the wrong tops were put on but the product is correct why not use them? If there was no contact and they were fucking you over I would see a issue. Just my thoughts I have had shit come in mislabeled and never had a rep BS and lie to me about the product inside. They tell me what happened I trust them and move on. Only one that ever got me was MLG.

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I thought the 'pharma grade' had black tops- Either way, I agree with Monte's advice except I would run them for a month before doing a serum test if you arent in competition mode- Try them and see what happens then get bloods if you want or you can just send them to me and I'll let you know if they are legit maybe even get bloods :o
 
BTW anyone got the links for LabsMD serum and/or igf tests? I have no idea what the costs of those tests are. I think some include serum/igf along with basic metabolic and blood panel, testosterone uncapped, estrogen and fsh, lh
 
lifter6973 said:
BTW anyone got the links for LabsMD serum and/or igf tests? I have no idea what the costs of those tests are. I think some include serum/igf along with basic metabolic and blood panel, testosterone uncapped, estrogen and fsh, lh
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I have not seen a comprehensive test with GH serum but here is the one I always get and I will add GH serum to it.

https://www.labsmd.com/tests.php?view=category_result&show=2226&category=14&search=#2226

Or you can get just IGF and GH serum only but those two combined cost $123.00, not nearly as cost effective as the combined testing in the link at $177.00.
 
Phill said:
so your "pharma grade" is not real pharma grade. so probably there is not all this difference if not the price.
180 $ difference total. try to ask for a discount for next order
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We don't specify Pharma Grade, we specify Pharma Quality which these certainly are. They've been tested at 99.72% purity with impressively low dimers.

Cheers,
Bones
 
AceLabs said:
We don't specify Pharma Grade, we specify Pharma Quality which these certainly are. They've been tested at 99.72% purity with impressively low dimers.

Cheers,
Bones
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I replied to the post in which there was talk of "pharma grade".

I was not debating what was written on the site or said by you.
 
Man this sucks this is really scary considering I just ordered two kits of the pharma quality and now not sure what I will get. Gh is always a gamble but when you make claims of 99.72% purity I would expect it to be a decent product at worst. Hopefully I get the product I paid for.
 
Since the e mails are now taken down I’m not sure what he said but I would assume he will hopefully take care of you if it is not the quality product you ordered. I totally get why your upset it does seem really sketchy at least but I guess we’ll see what happens
 
After my post here, Bones said in an email to me that he would send me the dark blue tops. Later, he changed his mind and decided to refund me the price difference between the pharma quality and the GMP ($30 per kit or $180 total). I did receive the refund and as I told him in my reply email:

If I wanted the GMP, that's what I would have bought. But, now, that's what I get. Thanks.

What Bones does not seem to understand is that even if he is the most credible guy in the world and would "never cheat anyone" as he proclaims (I have no reason to doubt this), in the end, I am not taking his word but, according to Bones, the word of a Chinese GH factory who, for no explainable reason, decided to change the tops on the pharma quality GH and make it the same as those for its cheaper GMP GH. Bones is just passing along what he heard from the factory and we are all supposed to believe whatever the factory says.

Those who claim its no big deal, go get testing done, etc. did not spend over $1000 to buy the GH. Jswole220, who did pay for 2 kits, understands my concerns as would anyone in my position.
 
Beachguy said:
After my post here, Bones said in an email to me that he would send me the dark blue tops. Later, he changed his mind and decided to refund me the price difference between the pharma quality and the GMP ($30 per kit or $180 total). I did receive the refund and as I told him in my reply email:

If I wanted the GMP, that's what I would have bought. But, now, that's what I get. Thanks.

What Bones does not seem to understand is that even if he is the most credible guy in the world and would "never cheat anyone" as he proclaims (I have no reason to doubt this), in the end, I am not taking his word but, according to Bones, the word of a Chinese GH factory who, for no explainable reason, decided to change the tops on the pharma quality GH and make it the same as those for its cheaper GMP GH. Bones is just passing along what he heard from the factory and we are all supposed to believe whatever the factory says.

Those who claim its no big deal, go get testing done, etc. did not spend over $1000 to buy the GH. Jswole220, who did pay for 2 kits, understands my concerns as would anyone in my position.
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Man this really sucks so all he is doing is sending you a product you did not want or order a product that is not as good as the one you wanted to run and all he is doing for you is sending you the difference. I really hope I get what I paid for and am so glad I decided to do a test run and not order the 10 kits I was going too.
 
Jswole220 said:
Man this really sucks so all he is doing is sending you a product you did not want or order a product that is not as good as the one you wanted to run and all he is doing for you is sending you the difference. I really hope I get what I paid for and am so glad I decided to do a test run and not order the 10 kits I was going too.
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Incorrect. He has the product he ordered now at a discounted price.

Bones
 
AceLabs said:
Incorrect. He has the product he ordered now at a discounted price.

Bones
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Yea your right bones because the guys from China wouldn’t lie about that right. Not saying I don’t trust you or I would have never ordered from you in the first place but your telling me we should really take them for there word? Cmon man seriously
 
Jswole220 said:
Yea your right bones because the guys from China wouldn’t lie about that right. Not saying I don’t trust you or I would have never ordered from you in the first place but your telling me we should really take them for there word? Cmon man seriously
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EXACTLY!! Finally, a man with some common sense and intelligence.
 
Well considering Iron Lion is china based and has been phenomenal, why not? Where do you think almost ALL the gh comes from anymore?


Also caps and labels mean fuck all anymore. Black tops were "testing" and 15ius a bottle at one point. Now I see black tops thst are shit. Jintropins are basically fakes anymore but the labels say jintropin.


I can go buy orange tops and pop them on some bottles and call them whatever the heck i want. But doesnt make it true.


You run the shit...do an HGH serum test (even though those can be faked) and compare it to previous serum tests on labs you know are legit....then run an IGF test in 6 weeks and compare that result to what you normally get on legit HGH.

If the tests are garbage then you demand new shit. If it comes back positive then dont post about it because everyone here will laugh at you and call you out for the freak out over NOTHING.
 
elit3keraed said:
Well considering Iron Lion is china based and has been phenomenal, why not? Where do you think almost ALL the gh comes from anymore?


Also caps and labels mean fuck all anymore. Black tops were "testing" and 15ius a bottle at one point. Now I see black tops thst are shit. Jintropins are basically fakes anymore but the labels say jintropin.


I can go buy orange tops and pop them on some bottles and call them whatever the heck i want. But doesnt make it true.


You run the shit...do an HGH serum test (even though those can be faked) and compare it to previous serum tests on labs you know are legit....then run an IGF test in 6 weeks and compare that result to what you normally get on legit HGH.

If the tests are garbage then you demand new shit. If it comes back positive then dont post about it because everyone here will laugh at you and call you out for the freak out over NOTHING.
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All of this^
 

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