New 58 year old member

[Pinchecharlie]

Iam hell bent on becoming overly fit once again in my life. I’ve been an athlete and an active old guy but the years seem to have caught up to me.

After a bad automobile accident left me with multiple surgeries and just beat to shit iam feeling ready to at least try fucking hard again.

I have been recovering since dec 24 from the accident. A shoulder surgery, hip replacement and ankle surgery and a bad head injury.

I let myself go and gained more weight than I ever have in my life. Iam a small guy 5 5 150 right this second but was up to 170. I live in the mountains and I started kayaking again and I’ve been doing a kettlebell routine three days a week and also a kayak exercise deal on the pond (I do whitewater on river twice a week).

Iam on week 6 of diet and exercise and feel like iam getting past the aches and pain a little and I wanted to ask a few questions .

Iam wondering if guys like me take gear just to heal up from trauma and age related pain?

I broke my back in 2010 ruptured and extruded two discs and had fusion s1-l5.i was doing ok but never young again but super active in life .

After the wreck I just hurt pretty bad and iam having trouble recovering and I am nervous to go to hard for another injury.

Iam making an appointment with a mens health doctor to do blood work and talk about things that may increase my success but part of me just wants to start medicating myself within reason.

I have a long history in a weight room from college sports and there was a time I put my toe in the power lifting pool but it’s been two decades since I did any serious lifting.

Iam actually excited to try and be over muscled lol. Iam pretty fit-ish for a guy my age but I want more.

Curious if any of you share any of my story or have any advice to give. Sorry long first post ! Thanks Charlie

 

[Meetketchup]

Your plan of getting blood work done is step 1. That will let you know where you stand with almost everything. In the meantime, get into a slight caloric deficit by knowing what your daily maintenance calories are. Find a split that you can be consistent with and push hard, do some consistent cardio. Testosterone shouldn't even be in the picture until you get your blood panel results.

 

[DK1966]

In addition to the blood labs, get the body fat% down below 20%, nutrition and training dialed in. You will be then be primed for gear. The guys that have side effects are the one that start with gear. It's lifestye first.

 

[Pinchecharlie]

Yeah man I’ve been doing the diet thing pretty hard . I’ve lost a lot of weight since I started . From 169 to 150 since December and feeling a a lot better on that front. Iam not sure what my body composition is so maybe I’ll go do a scan thing at the gym and see but I’d guess iam in the high 20% . Kinda skinny fat right now and that sucks. Feel stronger but have all these nagging pains that get exaggerated from exercising.

I know this seems like an uninformed statement but why would a guy do trt if he could do hgh or an anabolic or one of the advertised “stacks” you see on the providers sites? ? My labido is great and I never thought my test was low in any way but ?
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I Just want recovery?of course I don’t understand the science or the body builder methods so that’s why iam here to learn.

I know there’s no magic pill but I’d say they may be kinda magic or no one would be here doing them all. I can put in the work iam no stranger to that but I can’t if iam constantly broken?

A starts a start though so at least iam here. We have friends who are all ready dead so this is a bonus.

 

[Meetketchup]

I know this seems like an uninformed statement but why would a guy do trt if he could do hgh or an anabolic or one of the advertised “stacks” you see on the providers sites? ? My labido is great and I never thought my test was low in any way but ?
.
I Just want recovery?of course I don’t understand the science or the body builder methods so that’s why iam here to learn.

You lose fat and hold/add lean tissue by the following: Nutrition, training, recovery and most importantly, consistency. You dial these in and you don't need anabolics or even high testosterone to go from 30% bodyfat to sub 15% You may have a good to high testosterone level naturally. That is why you find out. If you are low, you add in TRT to bring you mid to high levels that will easily give you the recovery and anabolism needed for you cut. If you can't make gains on that then you have no business doing a cycle.

It goes in steps.

1) Bloods
2) Dial in training, nutrition and recovery
3) Add TRT if deficient/needed
4) Get down to somewhere around 15% bodyfat. There is no magic number.
5) If you can do that and THEN want to try a cycle, THAT is the time. Not now.

High anabolic use carries risk, especially when the above isn't done correctly which most people don't get right. It won't speed up the process much your situation. Anyone can cut without anabolics. Save it for when you want to grow.

You need to crawl before you run. This is your health you are playing with. Ones start down that round...the road won't stop.

 

[Pinchecharlie]

I was more curious how anabolics affect traumatic injuries and tissue repair I guess more than your typical “gains” ie-muscle growth.

For me the interest is managing these injuries and pain relief . I have lived most of my life eating well and exercising etc. I understand the clean living and healthy life approach and I’ve never really been far from it just as an active guy.

I am going traditional right now lol. The kettlebell shit, core stuff and some body weight stuff. Being active.

I just hurt. I Don’t really want to be a body builder just want to understand if these same drugs help re build the body enough to get a head start and some relief.
I get that resistance training is how to get the best results and that started my rabbit hole lol.

I’ll keep reading on here and other places and see if I can make sense of it a little better.

Just because it’s a bit disingenuous , if we were to just eat well and do our exercises right there would be no anabolic steroid forum right? Lol
Thanks for your replies I’ve left a message with the doctor and I’ll see what they say after the blood report.

 

[Meetketchup]

Then look into growth hormone and BPC-157 for pain relief/repair/recovery. Gear isn't going to heal or offer much for what you want to do it for.

 

[Pinchecharlie]

Then gear is really just for muscle fiber growth?

 

[Bigdaddyjak]

Yeah man I’ve been doing the diet thing pretty hard . I’ve lost a lot of weight since I started . From 169 to 150 since December and feeling a a lot better on that front. Iam not sure what my body composition is so maybe I’ll go do a scan thing at the gym and see but I’d guess iam in the high 20% . Kinda skinny fat right now and that sucks. Feel stronger but have all these nagging pains that get exaggerated from exercising.

I know this seems like an uninformed statement but why would a guy do trt if he could do hgh or an anabolic or one of the advertised “stacks” you see on the providers sites? ? My labido is great and I never thought my test was low in any way but ?
.
I Just want recovery?of course I don’t understand the science or the body builder methods so that’s why iam here to learn.

I know there’s no magic pill but I’d say they may be kinda magic or no one would be here doing them all. I can put in the work iam no stranger to that but I can’t if iam constantly broken?

A starts a start though so at least iam here. We have friends who are all ready dead so this is a bonus.

Taking some gear is not gonna heal your injuries !

 

[Pinchecharlie]

I suppose there is a symbiotic relationship between muscle growth and soft tissue health? lol. I dunno. Just curious why so many older guys use this stuff if it doesn’t help and they do less than me as far as being athletic and active . Even just on this particular forum (veterans over 40) there are posts about stacks and anavar and whatnot?

I won’t argue with anyone though until I understand. I even boat with a fat old guy who does trt and he’s a fat dope lol! Cheers sorry for all the dumb questions and comments! I’ll get educated and iam not going to start doing unnecessary things just for fun even thinking jacked up looks like fun kinda lol! Just watch few episodes of the tren twins lol

 

[Pinchecharlie]

Just to beat a dead horse. I know that gear will not heal my injuries. I was hoping to have a un natural ability to recover from exercise in hopes it would help me manage my injuries (that have healed so far the best they can) and therin manage pain? I can not heal any better from a shoulder surgery than iam now (according to surgeon) or my fissions or hip ankle . Just thought maybe adding strength and muscle might help. Better men than me have taken long drives in the garage over less pain. I got this . Just want to cheat is all. Fuck I hear fat guys drinking beer and eating shit food tell me how unhealthy and dangerous drugs are. Seems safer to me.

 

[Bando]

I was more curious how anabolics affect traumatic injuries and tissue repair I guess more than your typical “gains” ie-muscle growth.

For me the interest is managing these injuries and pain relief . I have lived most of my life eating well and exercising etc. I understand the clean living and healthy life approach and I’ve never really been far from it just as an active guy.

I am going traditional right now lol. The kettlebell shit, core stuff and some body weight stuff. Being active.

I just hurt. I Don’t really want to be a body builder just want to understand if these same drugs help re build the body enough to get a head start and some relief.
I get that resistance training is how to get the best results and that started my rabbit hole lol.

I’ll keep reading on here and other places and see if I can make sense of it a little better.

Just because it’s a bit disingenuous , if we were to just eat well and do our exercises right there would be no anabolic steroid forum right? Lol
Thanks for your replies I’ve left a message with the doctor and I’ll see what they say after the blood report.

I get you, man. I’d be the same way. I’m 46. These guys are just being overly cautious with you because lately the theme on many boards like this has been “harm reduction”. They are just trying to help you with a very non aggressive approach. Personally, I’m a little more of an envelope pusher.

But let’s talk about what you are wanting to hear….. yeah, hormone optimization would help you reach your goals faster than doing it the old fashioned way like some have suggested for you. And I’d go that route too at your age. I mean, why wait years for something you can have in months if you can still get there safely at our age?

The only thing I’d suggest is to get your body fat under about 14% before you ramped up hormones beyond a TRT dose. Between 10 and 12% BF is ideal. In that aspect, I’d agree with the other guys. But once my BF% was primed then I’d be ready to raise testosterone dose and even add some other compounds.

Idk your exact situation but if it were me I’d hop on TRT, get on a glp like Tirz or Reta and add some HGH daily. I’d do that immediately after getting your bloodwork done assuming it’s good to go. Then I’d ride those 3 drugs to Lean City! Get good and lean and take a little while to enjoy that new body. Then I’d start adding a few other anabolic compounds and add some muscle to my newly lean physique.

Obviously I’m no doctor. But I’m almost 2 decades into this lifestyle and have learned what works for me. With my knowledge and experience based off my experiences and results, the above paragraphs are what I would do if I were you. Good luck!

 

[Pinchecharlie]

Thanks man I appreciate it. I kinda feel the same way like I got a limited time to get this done. Iam also talking about a much more conservative approach than the tren twins.

I should be completely forthright and honest since you guys actually have experience with all these things in real world settings.

Iam on week three of a super low dose of Reta and wolverine stack .

It’s shocking how well it works (Reta) but it dies have annoying sides for me. The weight loss is real though for me.

Iam not sure if the wolverine stack is doing anything but iam trying it any way. I should say I just don’t wake up and everything is better lol.

So I like your plan and I’ll see how the doctors visit goes. I have done blood work every year annually through work and there’s never been anything to it from my doctors perspective but I’ll make sure they know what iam doing and why and I do blood on Thursday so we shall see . Iam betting they will be upset about my plan lol.

dunno know why but my doctor won’t even prescribe me anything at all. Just a boot strap guy deal with it hot yoga bulllshit lol

I will live a long life filled with adventures and I will do the best I can regardless of this particular journey but if I can make it better and a little easier I feel like I should . So thank you for sharing and please know iam not stupid and iam not interested in an extreme dangerous protocol. Just feel like I earned it all these years to cheat a little.

 

[Glycomann]

Yeah man I’ve been doing the diet thing pretty hard . I’ve lost a lot of weight since I started . From 169 to 150 since December and feeling a a lot better on that front. Iam not sure what my body composition is so maybe I’ll go do a scan thing at the gym and see but I’d guess iam in the high 20% . Kinda skinny fat right now and that sucks. Feel stronger but have all these nagging pains that get exaggerated from exercising.

I know this seems like an uninformed statement but why would a guy do trt if he could do hgh or an anabolic or one of the advertised “stacks” you see on the providers sites? ? My labido is great and I never thought my test was low in any way but ?
.
I Just want recovery?of course I don’t understand the science or the body builder methods so that’s why iam here to learn.

I know there’s no magic pill but I’d say they may be kinda magic or no one would be here doing them all. I can put in the work iam no stranger to that but I can’t if iam constantly broken?

A starts a start though so at least iam here. We have friends who are all ready dead so this is a bonus.

Get checked out by the MD and see where you are. I played sports and lifted weights all my life. I played with anabolics from 27 to 26 and then from 46 to now. Anabolics tend to cause more joint pain and issues over time. I always took time off between cycles and my joints would recover. I'm a few (7) years older than you. My joints are arthritic. If I were you, and I don't really know all of your story, I would get checked out. If your test is low it would probably benefit you to get on TRT but stay in high normal range. A replacement dose of GH might be useful also especially if your IGF-1 tests at the low end. I would start there. Get dialed in and do that for a year before you think about anything else. You will put on lean mass from that alone without compromising your joints further from a misaligned endocrine system. I can go into that but most don't listen. Good luck.

 

[Pinchecharlie]

That’s the plan as of now. Iam seeing a “men’s health” guy this week and unfortunately I can’t get into my MD until September but I made the appointment. I asked for a full blood screening but I do not know how to read one lol and I feel like the men’s health clinic is in it to make money prescribing testosterone?

So maybe I’ll have thr results reviewed here and see what people say. I think I remember there’s a blood work forum?

Unfortunately I do have arthritis. It’s in my spine pretty good and the shoulder surgeon said he worked on it on my shoulder also so iam assuming it’s in all ny joints.

I need less joint pain not more so of that is a side then I definitely would need there to be a happy ending of some sort to make it worth it.

 

[Glycomann]

That’s the plan as of now. Iam seeing a “men’s health” guy this week and unfortunately I can’t get into my MD until September but I made the appointment. I asked for a full blood screening but I do not know how to read one lol and I feel like the men’s health clinic is in it to make money prescribing testosterone?

So maybe I’ll have thr results reviewed here and see what people say. I think I remember there’s a blood work forum?

Unfortunately I do have arthritis. It’s in my spine pretty good and the shoulder surgeon said he worked on it on my shoulder also so iam assuming it’s in all ny joints.

I need less joint pain not more so of that is a side then I definitely would need there to be a happy ending of some sort to make it worth it.

I worked in medical lab for years and was registered with the
American Society of Clinical Pathologists for years before changing professions. I can help with blood work.

 

[George212]

In addition to the blood labs, get the body fat% down below 20%, nutrition and training dialed in. You will be then be primed for gear. The guys that have side effects are the one that start with gear. It's lifestye first.

Hey there guys I’m gonna say I am also 58 years old ! I’m just gonna say I been doing trt for like 3/5 years now it’s ok I have used other brands done 1-2 ml per week it was ok but the higher the quality and also the concentration is best vi got stuck with some stuff I don’t know was high pip
And I have a bulging disc and a herniated disc as well idk if I should get surgery on it it not it’s not hurting me tg I don’t dead lift 500 either! I’m a bit smarter than that! I just want real good sources I have known others who were good like moss but they don’t have any in stock anymore idk what is up they say importing is tough bs ! My goal is just to bench press 325 10-15 reps for 3 sets ! Tops to get 425 and b done ! I am not going to try anadrol tren or anything like that yet if Arnold was able to bench 600 back then I don’t do short cuts like most other idiots are doing then they get heart failure! So what’s your plan for this matter? Ok thanks guys !

 

[Knarfster]

I was more curious how anabolics affect traumatic injuries and tissue repair I guess more than your typical “gains” ie-muscle growth.

For me the interest is managing these injuries and pain relief . I have lived most of my life eating well and exercising etc. I understand the clean living and healthy life approach and I’ve never really been far from it just as an active guy.

I am going traditional right now lol. The kettlebell shit, core stuff and some body weight stuff. Being active.

I just hurt. I Don’t really want to be a body builder just want to understand if these same drugs help re build the body enough to get a head start and some relief.
I get that resistance training is how to get the best results and that started my rabbit hole lol.

I’ll keep reading on here and other places and see if I can make sense of it a little better.

Just because it’s a bit disingenuous , if we were to just eat well and do our exercises right there would be no anabolic steroid forum right? Lol
Thanks for your replies I’ve left a message with the doctor and I’ll see what they say after the blood report.

For healing I started with peptides. Specifically BPC-157 and TB-500. 1mg of each everyday until my shoulder was healed. I was also on 100mg/week TRT.

 

[Glycomann]

Hey there guys I’m gonna say I am also 58 years old ! I’m just gonna say I been doing trt for like 3/5 years now it’s ok I have used other brands done 1-2 ml per week it was ok but the higher the quality and also the concentration is best vi got stuck with some stuff I don’t know was high pip
And I have a bulging disc and a herniated disc as well idk if I should get surgery on it it not it’s not hurting me tg I don’t dead lift 500 either! I’m a bit smarter than that! I just want real good sources I have known others who were good like moss but they don’t have any in stock anymore idk what is up they say importing is tough bs ! My goal is just to bench press 325 10-15 reps for 3 sets ! Tops to get 425 and b done ! I am not going to try anadrol tren or anything like that yet if Arnold was able to bench 600 back then I don’t do short cuts like most other idiots are doing then they get heart failure! So what’s your plan for this matter? Ok thanks guys !

You should start your own thread rather than hijack this one.

 

[Pinchecharlie]

Curious if you think the peptides helped in the healing process? Iam doing .5 of each now but only on week two.

 

[George212]

You should start your own thread rather than hijack this one.

Oh sorry about that since I’m new here I wasn’t trying to hijack it! Thanks