Newbie to Forms and Need advice for Cycling and PCT.

[ARS89]

Hello Everyone.

I hope everyone is doing great and working toward accomplishing their target/goal

After reviewing all the feedback from everyone on different posts, I am a bit confused as to whether the cycle or PCT that I had done was it correct to start with. So hence came here for all your advice as to what needs to be done and if I need to correct something today and for the next cycle what should I undertake and do.

I am 33 years old, started training 2 years ago, and 3 months ago wanted to take it to the next level but didn’t have anyone to guide me or show me the path. So saw one champ on Facebook and Instagram, his content was heavily focused on steroid use, and would openly speak about it rather than considering it a taboo and would occasionally conduct live videos and answer queries of people as to what to take and what not to.

So, I approached him and asked him if I could train under him, and he would guide me to the cycle that I could do. He accepted it and made a cycle plan for me which was the following.

Tuesday - 1ml Sustanon plus 1ml Boldenone x 10 weeks (these were 250 mg each so a total of 500 mg on a weekly basis)

Thursday - 1ml Deca plus 1ml Test Cypionate x 10 weeks (these were 250 mg each so a total of 500 mg on a weekly basis)

Saturday - 1 ml Trenacetate x 10 weeks (250 mg)

2 Tablets of Dianabol 10 mg each tablet every day x 5 weeks

4 tablets of Dianabol 10mg each every day x remaining 5 weeks.

I couldn’t handle Trenacetate as my heartbeats were not stable and would feel discomfort, so only continued it for 3 weeks and stopped it as per the instructions. He did say to me that this is quite an unstable steroid we will mix it with another one to make it stable in another cycle. So I continued the whole cycle of 10 weeks as per the above without Trenacetate.

In addition to the above, there was 1 tablet of 10mg Nolvadex and 03 tablets of Liv 52 DS daily.

I did gain some lean muscle and was overall happy with the outcome but the muscle size was not so much.

PCT

After a week of the last dose, I was recommended to start the PCT. Which I am currently on.

Currently have been told to take the following on a weekly basis.

Weekly

HCG – 5,000 IU / Vial x 3 Injections
Weekly 1 injection and only do 3 injections.

I have already taken 02 injections and the last one will be due on Tuesday i.e. 13th Sep.

Daily for the next 4 weeks

1 tablet daily of Nolvadex of 10 mg
2 tablets of Proviron 25mg each daily (These make me lethargic and induce sleep like a baby) not sure why.
2 tablets daily of LIv 52 DS


I did feel my Testical size has reduced and felt but after two weeks of being on PCT, it is regaining back. There is a loss of muscle that I have felt in the last two weeks and I believe the reason for this is being off or the Crash effect as mentioned earlier by someone else on the post.

What is that I should do next in my cycle? I would wait for all of your feedback if the above was too much or something that I need to tailor for my PCT. Worried about the Leydig Cell Desensitization and testicular volume.

Thank you all in advance, please feel free to ask me the question in case I would have missed adding something or if you would need more information on something before you could advise me that I would have skipped.

 

[who1]

welcome...you took way to much gear for your first time. iam assuming its your first time. go lighter on the gear.

 

[ARS89]

I agree and I feel the same in terms of gear, that it was too much. Hence have posted the question here to advise me on what should I do.
My target is lean muscle size

 

[PositiveVibes]

Welcome

 

[rdm]

I have a few questions...

1. Are you saying you took 3x 5000IU vials for a total of 15000IU in one week? Or are you saying you split 1x 5000IU vial into 3 shots? I would personally run the HCG longer than 1 week.
2. I would drop the Proviron from your PCT. It doesn't really have a place in a PCT.
3. I would increase the Nolvadex to 20mg daily and start that after the 2 weeks of HCG.
4. You may want to consider adding in Clomid at 50mg. Same time as the Nolvadex
5. Are you planning to get right back on cycle? It may be easier in the future to just do a cruise phase.

Also, get blood work after the PCT and a few months after (if you don't hop right back on) to determine if the PCT was effective.

 

[Boykinben82]

Welcome.

 

[Astro95]

First thing you should do is stop following that guys advice, he’s gonna get you hurt. All you need for a first cycle is testosterone, but before you go taking anything. Research and ask the questions. I know you looked for advice with instagram guy, but sorry to say he’s an idiot.

1st thing I’d do is drop the Proviron. 2nd would be up the nolvadex to 40mg a day for first 2 weeks, then taper down to 20mg a day for the last 2 weeks. 3rd get bloodwork.

HCG dosages seemed unclear.

 

[Astro95]

You also ran boldenone and Deca which are compounds that linger for a while. PCT starts once everything starts clearing your system. Definitely not within a week with that cycle. Might need someone more knowledgeable to jump on this and give their input. I don’t see any AI throughout the cycle. Was any taken? I’d be quick on the bloodwork, cycle looks pretty jacked up to me.

 

[Boykinben82]

Nothing this guy told you makes any sense. He is clearly an idiot. I hope you didn’t end up with gyno and any person who knows what they are talking about would have told you test only first. Plus Tren A once a week makes zero sense. Anyways I really hope you got blood work before and you are getting some after. You are in a much better place for real advise that is safer and will get better long term gains.

 

[Astro95]

Nothing this guy told you makes any sense. He is clearly an idiot. I hope you didn’t end up with gyno and any person who knows what they are talking about would have told you test only first. Plus Tren A once a week makes zero sense. Anyways I really hope you got blood work before and you are getting some after. You are in a much better place for real advise. Did you Atleast get results?

3 19 nors on a first cycle, once a week pinning, sust and test cyp, tren Ace, Dbol for 10 weeks? Jesus, I’m surprised his concern is his ball size and not his liver or milk coming out of some double Ds

 

[who1]

I agree and I feel the same in terms of gear, that it was too much. Hence have posted the question here to advise me on what should I do.
My target is lean muscle size

finish your pct. tell me how long have been lifting? 3months builds the foundation. get bloods to see where your at. i love bodybuilding so much that i will work with you if you want me to. pm me if your interested then we can talk turkey.

 

[MiSh]

Should of started with test and not jump so fast and build a foundation for yourself


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[ARS89]

I have a few questions...

1. Are you saying you took 3x 5000IU vials for a total of 15000IU in one week? Or are you saying you split 1x 5000IU vial into 3 shots? I would personally run the HCG longer than 1 week.
2. I would drop the Proviron from your PCT. It doesn't really have a place in a PCT.
3. I would increase the Nolvadex to 20mg daily and start that after the 2 weeks of HCG.
4. You may want to consider adding in Clomid at 50mg. Same time as the Nolvadex
5. Are you planning to get right back on cycle? It may be easier in the future to just do a cruise phase.

Also, get blood work after the PCT and a few months after (if you don't hop right back on) to determine if the PCT was effective.

1. I took 1 x 5000 IU vials per week a total of 15000 IU in 3 weeks.
2. I have dropped the Proviron and started taking 100 mg Clomid and 20 mg Nolvadex since yesterday ( Yesterday, I have completed 2 weeks of PCT) given the high gears intake to balance the hormone. Tommorow will take the last shot of HCG of 5000 IU.
What blood work should I get done after the PCT and what values should I compare myself with? They will just be numbers to me with a range next to it indicating if they are high or low in compariosn with the absolute test result value.

I need to take some time off from all the gears IMO, but have come here to seek all of your advice as to what should I do and which gears to continue from.

First thing you should do is stop following that guys advice, he’s gonna get you hurt. All you need for a first cycle is testosterone, but before you go taking anything. Research and ask the questions. I know you looked for advice with instagram guy, but sorry to say he’s an idiot.

1st thing I’d do is drop the Proviron. 2nd would be up the nolvadex to 40mg a day for first 2 weeks, then taper down to 20mg a day for the last 2 weeks. 3rd get bloodwork.

HCG dosages seemed unclear.

Agreed have stopped following him and come here for my rescue

. I started Nolvadex on 20 mg per day yesterday so should I increase it to 40 mg? what about Clomid?

I hope the HCG dosage is clear now, that's my bad couldn't explain it, I guess.

Nothing this guy told you makes any sense. He is clearly an idiot. I hope you didn’t end up with gyno and any person who knows what they are talking about would have told you test only first. Plus Tren A once a week makes zero sense. Anyways I really hope you got blood work before and you are getting some after. You are in a much better place for real advise that is safer and will get better long term gains.

Thankfully don't have any Gyno issues, he kept me on Nolvadex during the cycle as well. Maybe that's the reason didn't get Gyno. Agreed, feel at home being here. Thank you all.

3 19 nors on a first cycle, once a week pinning, sust and test cyp, tren Ace, Dbol for 10 weeks? Jesus, I’m surprised his concern is his ball size and not his liver or milk coming out of some double Ds

Thankfully no Milk lol. The ball size is what I noticed. For the Liver, I am concerned as well. I was on Liv 52 DS throughout the cycle with 3 tablets per day, Not sure how much that would have helped it.

finish your pct. tell me how long have been lifting? 3months builds the foundation. get bloods to see where your at. i love bodybuilding so much that i will work with you if you want me to. pm me if your interested then we can talk turkey.

Thank you WHO1, I have been lifting for the last 2 years and started with gears 3 months ago. I would love to speak with you, will drop you a message now. What types of blood test should I get done?

Should of started with test and not jump so fast and build a foundation for yourself


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I wish I would have found this forum earlier. If I had the knowledge then definitely would have followed what you are recommending considering this is the way to go because clearly I am very green with the gears, and have zero clue about them.

 

[latteguy73]

Welcome! Like everyone already said, that was way too much gear for 1st cycle. I never do more than 6 weeks of oral for any cycle. Usually, they 500mg of test is good enough for the 1st cycle as you’ll see great gains.

As for PCT, drop proviron, add clomid. You might take a bit to recover so might have to do pct for longer, but that’s just me as a lot factors effect recovery.. age, baseline T levels, etc.

Finally, do research!!! I researched in many forums before diving in.

 

[Astro95]

I’d do Nolva 40,40,20,20 and Clomid 50,50,50,50 (each number is a week) if you’re in week 2 of pct just go to that value I guess. Be careful running 100mg of Clomid, it can have some bad sides that high, stick to 50, see how you feel.

 

[zionoir626]

Nice directions to a Train Wreck..I'll pass..
We need a Damage Control Sub..!!
Never Gets Old...
Z...

 

[Papasmurf]

Absolutely agree with @zionoir626 on this one! This is a f’ing disaster! Perfect example of not having a clue and trusting a guy that that knows about as much as the guy that doesn’t have a clue….I just don’t understand with all the information at peoples finger tips these days. Just a little bit of google and research would have led you to know that this was not right for a first cycle. Ok now some advice, because everything I have read is jacked up!!

HCG should have been used at roughly 1000 IU’s a day for 10-14 days and then dropped. Not 5000 once a week for 3 weeks. Not really going to help that much anyhow as you are completely shutdown and then some with all that crap for a first cycle. Obviously no bloodwork before starting this. So yeah it would be worth it to get some done to see the damage. Good news is if you are normally a healthy person then most can be fixed and reversed. I will attach a sample of the test you need to have done, may need to add prolactin also but this is a good start. Get this and come back to share with the folks. Get it done now! And kick that other dude in the nuts or at least blast them on that crap FB place…

Lots of good folks here that can help but you will get your balls busted a little. Take it in stride and learn from this experience. Most are here to help and provide solid advice, it’s up to the person to actually listen….

Good luck bro!!

 

[Boykinben82]

3 19 nors on a first cycle, once a week pinning, sust and test cyp, tren Ace, Dbol for 10 weeks? Jesus, I’m surprised his concern is his ball size and not his liver or milk coming out of some double Ds

It’s such a random very shitty planned cycle. I’m really surprised anyone who apparently has experience, which who really knows, would recommend this to a beginner or anyone for that matter.

 

[Fletcher]

Hello Everyone.

I hope everyone is doing great and working toward accomplishing their target/goal

After reviewing all the feedback from everyone on different posts, I am a bit confused as to whether the cycle or PCT that I had done was it correct to start with. So hence came here for all your advice as to what needs to be done and if I need to correct something today and for the next cycle what should I undertake and do.

I am 33 years old, started training 2 years ago, and 3 months ago wanted to take it to the next level but didn’t have anyone to guide me or show me the path. So saw one champ on Facebook and Instagram, his content was heavily focused on steroid use, and would openly speak about it rather than considering it a taboo and would occasionally conduct live videos and answer queries of people as to what to take and what not to.

So, I approached him and asked him if I could train under him, and he would guide me to the cycle that I could do. He accepted it and made a cycle plan for me which was the following.

Tuesday - 1ml Sustanon plus 1ml Boldenone x 10 weeks (these were 250 mg each so a total of 500 mg on a weekly basis)

Thursday - 1ml Deca plus 1ml Test Cypionate x 10 weeks (these were 250 mg each so a total of 500 mg on a weekly basis)

Saturday - 1 ml Trenacetate x 10 weeks (250 mg)

2 Tablets of Dianabol 10 mg each tablet every day x 5 weeks

4 tablets of Dianabol 10mg each every day x remaining 5 weeks.

I couldn’t handle Trenacetate as my heartbeats were not stable and would feel discomfort, so only continued it for 3 weeks and stopped it as per the instructions. He did say to me that this is quite an unstable steroid we will mix it with another one to make it stable in another cycle. So I continued the whole cycle of 10 weeks as per the above without Trenacetate.

In addition to the above, there was 1 tablet of 10mg Nolvadex and 03 tablets of Liv 52 DS daily.

I did gain some lean muscle and was overall happy with the outcome but the muscle size was not so much.

PCT

After a week of the last dose, I was recommended to start the PCT. Which I am currently on.

Currently have been told to take the following on a weekly basis.

Weekly

HCG – 5,000 IU / Vial x 3 Injections
Weekly 1 injection and only do 3 injections.

I have already taken 02 injections and the last one will be due on Tuesday i.e. 13th Sep.

Daily for the next 4 weeks

1 tablet daily of Nolvadex of 10 mg
2 tablets of Proviron 25mg each daily (These make me lethargic and induce sleep like a baby) not sure why.
2 tablets daily of LIv 52 DS


I did feel my Testical size has reduced and felt but after two weeks of being on PCT, it is regaining back. There is a loss of muscle that I have felt in the last two weeks and I believe the reason for this is being off or the Crash effect as mentioned earlier by someone else on the post.

What is that I should do next in my cycle? I would wait for all of your feedback if the above was too much or something that I need to tailor for my PCT. Worried about the Leydig Cell Desensitization and testicular volume.

Thank you all in advance, please feel free to ask me the question in case I would have missed adding something or if you would need more information on something before you could advise me that I would have skipped.

That protocol is a complete shit show. Smfh.
I hope you haven't damaged your bone density permanently taking nolvadex everyday for 10 weeks.

Pm me, Ill help you.

I have too much going on to get into it all right now. If you pm me I can come back to it later and put you on the right track.

Are there guys who do these dated gym-bro cycles & get results? Yes.
What they are missing is the damage they've done that will haunt them later in life AND what they COULD HAVE gained if they did things right! Minus the long term damage.

 

[ARS89]

That protocol is a complete shit show. Smfh.
I hope you haven't damaged your bone density permanently taking nolvadex everyday for 10 weeks.

Pm me, Ill help you.

I have too much going on to get into it all right now. If you pm me I can come back to it later and put you on the right track.

Are there guys who do these dated gym-bro cycles & get results? Yes.
What they are missing is the damage they've done that will haunt them later in life AND what they COULD HAVE gained if they did things right! Minus the long term damage.

Hi Fletcher,

Appreciate your support, dropped you a PM bro.
Thank you in advance.

 

[Glycomann]

There is a lot of criticism in this thread. Probably due. ARS89, really you should get through this PCT and take a step back. You only have 2 years in the gym, not enough time to really learn how to eat and train in a way that is conducive to a BBing life style. Take your time and get completely off. The first 8 weeks will suck as the AAS wears off and PCT drugs get to doing their thing. The next 8 weeks will still suck somewhat. By the end of the third 8 weeks You should start feeling like your old self and natural gains should resume. Take another 1-2 years to really learn how to train and eat and then think about cycling again. Personally I trained natural for 10 years. My first cycle was 200 mg/w deca and 20 mg/d dianabol for 12 weeks back in the late 80s. I gained 22 lbs and kept 1/2 of that after being off and natural after 6 months. I had learned nutrition and training beforehand but am nothing special genetically. It doesn't take much gear to make a huge jump when everything is in place. So my advice is get off. Get clean and start writing diet and training in a note book. Study those notes and make adjustments as you go to home in on the foods that work for you and the training that works for you. Then when you decide to really take the plunge you will have a system in place that works and the AAS will enhance the results of an already working system.