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Muscle soreness: friend or enemy?

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Muscle soreness: friend or enemy?

Muscle soreness: friend or enemy?​


IS MUSCLE SORENESS THE DAY(S) AFTER A WORKOUT AN INDICATOR OF A GOOD WORKOUT?

It sounds like a simple question, but the answer can be a little tricky. Generally speaking, no, being SORE after a workout doesn't necessarily mean it was an effective workout. And also generally speaking, no, you don't have to get really sore to build muscle either.



BUT AS MOST THINGS IN LIFE, THERE'RE DIFFERENT SHADES...

As many experienced coaches have pointed out, there are several levels of soreness. You can feel a little tight or swollen and experience what can be defined an "enhanced feeling" in the worked muscles. You definitely know what you trained the previous day, but you're not really hurting.



On the other end of the spectrum, you can find yourself cursing with every stroke of your toothbrush after a tough chest workout. That's severe soreness. And you can even feel so sore that you can't train – that's extreme soreness and a sign that you messed up since that one workout has interfered with several of the following workouts.



You should probably experience that "enhanced feeling" a day or two after a tough workout, but you don't necessarily have to.

What all the "soreness is bad" coaches are referring to is that debilitating soreness, which is a sign you may have taken things a little too fast or too far (too many sets/reps, or too heavy a load, eccessive cheating)

HERE COMES ANOTHER BIG BUT...

BUT if you tried a brand new exercise you're absolutely not used to, a totally different set/rep scheme, and/or a new tempo (like lowering a weight very slowly), you should probably expect some level of soreness. If you don't feel something, then you probably sandbagged it. Or maybe you haven't yet established a good mind-muscle connection with the new exercise or method.



What the "soreness is bad" coaches are also saying is that you shouldn't be chasing soreness i.e. trying your hardest to get sore because you think it's the only sign of a productive workout. That's silly and potentially dangerous when It comes ti injuries.



That often leads to switching exercises too often. This way you never really get to progressively overload the exercise, because the moment the new movement stops making you sore, you switch to something else that makes you hurt again. That's a mistake. Some true experts have even stated that when initial soreness stops, the real progress can actually begin.



And let's not forget that your diet can influence how sore you get from training. If you've cut your calories and carbs down low, a familiar workout may get you sore again because you lack your usual nourishment. But again, you're probably running in circles and not growing from it given the caloric deficit.



THE BEST SIGN OF PROGRESS... IS PROGRESS!

See how tricky it can be? So the lesson is to expect some "enhanced feeling" or mild soreness, especially after you try something new, but don't train just with the aim to get sore.



If you do have some moderate to severe soreness, it's also a good idea to train that muscle again the next day. Nothing hard AT ALL just do a couple of light sets and get a mild pump in the sore muscles(decades ago we used to call these "feeding sets"). This can accelerate recovery and maybe even lead to more muscle growth.



Finally, remember that the best sign of progress is ...progress. After a few weeks or months, are you lifting heavier, doing more reps with the same weight, or "owning" a weight that used to beat you to death? Are you bigger without being fatter?



Then you've progressed, whether you felt sore or not. Always focus on what actually matters.

You're looking for bigger and stronger muscles, not a Trophy for self-harm!
 
I actually sort of enjoy the normal muscle soreness after a workout and think it generally corresponds to strength gains, though of course that is anecdotal.

The important distinction to draw is between soreness of the actual muscle and that weird, deep-down pain of tendons or joints that we get especially when older. I think that is a matter of tendons and joints getting inflamed and worn out and does not help at all. It is also a tremendous killer of the will to exercise…
 
Unfortunately, soreness isn't an indicator of much, which is completely contrary to what all of us believed back in the day.
Not saying you are wrong but could you elaborate?
To me, it seems self-explanatory that if I work out, then feel sore, then get stronger the following week, that means the process of tiring out my muscle and getting it sore is what caused the healing that made it stronger….
 
Not saying you are wrong but could you elaborate?
To me, it seems self-explanatory that if I work out, then feel sore, then get stronger the following week, that means the process of tiring out my muscle and getting it sore is what caused the healing that made it stronger….
We all thought the highlighted part above. However, we have decades of studies and real-world (bro) experience showing "soreness" is not an indicator of hypertrophy and/or strength. It's more of an adaptation to a new stimulus or extreme damage. Example: You first do an exercise you've never done. Chances are you will be sore because it's a new stimulus and your body is not used to it. The flip side, you do that for a few weeks, you adapt to the movement, and you no longer get sore or as sore, but progressive overload is occurring in weights and reps with little to no soreness. You see this in the real world all the time.

The way I view it after all these years if you are always severely sore, cut back some volume and if you never get sore, add some volume. Kind of like a very basic gauge.
 
Not saying you are wrong but could you elaborate?
To me, it seems self-explanatory that if I work out, then feel sore, then get stronger the following week, that means the process of tiring out my muscle and getting it sore is what caused the healing that made it stronger….
I get sore as fuck training on trt, yet my volume is cut back dramatically from when I’m on gear. When I’m on gear, volume is higher, and I often don’t get crazy sore.

This does not mean I’m growing more muscle on trt.
 
I get sore as fuck training on trt, yet my volume is cut back dramatically from when I’m on gear. When I’m on gear, volume is higher, and I often don’t get crazy sore.

This does not mean I’m growing more muscle on trt.
I'm glad I read this. I'm so fucking sore right now
 
I get sore as fuck training on trt, yet my volume is cut back dramatically from when I’m on gear. When I’m on gear, volume is higher, and I often don’t get crazy sore.

This does not mean I’m growing more muscle on trt.
I guess that does makes sense, but that is a little like comparing apples and oranges — dudes will gain muscle with higher testosterone even without lifting weights.

I was always taught that stressing the muscle by weightlifting creates micro tears and all that (causing soreness) which in turn makes the muscle grow when it heals. It makes intuitive sense. Especially since I get more sore when I work out harder.

I’m open to change my mind but would need to see some data on this, otherwise it’s tough to go against the common sense rationale…
 
We all thought the highlighted part above. However, we have decades of studies and real-world (bro) experience showing "soreness" is not an indicator of hypertrophy and/or strength. It's more of an adaptation to a new stimulus or extreme damage. Example: You first do an exercise you've never done. Chances are you will be sore because it's a new stimulus and your body is not used to it. The flip side, you do that for a few weeks, you adapt to the movement, and you no longer get sore or as sore, but progressive overload is occurring in weights and reps with little to no soreness. You see this in the real world all the time.

The way I view it after all these years if you are always severely sore, cut back some volume and if you never get sore, add some volume. Kind of like a very basic gauge.
I can see your point in regard to soreness when you first start training after a break, since that does ease as you get back into it and get stronger without getting as sore.

I guess I can agree that the correlation is not necessarily more soreness=more strength gains, as it’s definitely more nuanced than that. Still, i think it must have some role in the whole scheme of things.

After all, that soreness after your first workout is indicative of muscles working and thus getting stronger. If you didn’t work out hard enough to get sore after that first workout, I have a hard time seeing it having as much effect.

Again, not claiming what you’re saying is wrong, but I would need to see the actual studies to wrap my head around it. I guess I should google it, lol
 
I guess that does makes sense, but that is a little like comparing apples and oranges — dudes will gain muscle with higher testosterone even without lifting weights.

I was always taught that stressing the muscle by weightlifting creates micro tears and all that (causing soreness) which in turn makes the muscle grow when it heals. It makes intuitive sense. Especially since I get more sore when I work out harder.

I’m open to change my mind but would need to see some data on this, otherwise it’s tough to go against the common sense rationale…
Mechanical tension is the primary driver for muscular hypertrophy. A google search would pull up dozens and dozens of articles from the past decade or two on this topic.

The microtear theory has been disproven consistently.
 
Mechanical tension is the primary driver for muscular hypertrophy. A google search would pull up dozens and dozens of articles from the past decade or two on this topic.

The microtear theory has been disproven consistently.
But what if I prefer to live in the past?

Jk, I will check it out.

By mechanical tension, what exactly do you mean? I assume it is the resistance caused by forcing muscles and tendons to contend with lifting ever-heavier weight?
 
I’ve started looking into this and it is really interesting. I am glad I came across this thread.

For years I have worried whenever I wasn’t sufficiently sore after a workout!
 

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